iPhone 8 Said to Have Separate Wireless Charger, No Headphone Jack Adapter or USB-C Cable in Box

[Chicane-UK]

Wow, really nice! There will be a lightning - UCB-c cable included in the iPhone box... It's outrageous that you can't connect an iPhone 7 and a new Macbook without buying a cable apart. Why the hell Apple is still using the lightning port on iPhone (maybe even in the next iPhone generation) and not directly a USB-c?????????????

I feel Apple can't win on the USB-C or Lightning port situation. If they go to USB-C loads of people will complain that they've got to buy all their accessories again or use another dongle. If they stick with Lightning, people will complain they're continuing to force a proprietary standard on everyone, and that they SHOULD be moving onto USB-C.

Knowing how Apple have been working lately, I should imagine they'll actually be developing a new proprietary standard to replace Lightning

 

[one more]

The problem with that separate wireless charger idea, if true, is that it is more bulky than the current (wired) chargers, so what's the benefit? One still needs to stick something big with a wire into a socket and then just place a phone on it. Add the increased price of the charger if it needs to be replaced & it all becomes just a high-tech gimmick.

 

[dantroline]

The problem with that separate wireless charger idea, if true, is that it is more bulky than the current (wired) chargers, so what's the benefit? One still needs to stick something big with a wire into a socket and then just place a phone on it. Add the increased price of the charger if it needs to be replaced & it all becomes just a high-tech gimmick.

Apple has decided that you will just love it. Logic or practicality doesn't come into it.

Anyway just a thought about wireless energy transmission and the problems Nikola Tesla and others have run into. If you try to beam power through the air across a distance, you start cooking the water vapor (and any people/birds/etc) on the way to your target, or if you change frequencies you might get diffraction and focal loss, or if you change frequencies more you start cooking other things like proteins and DNA. Biological effects of wireless energy are cumulative and can occur at tiny wattages. On the other hand if you use magnetic resonance which is possibly safer you start magnetizing/demagnetizing everything from cutlery to speaker magnets to non SSD hard drives. So apart from very near field 'wireless' charging there is not a lot of hope for beating two cents worth of copper wire. And a wireless charging station needs to be specially designed and placed somewhere and will always take up the same or more space than a transformer since in itself it consists of a transformer and an induction coil.

Seriously Apple, instead of getting rid of the magnetic charger on the Macbook Pro, you should have extended the technology to your phones. Nothing more beautiful than just putting the phone next to the cable and they click and find each other.

 

[MathersMahmood]

Of course its got no headphone jack lol. Gonna stay away from leaks. Kills hype for me now nothing every surprises us.

 

[jaymie1983]

The marketing tag line:

Less. For more.

Lol

 

[theluggage]

When was the Newton released and how is that even relevant to today?

OK, lets re-state the point without trying to be flippant: phones got thin and light enough to hold comfortably & fit in pockets years ago. You have to go back practically to the Newton era to find hand-held computing devices that were literally too thick to hold comfortably - ok, those devices had lots of other shortfalls too, but you're trying to make thin-ness and end in itself. I have a 4-year-old Note 2, still large by phone standards, which is perfectly comfortable to hold, and not too heavy. Certainly not to the point where you'd want to make other design compromises (removing useful ports, constraining the design of the camera lens etc.) for the sake of making it thinner.

An iPhone 6+ or iPad Pro wouldn't be less comfortable to hold if the case were 1mm thicker so that the camera lens could be flush. On the iPhone, which fits into your hand with the centre of gravity in your palm, you could fill that space with battery. Maybe not on the iPad, which you support by the edge, away from the centre of gravity, so the weight is more critical.
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If they go to USB-C loads of people will complain that they've got to buy all their accessories again or use another dongle.

That didn't stop them with the MacBook/MacBook Pro - and in that case there was no proprietary port to replace, and they could easily have included a mixture of ports if they had wanted to. Also, mass adoption of USB-C as standard in phones & tablets is a dead cert (microUSB is horrible and mobiles only have room for a single connector so a "smart" multipurpose connector is a perfect fit) whereas its not so clear that its the future for PCs.

Currently, what Apple are promoting is at 90 degrees to reality: USB-C is the future for PCs but not for mobile!

However, the time to have made that switch was with the iPhone 7 - before creating a whole market for Lightning headsets etc.

 

[MacGizmo]

When Android phone users started screaming about it a few years ago, I couldn't understand the obsession with it. You still have to plug something in to the wall, and your phone has to sit ON it. Which means you still need to have one in the bedroom, one in the kitchen, one to keep in the laptop bag to take with you, etc.

Years later, I still don't understand the fascination with it. You're going to spend hundreds of dollars for a clunky charging pad in each room simply to avoid plugging the lightning cable into the phone? Seriously? Is it that difficult to plug the lightning cable in?

Now if Apple figures out a way to have my computer or my Apple TV (or I guess a stand-alone charging device) charge my iPhone simply by walking in the room (leaving the phone in my pocket, laptop bag, sitting on the counter, etc), then I'll be impressed. I know the technology exists and has bee talked about for a while now. The only problem I see there is; do I/you really want these electrons beamed throughout your(self) house? I can see the cancers and brain tumors growing already...

 

[albebaubles]

2) You don't so no one possibly does.

Developers have to have them connected -- no wireless debugging yet.
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Goodness. Just get rid of Lightning and use USB-C instead, and include the cable in box. It's the simple, straightforward solution for everything.
And no one wants fake wireless charging anyway. Such a gimmick.

Nonsense -- we power stimulators injected in humans WIRELESSLY. No wires coming out of the body. You're lost.

 

[Kid Red]

BS.

So 3 sizes with the middle size being a high-end model with OLED? So the middle will be more expensive than the plus? That makes ZERO sense.

I'm OK with the charging pad so long as I don't have to remove my case to attach it like the Watch.

 

[Popeye206]

Totally contactless wireless charging will be awesome if thats the direction they go. However, you'll still need some sort of charing port otherwise how would you charge in a car or take your phone on a trip without taking a charing station with you?

 

[TurboPGT!]

There is 0 good reason to move the iPhone but 100% good reason to move the mac? Sounds very two faced to me.

What? That's not the conversation. The conversation is including Lighting to USB-A OR Lightning-to USB-C. Has nothing to do with moving the Lightning port itself to USB-C.

 

[RealKrS]

I know I am dreaming but if you buy a premium phone with wireless charging it better come with a charging puck thingy...

Not on my watch.

- Tim C

 

[Since1987]

Congrats Sir Ive.... you have now achieved your long term goal to remove EVERYTHING. I hope you are happy now, Please retire !! I can only hope he is replaced with someone who places the customers needs above the needs of Apple shareholders ( ie. cart BEHIND horses ). Let's say.... FORSTALL ??!!

 

[Moorepheus]

Said it in another thread, my current iPhone is the last one I buy unless I get a great deal like AT&T gave me when I bought this one.

 

[s15119]

Is that you, Homer the Narc?

Anyway: Who cares if people scream or whatever. They can express however they like.

It's my opinion that the screaming or whatever diminishes the quality of discussion on many tech venues. Many of us recall when the level of discourse was quite a bit more serious and valuable than what it has become.
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The only thing worse than people who whine and cry, are those that whine and cry about those who whine and cry.

or those that whine and cry about those that whine and cry about those that whine and cry, ad nauseam

 

[pat500000]

It's my opinion that the screaming or whatever diminishes the quality of discussion on many tech venues. Many of us recall when the level of discourse was quite a bit more serious and valuable than what it has become.
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or those that whine and cry about those that whine and cry about those that whine and cry, ad nauseam

It's your opinion and that's fine. But I'm hearing a nice tune in this forum.

 

[snicklesnackle]

BS.

So 3 sizes with the middle size being a high-end model with OLED? So the middle will be more expensive than the plus? That makes ZERO sense.

I'm OK with the charging pad so long as I don't have to remove my case to attach it like the Watch.

Agreed. There's something un-Applelike about this third model. Make all phones as good as they can be or don't bother.

 

[oldtime]

They are trying their hardest to make people mad.

1. Adopting a gimmick charging system years after everyone else.
2. Not being able to plug the phone in to a new MacBook Pro out of the box.

Yeah, I can honestly say I don't really grasp what they're doing. It's as if they're intentionally toying with their customer base to see how many pokes in the belly they will take.

 

[tech4all]

It's my opinion that the screaming or whatever diminishes the quality of discussion on many tech venues. Many of us recall when the level of discourse was quite a bit more serious and valuable than what it has become.
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or those that whine and cry about those that whine and cry about those that whine and cry, ad nauseam

That's too much whining now, so here's some cheese too balance it out.

 

[Macaholic868]

I feel Apple can't win on the USB-C or Lightning port situation. If they go to USB-C loads of people will complain that they've got to buy all their accessories again or use another dongle. If they stick with Lightning, people will complain they're continuing to force a proprietary standard on everyone, and that they SHOULD be moving onto USB-C.

Knowing how Apple have been working lately, I should imagine they'll actually be developing a new proprietary standard to replace Lightning

The solution is simple. Apple should be including a lightning to USB-C cable in the iPhone's box. Making a few bucks less on the device wouldn't be the end of the world. The iPhone 8 should do away with Lightning alltogather. It's no longer neccessary.

 

[dan110]

Apple continues doing their best to push this longtime customer who's spent many thousands of $ on their gear towards their competitors with every new product release.

Two points about your second point.

1) Most people don't yet own the new MacBook Pro.
2) I can't remember the last time I plugged my iPhone in to my Mac. Multiple years ago is probably the answer.

I've plugged mine into my work laptop no less than five times today. Imagine that, consumers aren't made from the same uniform cookie cutter. Go figure
[doublepost=1487042210][/doublepost]This all reminds me of 2003 when I started the gradual move away from Microsoft. It began with iTunes, then the iPod, and finally a mid-range Mac desktop. This led to the MacBook, the iPhone, Apple Stock, and everything else in between.

But today, Apple is telling all of us that care enough to post here that they could care less about the prosumer and consumer that has been with the company from the start, it's resurrection in the early 2000s, and now. They simply do NOT care. Hence, you all can rant and rave about dongle this and charging pad that. Apple has decided they're going to ram whatever they want right down the market's throat WITHOUT truly being innovative or value conscious.

So, as you already know, everything comes full circle. And like 2003, I've already started my plan to move away from another fossilized technology monolith. It will first start with my cloud services, then my mobile device(s), and finally my work machines that I use for powerhouse tasks.

Steve, wherever you are, it was a great ride this second time around.

 

[Abazigal]

The solution is simple. Apple should be including a lightning to USB-C cable in the iPhone's box. Making a few bucks less on the device wouldn't be the end of the world. The iPhone 8 should do away with Lightning alltogather. It's no longer neccessary.

Or you could simply buy the cable you need and be done with this discussion altogether.

 

[freddiecable]

point is, i want a 5.5 screen and not a 5.0 screen, thats 0.5 smaller either way

then get a 5.5"

 

[QuarterSwede]

The one thing that always comes up with the tech illiterate in my family is their ever burgeoning amount of photos and videos that they hold so dear. Apple has us by the you know what with its puny 5 GB of free iCloud backup, that obviously runs out very quickly. A lot of people either refuse to spend money on additional iCloud storage, or have zero clue how to use a 3rd party option such as Google Photo or Dropbox for backup. So for them, manually syncing their phones via cable to a Mac, to pull all their photos and videos down to load into iPhoto, is their preferred option. (And guess who has the honor of helping to do this most of the time... )

If rumors are true that the syncing/charging cables are going away, really hope Apple is considering the adoption of a free and unlimited iCloud backup solution. (Doubt it but still hopeful.)

I can understand that. However, in my experience most people just pony up the extra 99¢/month for 50GB, which is generally more than enough for most people. It's classic marketing and you're right that it's doubtful they'll give away that easy revenue stream for free.

 

[Cole Slaw]

The solution is simple. Apple should be including a lightning to USB-C cable in the iPhone's box. Making a few bucks less on the device wouldn't be the end of the world. The iPhone 8 should do away with Lightning alltogather. It's no longer neccessary.

But wouldn't syncing your 256 GB iPhone 8 wirelessly take a loooong time?
Maybe I'm not up to date on this, but in the past I tried wirelessly syncing my 128 GBs and I gave up on it and ended up plugging the iPhone in.
Neat idea but was taking forever...
At least for the first time when loading all your data into the phone.