That might be true. But the difference is I can still use them. You cannot.![]()
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201593
I sure can. You can still manually install them following the instructions at the bottom of this link.
That might be true. But the difference is I can still use them. You cannot.![]()
Given that 8 is quite similar to 7 it seems it would have been more consistent and made more sense for it to work like 7. The X is differen enough where it could make more sense to make that kind of a change. But even there the old (iPhone 7) method could still work just fine, so the rationale for the whole change overall is still kind of questionable it would seem.No, you are not making sense and it isn’t worth trying to explain to you if you cannot understand the logic behind Apple decision to leave the reset function on older phones the same but to change it on newer phones going forward. It really is not that hard to understand.
Given that 8 is quite similar to 7 it seems it would have been more consistent and made more sense for it to work like 7. The X is differen enough where it could make more sense to make that kind of a change.
Well, even with that, seems like the same method used for iPhone 7 would work just fine with 8 or X, so the rationale behind the change is still unclear (short of it just being simply "just because" type of thing).Like I said, it is a move going forward on all iPhones Apple will make. So no matter how similar the 8 is to the 7, because of the new principle they must change it to have uniformity. Apple also probably isn’t done with that design, next year might have 2 tiers of iPhones, one that looks similar to the 8 and the other to the X so it would not make sense to be making new phones every year and one model reset is different from the other model. To be consistent, going forward starting with the 8 and X they have to change it.
Well, even with that, seems like the same method used for iPhone 7 would work just fine with 8 or X, so the rationale behind the change is still unclear (short of it just being simply "just because" type of thing).
Not always at all. For example, there was fairly good rationale that was understood for the iPhone 7 change when it came to the method to reset.The reason to us will always be unknown because we don’t know Apple product roadmap and how their designs will change. I suspect the reason they change this on both new iPhones and going forward, has something to do with a future design change. Perhaps similar to the iPhone 7 that lacks a physical home button which is the reason we cannot use it to hard restart the phone. The future iPhones may lack physical buttons on the side prohibiting us from using the current method on the iPhone 7 that we use for hard restarts. This is the most logical explanation I can come up with. But then again Apple has people way smarter than us consumers working for them.
Not always at all. For example, there was fairly good rationale that was understood for the iPhone 7 change when it came to the method to reset.
And sure that there are smart people all over, but that doesn't change being curious as to reasons behind something (nor that those decisions couldn't be off or even bad in some way, realistically speaking).
This is really bad in my opinion, Siri and SOS should not be dedicated to the volume buttons. I can understand the volume buttons being used to force start or taking a picture or screenshot but there adding too many functions to the volume buttons.
This is my question. Same physical buttons so why the change?Pressing the sleep/wake button 5 times rapidly activates SOS on the 7 Plus.
The iPhone 7 and 8 have the same physical layout so why have they broken consistency?
I did read your post. In the beginning you mentioned that the reason to us will always be unknown. And ended on Apple having people who are smarter than consumers.You didn’t read my post properly. You must have missed where I referenced the iPhone 7 lack of a physical home button being the reason we cannot use it to hard restart. No ones curiosity was in question here, I was providing a logical explanation for why Apple may have done this. Am I right with my assumption? I have no idea. Please re-read my post.
I did read your post. In the beginning you mentioned that the reason to us will always be unknown. And ended on Apple having people who are smarter than consumers.
As for the potential reasoning that you mentioned, sure that might have some play in it all, but if that's in the future then it doesn't seem like it would have impact on the latest line that isn't affected by it. I guess people are hoping for a more approachable potential explanation (similar to iPhone 7, for example).
Why would a future release affect the existing line? They could have similarly made iPhone 7 have this new restart too when it was released because a future iPhone (like 8 and X) would have it. It's a theory, sure, but one that just basically says nothing more beyond that Apple probably knows what they are doing and doesn't have that much going for it aside from no other better theories being out there.That reason their looking for will not be known until some future release iPhone. When I said it will always be unknown this is what I meant.
Why not? We all know we're just killing time until the X or as I plan to call it, iPhone 10, arrives.Launch day of brand new state of the art iPhone 8 and we're already talking about DFU mode & hard resets. Pity.
As in things that were said since iOS 7 days at least, if not even way earlier back in iPod announcement days when Apple was deemed to be doomed by many for simply coming out with yet another MP3 player. And yet here we are...couple more useless changes like this and i'm selling all my shares.
[doublepost=1506302590][/doublepost]this is the sort of changes you see when products are designed by committee and everyone's opinion matters in the meetings... the beginning of the end of greatness.
This is quite the problematic launch.
Good thing The Ten wasn't launched concurrently. It probably would have added even more headaches for Apple, USA.
I had to checked while in the AT&T store the salesman kept talking about the 'X', the 'X', when apple wants it to be known as the Ten. That's a missed Mark, as well.
On one hand, I can see your point, on the other, I remember a huge number of people ten years ago who were absolutely certain that virtual keyboards were the devil's tool and would never work, or be as quick as hardware keyboards, and were just a fad. Look how that turned out. Apple is tasked with finding button combinations for a few things (like SOS and hard restart) that are possible to do while being nearly impossible to do accidentally. There was nothing intuitive about "hold side button and home for 10 seconds" to power off, nor about using the same combination for a split second to get a screen shot. The new ways aren't worse, just different (and they had legit reasons for changing them). We'll adapt, and in a few months it won't be a big deal.
As in things that were said since iOS 7 days at least, if not even way earlier back in iPod announcement days when Apple was deemed to be doomed by many for simply coming out with yet another MP3 player. And yet here we are...
Like I said, it is a move going forward on all iPhones Apple will make. So no matter how similar the 8 is to the 7, because of the new principle they must change it to have uniformity. Apple also probably isn’t done with that design, next year might have 2 tiers of iPhones, one that looks similar to the 8 and the other to the X so it would not make sense to be making new phones every year and one model reset is different from the other model. To be consistent, going forward starting with the 8 and X they have to change it.
I love people who whine about ‘why something is the way it is’ but don’t actually read the article that that clearly explains the reason why:What the...?
What was wrong with pressing the side button and volume button simultaneously?
Ridiculous combination.
Why would a future release affect the existing line? They could have similarly made iPhone 7 have this new restart too when it was released because a future iPhone (like 8 and X) would have it. It's a theory, sure, but one that just basically says nothing more beyond that Apple probably knows what they are doing and doesn't have that much going for it aside from no other better theories being out there.
Uniformity ? Between idevices, MacBooks and desktops the opposite is happening. Between iPads, keyboards differ....actually ....its quiet a mess.... all round. I just do not see uniformity in their approach, the opposite actually, throw stuff at a wall and see what sticks . And in most cases i need an adapter to use the same apple accessory between an idevice , laptop and desktop.... 3 adapters actually....
OK, but why is SOS then different on iPhone 8 and X when it can work the same way that it does on iPhone 7 (and earlier phones) and this not interfere with the reset procedure that already existing? As you can see, the underlying question still remains.I love people who whine about ‘why something is the way it is’ but don’t actually read the article that that clearly explains the reason why:
“on iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus, pressing and holding the Side aka Sleep/Wake button and one of the Volume buttons now activates the Emergency SOS feature.“
Case in point.
OK, but why is SOS then different on iPhone 8 and X when it can work the same way that it does on iPhone 7 (and earlier phones) and this not interfere with the reset procedure that already existing? As you can see, the underlying question still remains.