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>MS Lumia 640
Uh...what? Dude, almost nobody uses a Windows Phone. You're literally in the minority. So lemme ask you this: Why do you own one? They're ridiculously limited and do almost nothing in terms of apps. I'd rather spend my money on an iPhone or Android device than ever, ever use a Windows Phone. There's more cons than pros as well IMO to owning a Windows Phone. Move away from that Lumia and just switch to a Android device or an iPhone. You'll get more for your money if you do.

And what is it you think I need to do on a PHONE? It's responsive. It runs a decent browser. It texts. It calls other phones. It has a nice news app. It can play Angry Birds and Bejeweled. It can record and play back 1080p video and all manners of audio formats and it can Skype video calls. What else do you think it or any smart phone needs to do, exactly? I use to peruse all kinds of Apps for my Apple iPod Touch units (all 5 generations of them) and I NEVER found anything that I actually used on a regular basis because ultimately I'm still holding a tiny screen with tiny controls and it can't come close to a real computer and the apps mostly SUCK ("More" isn't "better"). Maybe a banking app would be nice, but I'd be terrified to do banking on a device that is routinely hacked (being wireless). Besides, most web sites have web interfaces too.

I'm really curious what you people are doing with these phones that they're worth spending close to $1000 for. I could get a 13" Macbook Pro model for that or a 15" one every other phone. What are you doing on a phone that requires a $1000 model? Give me some examples that I cannot do on my Lumia 640 and that I need a PHONE to do it. I apparently don't know what I'm missing.

Frankly, I'm GLAD most people don't use Windows phones. It means I'm far less likely to be hacked or get malware because like the Mac, it's not worth the criminals' time to bother with a small user base.
 
Competively? At least here iPhone is always at least 100e more expensive than a comparable model from any other maker. I've had multiple customers move away from iPhone because they can no longer justify the price. iPhone 7 starting at 779e. iPhone 7+ starting at 919e. 256GB iPhone 7+ - 1139e. Dirt cheap, that's barely over $1200.

I envy you and your three-digit pricing.
 
I understand laptops being expensive. I expect to keep mine for multiple years. But if smartphones are supposed to be upgraded once a year, these prices are too much.
I have had my iPhone 5 for all these years. I'm buying an iPhone 8 and expect it to last me at least 4 years. Apple wants you to upgrade every year but for me it's like a laptop. Plus they get software support for about 5 years.
 
And what is it you think I need to do on a PHONE? It's responsive. It runs a decent browser. It texts. It calls other phones. It has a nice news app. It can play Angry Birds and Bejeweled. It can record and play back 1080p video and all manners of audio formats and it can Skype video calls. What else do you think it or any smart phone needs to do, exactly? I use to peruse all kinds of Apps for my Apple iPod Touch units (all 5 generations of them) and I NEVER found anything that I actually used on a regular basis because ultimately I'm still holding a tiny screen with tiny controls and it can't come close to a real computer and the apps mostly SUCK ("More" isn't "better"). Maybe a banking app would be nice, but I'd be terrified to do banking on a device that is routinely hacked (being wireless). Besides, most web sites have web interfaces too.

I'm really curious what you people are doing with these phones that they're worth spending close to $1000 for. I could get a 13" Macbook Pro model for that or a 15" one every other phone. What are you doing on a phone that requires a $1000 model? Give me some examples that I cannot do on my Lumia 640 and that I need a PHONE to do it. I apparently don't know what I'm missing.

Frankly, I'm GLAD most people don't use Windows phones. It means I'm far less likely to be hacked or get malware because like the Mac, it's not worth the criminals' time to bother with a small user base.
Well my 5s gave me Touch ID. A perfect compromise between convenience and security. My 6 gave me a Apple Pay. My 6s gave me 3dt. Three huge functions that fundamentally changed the way I use or interact with my phone.
 
Why do the concepts make the whole of the existing iPhone front face a screen? Surely the normal usable area will remain 16:9? And the screen will then be extended further down for soft home button and other function buttons. But the top of the phone that was previously bezel will simply disappear, leaving a smaller phone for a given screen size compared to a current style iphone of the same screen size
 
What if you already have a nice bicycle? :p
You can never have enough nice bicycles...
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Indeed!
However, I believe YOU to be the outlier.
Most consider the superlative of anything a "luxury". For example... we all have to eat; but if you only eat burgers from the finest ground kobe beef, that is a luxury (even though it's still "just a burger"). All babies need diapers, but if you buy your child cashmere diapers, that's a luxury- even though it still just catches doodies. We all need internet enabled communication devices in this era, though you COULD get by with a $99 Android phone- if yours is designed by the top industrial designers of our time, engineered by the topmost talented engineers, has the highest speed SSDs available w/ newly minted file system to make the most of that speed & provide the best security available on a mobile platform, etc... well then, that is a luxury!
Like in each of the other instances- you decided instead of getting by w/ what is necessary, to instead "treat yourself" to the best money can buy.
If that doesn't fit your definition of luxury... fine; I maintain that it does for most.
Get over yourself, these days an iPhone is as much a luxury item as a pair of ugg boots and a burberry baseball cap!!! They are a white goods item, no more no less!!!
 
They can charge whatever they want within reason for the iPhone because most people buy them on a plan anyway. I understand the '$1000 for a phone' argument but if you're not just paying for the badge I'm okay with it.
 
You can never have enough nice bicycles...
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Get over yourself, these days an iPhone is as much a luxury item as a pair of ugg boots and a burberry baseball cap!!! They are a white goods item, no more no less!!!

To each their own.
In my opinion, a Burberry cap does no better of a job covering your head than any other hat; thus is no "luxury".
It's just- an expensive hat.
That's what all you people get hung up on....! Either expense, or exclusivity.
To me: it is only the matter of it being superlative that makes it luxury.
Example that I hope can clear it up:
If there were only two types of paperclips in the world; standard, for a nickel apiece & deluxe for a quarter apiece... and you absolutely refused to use the cheap ones & insisted on using only the finest.
I'd consider your 25¢ paperclips a "luxury".... something where you could spend a fifth the price & get the same utility; yet you choose to spend a bit extra and spoil yourself by only using the best.
So, to me- how popular the iPhone is & how many people have it doesn't play into whether or not I consider it a luxury. I do.
You are welcome not to & have whatever definition you want.
I maintain that my definition is the more common.
One last example:
If your child comes to you and asks- "is eating a necessity or a luxury?" you'd likely answer "a necessity"; whereas, if they asked- "is owning a Gameboy a necessity or a luxury?" you'd answer "a luxury". A Gameboy is not a ridiculous expense; it is not rare, it is not exclusive- yet you'd likely categorize it luxury vs. necessity.
My idea of luxury is different from yours, because, to me it doesn't equate w/ "posh" or "rich"; simply "incomparable", or "unnecessary, but I choose to upgrade my experience anyways".
 
To each their own.
In my opinion, a Burberry cap does no better of a job covering your head than any other hat; thus is no "luxury".
It's just- an expensive hat.
That's what all you people get hung up on....! Either expense, or exclusivity.
To me: it is only the matter of it being superlative that makes it luxury.
Example that I hope can clear it up:
If there were only two types of paperclips in the world; standard, for a nickel apiece & deluxe for a quarter apiece... and you absolutely refused to use the cheap ones & insisted on using only the finest.
I'd consider your 25¢ paperclips a "luxury".... something where you could spend a fifth the price & get the same utility; yet you choose to spend a bit extra and spoil yourself by only using the best.
So, to me- how popular the iPhone is & how many people have it doesn't play into whether or not I consider it a luxury. I do.
You are welcome not to & have whatever definition you want.
I maintain that my definition is the more common.
One last example:
If your child comes to you and asks- "is eating a necessity or a luxury?" you'd likely answer "a necessity"; whereas, if they asked- "is owning a Gameboy a necessity or a luxury?" you'd answer "a luxury". A Gameboy is not a ridiculous expense; it is not rare, it is not exclusive- yet you'd likely categorize it luxury vs. necessity.
My idea of luxury is different from yours, because, to me it doesn't equate w/ "posh" or "rich"; simply "incomparable", or "unnecessary, but I choose to upgrade my experience anyways".
I don't think that's the right answer or explanation. He correct response is whose business is it for what one uses as a mobile device. By that definition anything above a flip phone is a luxury.
 
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Well my 5s gave me Touch ID. A perfect compromise between convenience and security. My 6 gave me a Apple Pay. My 6s gave me 3dt. Three huge functions that fundamentally changed the way I use or interact with my phone.

Yeah, I'm suffering big time with old fashioned chipped credit cards and a code password that takes me all of 2-3 seconds to enter. That would be so worth 22x what I paid for my phone to get those features! :eek:

Actually, my phone has the chip to do Apple pay like transfers but Microsoft couldn't manage to get anyone to use it due to low user numbers. In Europe, their credit cards are pretty much zero contact already (requiring a protective sleeve in your wallet to make them safe), but it's the same convenience. Oddly, it hasn't caught on in the U.S. (Canada had chipped cards over 15 years ago for example).
 
Yeah, I'm suffering big time with old fashioned chipped credit cards and a code password that takes me all of 2-3 seconds to enter. That would be so worth 22x what I paid for my phone to get those features! :eek:

Actually, my phone has the chip to do Apple pay like transfers but Microsoft couldn't manage to get anyone to use it due to low user numbers. In Europe, their credit cards are pretty much zero contact already (requiring a protective sleeve in your wallet to make them safe), but it's the same convenience. Oddly, it hasn't caught on in the U.S. (Canada had chipped cards over 15 years ago for example).
The overarching comment is everybody's use case is different and why one chooses to spend $$$ on a phone vs $$ is individual preference. :)
 
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