So, you think they are a group of total incompetent people? Or do you think along the lines of "How dare they rule against Apple"?
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iPhone ad rapped as 'misleading'
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So, you think they are a group of total incompetent people? Or do you think along the lines of "How dare they rule against Apple"?
LOL, I suppose someone can make the same argument about DOS being the "core," since for all this fancy-schmancy Graphical UI, one needs computers with more than 128k memory....
Get with the times, will you?
I haven't seen the adverts but Jersey is part of the British Isles - the British Isles comprise Great Britain (England, Scotland, Wales), Northern Ireland, the Republic of Ireland and thousands of small islands (including the Channel Islands). It is purely a geographic term and doesn't relate to sovereignty, etc . The claim around the Sun Shining brighter is probably because they are further south than the other British Isles, and Perfect is a subjective phrase that I guess they could have been pulled up on. Having said that, if no-one made a complaint about the ads, the ASA wouldn't have investigated anyway
Why do people hate Flash so much? You want to make a low bandwidth animation, what would YOU use? There are a number of incredibly popular web based anims which rely on Flash. Flash is here to stay and it's not that bad. You can't blame the format for people who've misused it, there's a lot of good flash content too.. Just because *you* don't use it doesn't mean it's of no value.
Like someone else said, Homestar Runner would be good on the iphone.
Also, a lot of the alternatives to Youtube use flash. A lot of news sites use flash, a lot of video-bloggers use flash, a lot of gaming press sites use flash.. Usually there are other options too, but flash is the most ubiquitous, so the iphone should support it.
My PalmOS Sony UX50 had flash support years ago, could cope fine with downloaded flash files - that was puny compared to the iphone, and im hardly anyone had them..
The Wii's support for flash has opened up a lot of interesting free games too.
And flash is part of the internet whether it's a standard or not. The line does have to be drawn at some point, but they should have the sense to draw it after all of the commonly accepted, ubiquitous web formats, proprietary or otherwise. Java isn't really one of those anymore as very little requires it.. One of the biggest crowds apple are pitching the iphone at on the other hand definitely miss Flash in it's absence.
Like someone else said, Homestar Runner would be good on the iphone.
Also, a lot of the alternatives to Youtube use flash. A lot of news sites use flash, a lot of video-bloggers use flash, a lot of gaming press sites use flash.. Usually there are other options too, but flash is the most ubiquitous, so the iphone should support it.
My PalmOS Sony UX50 had flash support years ago, could cope fine with downloaded flash files - that was puny compared to the iphone, and im hardly anyone had them..
The Wii's support for flash has opened up a lot of interesting free games too.
And flash is part of the internet whether it's a standard or not. The line does have to be drawn at some point, but they should have the sense to draw it after all of the commonly accepted, ubiquitous web formats, proprietary or otherwise. Java isn't really one of those anymore as very little requires it.. One of the biggest crowds apple are pitching the iphone at on the other hand definitely miss Flash in it's absence.
I think the word perfect is subjective rather than objective. Which is different than the claim that apple made. As for the rest I admit I don't know my facts so I'm not going to argue against them.
But there is also the possibility that no one complained about the Jersey ad and if they had it would have been held up.
The ASA are only obligated to look at ads which have been complained about.
Yet another reason to not build a Flash only website. Blame the so called web designers who think Flash is the only way to create neat effects. They just aren't educated, besides in Flash. SEO is non existent at this time for flash so what is the point of an all Flash site?
I guess all Mac adds can be pulled from the UK for not having the full internet, because:
1) safari cannot use active x components
2) rarely, a few websites do break under safari
3) some online/MMORPG games are not available on mac
4) some streaming media unavailable
So what? A phone with a full browser on it ... oh, and it cannot run a proprietary closed standard such as flash
1) safari cannot use active x components
2) rarely, a few websites do break under safari
3) some online/MMORPG games are not available on mac
4) some streaming media unavailable
So what? A phone with a full browser on it ... oh, and it cannot run a proprietary closed standard such as flash
Actually, an "Internet standard" is not whatever you decide you want the term to mean. There are actual official standards. Flash is not an Internet standard.
As far as the advertisement goes, when I saw the ad when it first came out, it did not occur to me that the iPhone would give me complete access to every website on the internet. But then, no browser does that, especially on a Mac.
Why would anyone assume that the commercial implied that an iPhone ships with 3rd party software? And since it was repeated over and over again in every news article that the iPhone did not support 3rd party software, what were people thinking?
I guess all Mac adds can be pulled from the UK for not having the full internet, because:
1) safari cannot use active x components
2) rarely, a few websites do break under safari
3) some online/MMORPG games are not available on mac
4) some streaming media unavailable
So what? A phone with a full browser on it ... oh, and it cannot run a proprietary closed standard such as flash
AFAIK, Apple don't make any adverts for OS X that makes the claims that the offending iPhone advert made...
I guess all Mac adds can be pulled from the UK for not having the full internet, because:
1) safari cannot use active x components
2) rarely, a few websites do break under safari
3) some online/MMORPG games are not available on mac
4) some streaming media unavailable
So what? A phone with a full browser on it ... oh, and it cannot run a proprietary closed standard such as flash
Most mac ads don't claim that you can use the full internet. You only get pulled for claims you have made which are not true. Since on their other ads they haven't made those claims they wont be pulled
I guess I was typing while Phil A posted
Were there any complaints? With that body of evidence you could and should submit a complaint.
How you personally would interpret the ad is irrelevant. Not everyone understands the ins and outs of the internet and technology. I'm pretty sure there are things you have purchased based solely on advertising copy.
The fact remains that complaints were made. The ASA investigated those complaints and determined there was potential for a significant number of viewers to be mislead. It's as simple as that.
No it isn't. It isn't approved by the IETF, W3C, IEEE or anyone else. It's a proprietary plugin that has widespread use, but it's not by any stretch of the imagination a standard (unlike TCP/IP, HTML, XML etc.).
LOL, I suppose someone can make the same argument about DOS being the "core," since for all this fancy-schmancy Graphical UI, one needs computers with more than 128k memory....
Get with the times, will you?
That's not a valid comparison. What you're describing are changes in the fundamental behaviour of the operating system.
By contrast, the web is first and foremost a means of communicating information from the website's creator to the users around the world. A decent web developer knows that if they're using XHTML, CSS and any server-side interpreted language then they're on safe ground. They'd also know that anything like Javascript, Flash or the like is down to whether the user has it/wants to use it. If a developer chooses to create elements of a site exclusively with those technologies then they've got to accept that they're compromising the accessibility of the site and not everybody is going to view it. That's just the way it is, unless you're advocating a monopoly on internet rendering technologies?
Someone else asked whether I thought the ASA was incompetent or Apple could never be at fault. The answer is neither. I merely think that in the spokesman's justification, they've essentially deemed that any computer that can't run any one of Flash, Shockwave, Java, Javascript or any of the myriad of more obscure technologies can't be considered to have access to all the internet! Is that really reasonable?
And that is fine. I understand that was the ruling. I was responding to postings that implied that the advertisement was unarguably false. I agree that there was the potential for the ad to mislead ignorant people. People who saw the ad, felt the need for all the parts of the internet in their pocket, but couldn't be bothered to check any of the parts of the internet for more information.
I'd bet that Apple doesn't care too much that they have to pull the ad. It's already been out a year.
But the postings on this thread about the veracity of Apple's claims are not being made by people that are ignorant of the fact that Flash is 3rd party software and that the iPhone did not support 3rd party software.
Oh, and BTW, I would never commit $2000 to the purchase of anything such as an iPhone "based solely on advertising copy."
Really?! Why don't you click on one of the banner ads paying for this forum and see what many of them are created in?
Hint: Flash.
...Oh, and BTW, I would never commit $2000 to the purchase of anything such as an iPhone "based solely on advertising copy."
Most people buy phones without thinking too much about them. In fact, most see a snazzy ad about a feature they'll probably rarely use (e.g. TV) and make a purchase decision based on that.
Oh, and BTW, if you are paying $2000 for an iPhone, I'd be happy to sell you one for $1900...
Actually, all the banner ads that I see in this forum are NOT Flash. I use the Flashblock extension with Firefox.
For the same reason they hated 3G or GPS before the iPhone got it. Because it doesn't have it.
The moment Flash appears on the iPHone, I guarantee you that every Apple fanboy will be gushing over it, and comparing it to other phones without.