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Apple's widely expected 5.8-inch iPhone with an edge-to-edge OLED display will feature a front-facing 3D laser scanner for facial recognition, corroborating previous rumors, according to JPMorgan analyst Rod Hall.

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Hall said the scanner will replace Touch ID on the so-called iPhone 8, as Apple plans to remove the Home button to allow for the edge-to-edge display. His research note claims the so-called iPhone 7s and iPhone 7s Plus could also have a 3D laser scanner based on increased volume of the module within Apple's supply chain.

The scanner is said to add $10 to $15 per module to the iPhone 8's bill of materials, which coupled with the OLED display, glass casing, and other increased production costs, could make its retail price up to $100 more expensive than it would be without those features, if Apple looks to maintain a similar profit margin.

The increased costs are in line with a recent report claiming the iPhone 8 could cost upwards of $1,000 in the United States.

Hall believes the switch to facial recognition will help alleviate consumer frustration when Touch ID does not work under wet conditions. He added that facial recognition will potentially be more secure than Touch ID, which could increase Apple Pay adoption among banks and merchants.

The research note said the 3D laser scanner could eventually be used for other purposes, such as augmented reality, but likely not until 2018 at the earliest.He also believes that Apple is likely to eventually open up a 3D scanning API to developers, who could use it to do "everything from determining your shoe size for online orders to helping make sure you are properly fitted on your bike."

Hall expects a strong iPhone 8 replacement cycle later this year, and he said an announcement about the product is possible as early as WWDC 2017, which kicks off June 5. Apple has not made any iPhone hardware announcements at WWDC since 2010, so treat this claim with a proverbial grain of salt for now.

Earlier this week, KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said while it is "still early to examine hardware support for Apple Pay," he believes the new 5.8-inch iPhone will feature "other biometric technologies that replace the current fingerprint recognition technology," lending credence to Touch ID's removal.

Kuo had previously said that iris or facial recognition could initially complement Touch ID if Apple faced technological barriers, while Cowen and Company analyst Timothy Arcuri noted that facial recognition could either replace Touch ID or augment its functionality to create a two-factor verification system.

Other rumors have suggested that Apple will embed Touch ID underneath the display as technologically possible.

Article Link: iPhone 8 Expected to Have 3D Facial Recognition Instead of Touch ID
[doublepost=1487366441][/doublepost]OK...so if the new phone could be set up to open up when it recognizes your face, could the FBI simply hold the phone up to the dead or knocked out person and open the phone? Creepy.

What if someone took a hi res picture of you, and then stole our phone?

Personally I'm waiting until there is definitive DNA sampling security before I trust TOO much to my phone! :)

Mark
 
Just curious, how did your phone scanner work in the dark?

I use my iPhone at night or in a dimly lit room all the time and if the face recognition will not work there than that is not good.

Most face scanners have an infra red blaster and receiver, so if it's dark it can light your face itself. The Xbox Kinect is a good example of this. If it uses lasers it'd be a similar concept, it shoots out lasers at your face and they bounce back into the receiver. (I'm guessing laser would be more accurate and work in more conditions/distance than infra red.)
 
Scanner in my 950XL, had in my Note 7. It's aggravating to use. Fingerprint is loads faster and easier. Y'all will see.

Yes I know "Apple will do it better" but the concept itself is pretty janky IMO.

Agreed - if it does have an iris scanner, it will surely be as well as touch ID, that you can maybe have the option of using to view particularly stuff like online banking or other financial stuff.

It just wouldn't make sense to replace touch ID completely, because an iris scanner, no matter how well implemented, still won't be able to be faster than touch ID. So in that sense it would be step backwards.
 
I use 3D Touch all the time every day.

That's good, I wish I found more use for it. I think it's really good for a small group of people, and completely useless for the vast majority of people.

I'm not about to go modifying my phone use just to take advantage of something I normally wouldn't use. I still like long pressing better, it just feels more natural. That's not how it works though. Putting pressure on my phone screen just doesn't feel right. Just my 2 cents.
 
First they get my fingerprint, then they get my a 3D image of my face, next they get my DNA and can start cloning me. All for extra security... oh and little clones of me can buy more iPhones :).

If you actually know anything about iOS you would know that they don't have your fingerprints. But hey it's macrumors, let's make a stupid comment because why not
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That's good, I wish I found more use for it. I think it's really good for a small group of people, and completely useless for the vast majority of people.

I'm not about to go modifying my phone use just to take advantage of something I normally wouldn't use. I still like long pressing better, it just feels more natural. That's not how it works though. Putting pressure on my phone screen just doesn't feel right. Just my 2 cents.

Which is why more than 80% of Touch ID devices have it turned on. Your 2 cents are useless
 
Oh, come on. Iris identification AND Touch ID? I can see that security is needed but - is this harboring the nuclear launch codes? Access to our hospital's cyclotron facility is restricted by an iris scan - but the phone will be more secure than that? Its getting ridiculous.
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Just curious, how did your phone scanner work in the dark?

I use my iPhone at night or in a dimly lit room all the time and if the face recognition will not work there than that is not good.

How will it work with people wearing glasses? In the morning I look at the phone without the glasses but during the day with... Samew is for the Iris scanning... (see above)
 
do they realize that not everyone has their phone directly up to their face when they normally unlock?

because of touch id you just reach your phone out and unlock it... it could even be behind your freaking back

now we're going to have to take our phones up to our faces and make sure we're not wearing a scarf or a hat?
 
do they realize that not everyone has their phone directly up to their face when they normally unlock?

because of touch id you just reach your phone out and unlock it... it could even be behind your freaking back

now we're going to have to take our phones up to our faces and make sure we're not wearing a scarf or a hat?

No, touchid wil be still there, just on the back of the iphone , that is my guess anyway, so it can still be used for apple pay, without having to look at your phone. The facial recognition will be there for unlocking the iphone when you hold it in front of you.
 
Replacing? COMPLETELY False.

In Canada it took nearly 2 full years (if I remember correctly) for us to get Apple Pay due to negotiations of percentages Apple & banks want per transaction, and questioning whether or not TouchID is safe.

I'm sure Apple doesn't want to stop current negotiations with other banking institutions, let alone sever the current business by replacing a technology that at this point is one of the best in implementation.

On my 7+ I'm still shocked how well it's progressed over the years.
 
replacing touchID? No. In addition? Maybe.
(possibly a stupid question: how would it work in extremely low light conditions/darkness ?)
Hi!
On November 24, 2013, Apple Inc. confirmed the purchase of PrimeSense company for $360 million.
PrimeSense has developed a system that uses an infrared projector and infrared camera and a special microchip to track the movement of objects and individuals in three dimensions. The system can interpret specific gestures, making completely hands-free control of electronic devices a reality. for ex. Microsoft Kinect based on this sensor.
thus sensor has own projector and no need external light
smth. intrest - http://appleinsider.com/articles/14...se-3d-tech-hinted-at-by-new-itseez3d-ipad-app

several yrs ago intel annonced Realsense 3D sensor whith same functions
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/realsense-overview.html

on attached picture your can see my face in 3d, scanned in the light from monitor only ;)templ_realsense_mini.jpg

best regards,
PG
 
they will not remove touchid
scarf
hospital masks
religious veil
dust masks
resperaters
ski masks
bandages on face due to injury or surgery
think people.
 
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