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They'd be mad not to call it the 8, the obsession with that number in China would boost sales all by itself.
 
Drink the coolaide. If they wanted to they could manufacture enough so that everyone who wants one could have it within the first month. It isn't like they don't know what the demand for their products are.

10 million orders on launch (at least) would mean a fortnight of non-stop capacity production before the device is even announced.

Leaks will be omnipresent. The devices will be imaged on an OS that is a couple of weeks out of date. That's a very long time for a new device. Not much opportunity for last minute patches, as has frequently happened.

So really the only viable alternative would be to announce the product, then say "pre order in 2 weeks' time", which would annoy even more people.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. That's pretty much the case with Apple's demand vs. a forum full of armchair CEOs.
 
I also wanted to point out that I keep seeing these mockups showing the home button as a Siri icon, but I doubt Apple would do that. Users would see that and think "If I press that, it's going to make a loud beep and Siri will start talking." They will probably go back to using the roundrect squircle that they used on the home button from 2007-2012, and if you start to hold it down too long there will probably be some visual effect around it that starts to take place before Siri activates.
 
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And people say this every year, that Apple hold off on stock to artificially inflate demand. It's ridiculous. The truth is much simpler; they're very desirable phones and Apple can't make them quick enough.

BS. If it happens 1 year? Forgivable. Happens for 2 years straight? Questionable. For ~6+ years straight, nothing but intentional.
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Wireless charging for all makes me happy. I'm not going to buy a $1k starting price iPhone no matter how cool it is, so the 7s will be just fine for me.

Yeah, until you learn they only bumped the SOC and a slight camera upgrade. Then you'll be pissed they spent all of their resources on the iPhone "Magical" Edition and you feel like you have no choice to buy the Magical Edition otherwise you're buying essentially a year old model
 
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That logic just completely baffles me. While the the manufacturers very well might not be able to crank them out quick enough, if Apple really wanted to solve this problem, they could. Supplies have been "constrained" for 10 years now.

I might believe, that, maybe, first 2-3 launches really were followed by product shortage because of X reason(s). But, at this moment, i'm sure, that they just can't afford to have enough stock of phones/earbuds/laptops/tabletops/tablets/ whatever on launch day AND to launch these products in reasonable time frame from presentation. It has just has become a part of all hype, of all "experience".
Imagine, if they launched iPhone Z AND it was available the next day everywhere AND in stock. It would be so generic and basic and "boring", like going to shop after work and getting cat food or something. Nobody would care about iPhone Z after a month, hype would be dead in a week and it would collect dust on shelfs from that point. Probably not really what Apple would like to see, comparing to what it is now, when STILL in some places people are waiting for new iPhone 7
 
BS. If it happens 1 year? Forgivable. Happens for 2 years straight? Questionable. For ~6+ years straight, nothing but intentional.

Nothing but intentional... of course. I notice there's not so much of a mention about the difficulties of mass production, the high-quality materials required, the tolerances, the shipping, the packaging, the QA...

You also neglected to mention that for ~6+ years straight, the demand has been getting infinitely higher. Furthermore, the materials and cost of production is higher too.

I really don't think many here have the tiniest inkling about the impossibility of this expectation. All the people saying Apple can solve this just seem to offer criticisms rather than actual solutions. I guess that's why Tim's the CEO.
 
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I also wanted to point out that I keep seeing these mockups showing the home button as a Siri icon, but I doubt Apple would do that. Users would see that and think "If I press that, it's going to make a loud beep and Siri will start talking." They will probably go back to using the roundrect squircle that they used on the home button from 2007-2012.

It's dopey things like that which make me discount and ignore 99% of the nonsense that these people spew out. They may have mastered 3D modelling, but consistently seem to COMPLETELY miss the point about the "Apple way" and the inevitability, critical simplicity and entirely rational balance and utility behind the subtlety of the elements of Apple designs.

Most folk miss these points and will never see what's hidden in plain sight because there trying too hard to second guess what's coming next, instead of calmly reflecting, examining and rationalizing what has come BEFORE, looking at years and years of Apple products, buying old ones on eBay and playing with them... examining them IN THEIR HANDS for weeks or months in end. The majority of people miss the subtlety of the incredible extremes of fine detail and nuance that are right in front of them every single day, and that's why few people will EVER understand what truly profound design and function is, and why all these external "iPhone killer" products consistently fail to do so.
 
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"Edition" is such a stupid name for product in the way Apple use it. iPhone Edition, Apple Watch Edition, etc. Makes more sense if named iPhone Pro Edition, iPhone Anniversary Edition or Apple Watch Ceramic Edition. Just using product name and "Edition" just doesn't work.

"This far out" isn't too far out.
 
I don't care what they name it. I've completely given up on Apple ever making sense of their naming conventions. As soon as it looks like they are taking a step in doing so they come out with something that makes confusing again anyway!
 
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How can 4,000 people believe it will be called the iPhone 8 or iPhone Pro?! :eek:
It won't.
 
The Mac is the only device Apple has ever made a special anniversary edition for and that was a LONG time ago.

There was no anniversary iPod. No anniversary iMac.

Funny so many think there will be some special fanfare for the iPhone.
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Useless banter. This early in the game you can make up any rumor you want. No one knows what will happen this far out.

But baseless speculation right now brings people to MacRumors which allows them to display more ads and make more money, so they keep doing it even if the reporting is crap.
 
Oy. I'm on the Apple subscription deal and expect to get a new phone each September - so I want the 8 of course. But if it comes months late, this screws up the payments on the subscription. Same thing last year. I think, instead of releasing a product world-wide to shortages, release in a few main countries, then more as production ramps up.
 
That concept looks weird. Maybe it's just the app icons.
IMO it's the complete waste of space by having a virtual home button all alone at the bottom of the phone. People need to understand that we can potentially have apps flanking either side of the new home button as some mockups have highlighted. (No shame in removing those top and bottom bezels. Cut the cord, people.)
 
I really don't think many here have the tiniest inkling about the impossibility of this expectation. All the people saying Apple can solve this just seem to offer criticisms rather than actual solutions. I guess that's why Tim's the CEO.

If you ask me, Tim could easily be replaced and nothing would change. Steve set that company up to have strength at all levels. As a CEO Tim's job is to cast vision and sooth investors. I highly doubt he's hands on like Steve was. I think it's evident by all the trips Tim takes. So why is Tim CEO... I don't know. At this point I'd say it's to assure investors since he's Steve's "chosen" successor. I think he's easily replaceable with the type of CEO role he at least appears to be playing out.
 
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They'd be mad not to call it the 8, the obsession with that number in China would boost sales all by itself.

Figuratively speaking, the #7 is taboo in China. In order to create a separation of the current line up, the 7s will likely follow suit to the iPhone 7 and the iPhone 8 to the reported 5.8 OLED model. It makes complete sense to have a difference in the iPhone numbers. The iPhone 7s (If its labeled that) will be a refinement of what it is now.
 
It's dopey things like that which make me discount and ignore 99% of the nonsense that these people spew out. They may have mastered 3D modelling, but consistently seem to COMPLETELY miss the point about the "Apple way" and the inevitability, critical simplicity and entirely rational balance and utility behind the subtlety of the elements of Apple designs.

Most folk miss these points and will never see what's hidden in plain sight because there trying too hard to second guess what's coming next, instead of calmly reflecting, examining and rationalizing what has come BEFORE, looking at years and years of Apple products, buying old ones on eBay and playing with them... examining them IN THEIR HANDS for weeks or months in end. The majority of people miss the subtlety of the incredible extremes of fine detail and nuance that are right in front of them every single day, and that's why few people will EVER understand what truly profound design and function is, and why all these external "iPhone killer" products consistently fail to do so.
I forgot to mention the asymmetrical top and bottom bezels. Apple would never do that. If they can't get the speaker, camera and proximity sensor integrated into the top of the display, it will have a thin bezel—and the same thickness will be found at the bottom—whether or not it has a purpose beyond the aesthetic. It has to look balanced. I suppose they could do a rather pure black with OLED, but then why put that piece of display there in the first place if it's always black?
 
I agree the conspiracy rhetoric is slightly silly, but it has a hint of truth in it. Apple can't underestimate their sales every year. That's just not possible (a bit of hyperbole, yes). At some point someone, somewhere, somehow would question: How do we end up supply constrained every year?

How is it you figure Apple can't make phones quick enough? Mis-identifying the right mix of product? I get that. Simply not being able to make enough? Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Especially, every single year.

The real point being, these are all just rumors circulated by third parties who are making guesses. Apple hasn't "hyped" anything.
 
It will be called the 7s. Anything else will get a eye roll from me. If they take on the mess that they've created with the flip flopping of the iPad naming pattern, please, no.
 
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