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No, you are not making sense and it isn’t worth trying to explain to you if you cannot understand the logic behind Apple decision to leave the reset function on older phones the same but to change it on newer phones going forward. It really is not that hard to understand.
Given that 8 is quite similar to 7 it seems it would have been more consistent and made more sense for it to work like 7. The X is differen enough where it could make more sense to make that kind of a change. But even there the old (iPhone 7) method could still work just fine, so the rationale for the whole change overall is still kind of questionable it would seem.
 
Given that 8 is quite similar to 7 it seems it would have been more consistent and made more sense for it to work like 7. The X is differen enough where it could make more sense to make that kind of a change.

Like I said, it is a move going forward on all iPhones Apple will make. So no matter how similar the 8 is to the 7, because of the new principle they must change it to have uniformity. Apple also probably isn’t done with that design, next year might have 2 tiers of iPhones, one that looks similar to the 8 and the other to the X so it would not make sense to be making new phones every year and one model reset is different from the other model. To be consistent, going forward starting with the 8 and X they have to change it.
 
Like I said, it is a move going forward on all iPhones Apple will make. So no matter how similar the 8 is to the 7, because of the new principle they must change it to have uniformity. Apple also probably isn’t done with that design, next year might have 2 tiers of iPhones, one that looks similar to the 8 and the other to the X so it would not make sense to be making new phones every year and one model reset is different from the other model. To be consistent, going forward starting with the 8 and X they have to change it.
Well, even with that, seems like the same method used for iPhone 7 would work just fine with 8 or X, so the rationale behind the change is still unclear (short of it just being simply "just because" type of thing).
 
Well, even with that, seems like the same method used for iPhone 7 would work just fine with 8 or X, so the rationale behind the change is still unclear (short of it just being simply "just because" type of thing).

The reason to us will always be unknown because we don’t know Apple product roadmap and how their designs will change. I suspect the reason they change this on both new iPhones and going forward, has something to do with a future design change. Perhaps similar to the iPhone 7 that lacks a physical home button which is the reason we cannot use it to hard restart the phone. The future iPhones may lack physical buttons on the side prohibiting us from using the current method on the iPhone 7 that we use for hard restarts. This is the most logical explanation I can come up with. But then again Apple has people way smarter than us consumers working for them.
 
The reason to us will always be unknown because we don’t know Apple product roadmap and how their designs will change. I suspect the reason they change this on both new iPhones and going forward, has something to do with a future design change. Perhaps similar to the iPhone 7 that lacks a physical home button which is the reason we cannot use it to hard restart the phone. The future iPhones may lack physical buttons on the side prohibiting us from using the current method on the iPhone 7 that we use for hard restarts. This is the most logical explanation I can come up with. But then again Apple has people way smarter than us consumers working for them.
Not always at all. For example, there was fairly good rationale that was understood for the iPhone 7 change when it came to the method to reset.

And sure that there are smart people all over, but that doesn't change being curious as to reasons behind something (nor that those decisions couldn't be off or even bad in some way, realistically speaking).
 
Not always at all. For example, there was fairly good rationale that was understood for the iPhone 7 change when it came to the method to reset.

And sure that there are smart people all over, but that doesn't change being curious as to reasons behind something (nor that those decisions couldn't be off or even bad in some way, realistically speaking).

You didn’t read my post properly. You must have missed where I referenced the iPhone 7 lack of a physical home button being the reason we cannot use it to hard restart. No ones curiosity was in question here, I was providing a logical explanation for why Apple may have done this. Am I right with my assumption? I have no idea. Please re-read my post.
 
You didn’t read my post properly. You must have missed where I referenced the iPhone 7 lack of a physical home button being the reason we cannot use it to hard restart. No ones curiosity was in question here, I was providing a logical explanation for why Apple may have done this. Am I right with my assumption? I have no idea. Please re-read my post.
I did read your post. In the beginning you mentioned that the reason to us will always be unknown. And ended on Apple having people who are smarter than consumers.

As for the potential reasoning that you mentioned, sure that might have some play in it all, but if that's in the future then it doesn't seem like it would have impact on the latest line that isn't affected by it. I guess people are hoping for a more approachable potential explanation (similar to iPhone 7, for example).
 
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I guess it makes sense since now hitting all buttons on the X will disable face ID... though these steps seem much more complicated compared to older phones, and unnecessary for iPhone 8 and 8+ to have this since they have a home button...
 
I did read your post. In the beginning you mentioned that the reason to us will always be unknown. And ended on Apple having people who are smarter than consumers.

As for the potential reasoning that you mentioned, sure that might have some play in it all, but if that's in the future then it doesn't seem like it would have impact on the latest line that isn't affected by it. I guess people are hoping for a more approachable potential explanation (similar to iPhone 7, for example).

That reason their looking for will not be known until some future release iPhone. When I said it will always be unknown this is what I meant.
 
That reason their looking for will not be known until some future release iPhone. When I said it will always be unknown this is what I meant.
Why would a future release affect the existing line? They could have similarly made iPhone 7 have this new restart too when it was released because a future iPhone (like 8 and X) would have it. It's a theory, sure, but one that just basically says nothing more beyond that Apple probably knows what they are doing and doesn't have that much going for it aside from no other better theories being out there.
 
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couple more useless changes like this and i'm selling all my shares.
[doublepost=1506302590][/doublepost]this is the sort of changes you see when products are designed by committee and everyone's opinion matters in the meetings... the beginning of the end of greatness.
 
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couple more useless changes like this and i'm selling all my shares.
[doublepost=1506302590][/doublepost]this is the sort of changes you see when products are designed by committee and everyone's opinion matters in the meetings... the beginning of the end of greatness.
As in things that were said since iOS 7 days at least, if not even way earlier back in iPod announcement days when Apple was deemed to be doomed by many for simply coming out with yet another MP3 player. And yet here we are...
 
This is quite the problematic launch.

Good thing The Ten wasn't launched concurrently. It probably would have added even more headaches for Apple, USA.

I had to checked while in the AT&T store the salesman kept talking about the 'X', the 'X', when apple wants it to be known as the Ten. That's a missed Mark, as well.

Even the so called experts on YouTube are calling it X which is strange considering they would have seen the keynote.

I remember when I was a Mac newb - I would call the MacOS as X till someone helped me.
 
On one hand, I can see your point, on the other, I remember a huge number of people ten years ago who were absolutely certain that virtual keyboards were the devil's tool and would never work, or be as quick as hardware keyboards, and were just a fad. Look how that turned out. Apple is tasked with finding button combinations for a few things (like SOS and hard restart) that are possible to do while being nearly impossible to do accidentally. There was nothing intuitive about "hold side button and home for 10 seconds" to power off, nor about using the same combination for a split second to get a screen shot. The new ways aren't worse, just different (and they had legit reasons for changing them). We'll adapt, and in a few months it won't be a big deal.

And that is fine. The problem is iPhone 6-8 is the same layout, it's not about finding a better method , it's about a consistent user experience. iPhone x using another method , I completely get, the 7 and 8, poor experience. In an emergency , do you now have to identify the iPhone first ....between 6-8 and use the correct sequence? I hope you see the point . SOS mode should be dead simple to initiate
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As in things that were said since iOS 7 days at least, if not even way earlier back in iPod announcement days when Apple was deemed to be doomed by many for simply coming out with yet another MP3 player. And yet here we are...

iPod is doomed..... apple killed it :p
 
Like I said, it is a move going forward on all iPhones Apple will make. So no matter how similar the 8 is to the 7, because of the new principle they must change it to have uniformity. Apple also probably isn’t done with that design, next year might have 2 tiers of iPhones, one that looks similar to the 8 and the other to the X so it would not make sense to be making new phones every year and one model reset is different from the other model. To be consistent, going forward starting with the 8 and X they have to change it.

Uniformity ? Between idevices, MacBooks and desktops the opposite is happening. Between iPads, keyboards differ....actually ....its quiet a mess.... all round. I just do not see uniformity in their approach, the opposite actually, throw stuff at a wall and see what sticks . And in most cases i need an adapter to use the same apple accessory between an idevice , laptop and desktop.... 3 adapters actually....
 
What the...?

What was wrong with pressing the side button and volume button simultaneously?

Ridiculous combination.
I love people who whine about ‘why something is the way it is’ but don’t actually read the article that that clearly explains the reason why:
“on iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus, pressing and holding the Side aka Sleep/Wake button and one of the Volume buttons now activates the Emergency SOS feature.“
Case in point.
 
Why would a future release affect the existing line? They could have similarly made iPhone 7 have this new restart too when it was released because a future iPhone (like 8 and X) would have it. It's a theory, sure, but one that just basically says nothing more beyond that Apple probably knows what they are doing and doesn't have that much going for it aside from no other better theories being out there.

Simply because they want people who are upgrading now to get used to the new format of how things will be done on the newer phones. They could've with the iPhone 7 release, yes, but they didn't for reasons we do not know. All we can do is take educated guess and speculate until it is revealed to us why it was done that way. I have stated the reason why I think they have done it that way, and I'll have to wait and see if my guess was correct, that's all.
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Uniformity ? Between idevices, MacBooks and desktops the opposite is happening. Between iPads, keyboards differ....actually ....its quiet a mess.... all round. I just do not see uniformity in their approach, the opposite actually, throw stuff at a wall and see what sticks . And in most cases i need an adapter to use the same apple accessory between an idevice , laptop and desktop.... 3 adapters actually....

Surely you don't expect all their devices to have the same interface throughout when they have significantly bigger screen such as the iPad when compared to the iPhone. If you read my post and previous posts you would know I am referring to hardware uniformity on iPhones, specifically the side buttons based on what I have written, and what my discussion was about. I'm really not sure how or why you went off to talk about laptops and desktops... You don't like things with their products fine, but when you reply to my posts it would be nice if you could stay on topic of what I'm actually talking about, thanks.
 
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I love people who whine about ‘why something is the way it is’ but don’t actually read the article that that clearly explains the reason why:
“on iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus, pressing and holding the Side aka Sleep/Wake button and one of the Volume buttons now activates the Emergency SOS feature.“
Case in point.
OK, but why is SOS then different on iPhone 8 and X when it can work the same way that it does on iPhone 7 (and earlier phones) and this not interfere with the reset procedure that already existing? As you can see, the underlying question still remains.
 
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OK, but why is SOS then different on iPhone 8 and X when it can work the same way that it does on iPhone 7 (and earlier phones) and this not interfere with the reset procedure that already existing? As you can see, the underlying question still remains.

After thinking some more I strongly believe it has something to do with the fact that people who own the iPhone 7 and previous iPhones already know to do it that way in case of an emergency. Why change it on an existing phone for millions of people who already know or use it that way? If an emergency arises, they wan't to be able to invoke the feature the way they know how. Apple do not want to be in news headlines of activating emergency feature fails... However going forward with newer phones there will be a new way of doing certain things, makes sense.
 
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