iPhone 8 Said to Feature Iris Scanner to Authenticate With Your Eyes

[admob71]

Let's try again;

You: nothing you use currently will use your retina scan accept your phone.

Me: to counter your imaginery point; I explained the same could of been said for touch ID, which can now be used for banking i.e. Retina scan will be an option in future, one I wish not to use, not a big deal.

I still see they grow em with fully integrated blinkers, they say hilarious things like 'tin foil hat' thinking it helps there arguments.

It's "their" arguments, fella. If you are gonna get cute, learn to spell first.

 

[kdarling]

At least Apple always gives you the option if you want to use these features; I am more likely to trust them with this kind of data than other companies, personally I won't be using it though.

For example my bank uses touch ID to authenticate your ID, do you really naively belief that bank once given access to device won't say 'you can use retina data to log in'.

It sounds like you have a giant misconception about how and where data is stored for fingerprint and iris scans.

First off, the actual images are not stored anywhere. Moreover, nothing is sent outside the phone.

What's stored (in the phone's secure enclave where no one can access it), is a relatively small mathematical representation of the major identifying features. All unlock attempts are also rendered into such a representation and then compared against the stored one.

In other words, if a bank says you can use iris scan as a password, all they mean is that they'll allow your phone to say it's okay. The bank itself never sees anything.

So there's no need to fear that anyone can steal your prints or iris image.

 

[Three141]

It's "their" arguments, fella. If you are gonna get cute, learn to spell first.

Your rebuttal is over a homophone?! Hope those straws are of use to you.
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It sounds like you have a giant misconception about how and where data is stored for fingerprint and iris scans.

First off, the actual images are not stored anywhere. Moreover, nothing is sent outside the phone.

What's stored (in the phone's secure enclave where no one can access it), is a relatively small mathematical representation of the major identifying features. All unlock attempts are also rendered into such a representation and then compared against the stored one.

In other words, if a bank says you can use iris scan as a password, all they mean is that they'll allow your phone to say it's okay. The bank itself never sees anything.

So there's no need to fear that anyone can steal your prints or iris image.

That's actually quite useful, thanks!

 

[JamesPDX]

That won't affect an iris scan. The iris is the colored pattern part of your eye. It is fully formed when we're one year old, and barring an eye injury or death, supposedly never changes.

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The iris contains about five times as much unique information as a fingerprint. Which is why it is more accurate than fingerprint scanning.

Fingerprint sensors can falsely match someone else's finger about one in fifty thousand times. Iris scanner false acceptance rates are more like one in over a million.

Fingerprint sensors will falsely reject a valid finger about one in a thousand times (and far far more often than that with some people). Iris scans basically never reject a valid eye.



You just hold it in front of you, within about a foot.

Everyone already holds a phone up to look at what's on its screen.

The iris does change as you get older, but yes, more for some than others. One fact: Your limbal rings get thinner as you age.

I've read somewhere like Scientific American or Nature that "palmar vein" scanning is even better and harder to fake; as in holding up a photo of your iris to gain access to your device, etc. But it's going to be used more for, well... look here:

http://www.m2sys.com/biometric-fingerprint-software-industry-overview/

 

[admob71]

Your rebuttal is over a homophone?! Hope those straws are of use to you.
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That's actually quite useful, thanks!

Is the tin foil starting to wobble lol, take it off son, there you go you will feel so much better for it.

 

[Three141]

Is the tin foil starting to wobble lol, take it off son, there you go you will feel so much better for it.

I see you find yourself very entertaining, don't give up your day job!

 

[kdarling]

The iris does change as you get older, but yes, more for some than others. One fact: Your limbal rings get thinner as you age.

True, and since the size of that dark ring around the iris decreases as we get older, we subconciously judge people with thicker (younger) rings as more attractive. Seems like a billion dollar body modification market waiting for anyone who invents a way to increase the size . Or is that already being done?

Fortunately for iris recognition systems, the limbus contrast is minimal under the IR light used, and so is not used. Heck, pupil size in the middle of the iris changes dramatically all the time and is also not a problem.

Thanks also for the info about palmar vein. Will have to check that out.

 

[44267547]

Not at all, but thanks for your concern.

It wasn't a concern. It was a general observation. And you never answered my questions. I see how serious you consider an actual discussion, other than one liner retorts.

 

[Precursor]

So we gonna stick eyeball on home button?