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No cell phone is going to beat my Rebel SLR. Not by a long shot.
Of course. Mobile phone cams will never beat the image quality of an SLR. But a consumer-camera..? I think so.
how else is one supposed to make a rectangle touch screen phone with no buttons?
if you round the corners (samsung) you are copying apple
if you dont round the corners (LG) you are copying apple
i say even the automobile industry isn't innovative then, for the last 40 years all they have come up with are 4 wheels and a body (minus reliant) ..huh copy cats!
if you round the corners (samsung) you are copying apple
if you dont round the corners (LG) you are copying apple
i say even the automobile industry isn't innovative then, for the last 40 years all they have come up with are 4 wheels and a body (minus reliant) ..huh copy cats!
Im not buying an iPhone until the battery is replaceable. Spending 500-600 on a phone that will loose its charge in a year or so is a joke.
Then you will never buy one.
My 2G iPod (2002) battery still holds a charge and will play for about 3 hours.
Apple stores are popping up everywhere now. I won't mind walking in to one in a year or two after purchase and paying $50 to get a new battery.
If you want to talk about double standards, let's talk about virtualization. Microsoft is demonized by the Mac community for stipulating in their user agreement that only the higher end versions of Vista may be virtualized. However they're not given credit for even allowing virtualization. Apple will not. There's no absolute technical reason why OS X can't be virtualized a la Vista (though it may be more difficult with Core Animation, etc.), only that Apple says you may not do it. So for the sake of fairness, we should all turn around and scorn Apple too.
(In my defence, I dislike Microsoft as much as the next guy: I'm a recent switcher and I tell everyone I know to get a Mac if they have any choice at all. But I'm just sayin...)
A battery normally costs half the price of a newer, more powerful phone anyways.. I've never heard of a single person buying a new battery. But they are in stores, so someone must be buying them..
You can take some pretty nice photos with a pinhole camera. Amazing depth of field.
Sorry, I'm just being contrarian now.
People are trying. A lot of people are trying. But noone have made it yet. They've managed to start Darwin, but not OS X.
What about optical zoom? Most consumer cameras have 3 to 10X optical zooms. That won't happen on a phone.
Phone cameras are good and are going to get better. For some people, that is all they will need. But I think most people who are somewhat serious about photography will not be relying on their cell phone (no matter how good) to take pictures of their kids, vacations, etc.
you have 3x optical zoom on several phones now. Problem with seriousness is most people aren't really that serious about photography.. If it looks good, it's good.
Yeah just look at some the new sony ericsson phones, they have phones that are 3.2meg and supposedly take pictures that equal many of their low end digital cameras and this on their Walkman and Symbian series phones. I don't think it would have been to hard for Apple to do this. Also we have 3G in a lot of cities here. It is just that Cingular does not offer it. It is Verizon and Sprint that have the better coverage.
No way
There is no way Apple would copy a design by LG. It's more likely that they would design it so that it didn't look like other products. Any similarities are purely down to necessity of design when creating a phone with a touchscreen that fills the front.
For anyone that's familiar with the similarities between certain Rover and Jaguar cars, it would be like Rover claiming that Jaguar had copied their design...
There is no way Apple would copy a design by LG. It's more likely that they would design it so that it didn't look like other products. Any similarities are purely down to necessity of design when creating a phone with a touchscreen that fills the front.
For anyone that's familiar with the similarities between certain Rover and Jaguar cars, it would be like Rover claiming that Jaguar had copied their design...
I was worried about this type of thing in the cell phone market. You can have no names knocking your designs off left and right and there never seems to have been any recourse over it.
Apple might be a 2 ton great white in the computing world for innovating but in the cellphone world they are a tiny little goldfish stuck in a soup bowl of water with 50 other fish, all bigger than them.
Truly unfortunate....
Apple might be a 2 ton great white in the computing world for innovating but in the cellphone world they are a tiny little goldfish stuck in a soup bowl of water with 50 other fish, all bigger than them.
Truly unfortunate....
What if I want just a basic touch screen cell phone?
The iPhone is cool. Don't get me wrong.
Where Apple may take a hit is in the markets where people just want a basic cell phone. Most of Apple's patented features are used in conjunction with the web browsing, text messaging, and other advanced features that I don't want in a cell phone.
A Korean or Chinese made basic phone with just the basic cell phone features could be perfected and established before Apple can get around to making the iPhone "nano" or "mini" or whatever.
I'd love a touch screen basic cell phone that looked like the iPhone. That's all I need.
The iPhone is cool. Don't get me wrong.
Where Apple may take a hit is in the markets where people just want a basic cell phone. Most of Apple's patented features are used in conjunction with the web browsing, text messaging, and other advanced features that I don't want in a cell phone.
A Korean or Chinese made basic phone with just the basic cell phone features could be perfected and established before Apple can get around to making the iPhone "nano" or "mini" or whatever.
I'd love a touch screen basic cell phone that looked like the iPhone. That's all I need.
Who cares about optical zoom in a phone? Maybe it will happen in time, maybe it won't.
I just don't see why it's even worth discussing things like this.
Are there things an iPhone doesn't have? Yes, of course.
Will its functionality and capabilities progress? Yes, of course.
My last post and then I must get back to work, but:
This new "origami lens" means that camera phones may indeed have optical zooms in the future, and without the telescoping lens's like Sony's high-end camera phones.
See here and here:
http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/newsrel/science/foldedlens07.asp
http://blogs.zdnet.com/emergingtech/?p=477
Why pay 50 for a new battery when you can pay 50 or less for a battery that extends the life of the phone by 30% or more
Oh. You mean that your needs (preferences) in a phone are shaping your assessment of how well the iPhone will be received among a specific target market (people who want basic phones, which is to say people like you).
And then youre going a step further to suggest that a Korean or Chinese made basic phone, which is some how different than the thousands that already exist, could be developed in the few months that remain to really cut into that percentage of Apples projected market success with the iPhone.
Brilliant.
You should feel right at home in just about any of these forums about the iPhone. Youve reached that optimal point at which youre blending your preferences with various international dynamics and market stuff and how whoever is in charge at Apple may have forgotten this or that thing that youve picked up on.
I read MR for things like this.
I look forward to all the competition the iPhone can get. Competition is good for the consumer as it speeds up the implementation of new technology and sometimes also drops the prices.
I think other companies have a tall order in trying to meet and surpasse the iPhone, specially with over 200 patents protecting the iPhone.
It will be interesting to see what the competition comes with. Hehe.
I think other companies have a tall order in trying to meet and surpasse the iPhone, specially with over 200 patents protecting the iPhone.
It will be interesting to see what the competition comes with. Hehe.
you have 3x optical zoom on several phones now. Problem with seriousness is most people aren't really that serious about photography.. If it looks good, it's good.
Yeah, I see your point now. Now that I think about it half the people I know just point and shoot.
I am not too serious about photography, but I do like to have some control. I like to zoom, control aperture, shutter. I like the wide-angle and macro lenses, and I have a couple of filters too.
Maybe as cell phone cameras get better people will stop buying low end consumer cameras and the prices of the high end SLR will drop.
The one thing about these stupid ripoffs that pisses me off is that they use the EXACT SAME phone icon. I mean ripping off the entire product/concept/interface is one thing, but MAKE YOUR OWN DAMN ICONS!
What?
I meant a removable battery means nothing to me when I can easily get it replaced if need be.
No they dont, and for people that can't afford a new phone every two years, having a user replaceable battery is a big deal. I just bought a new battery for my Samsung Sprint phone and went from charging every night, to not having to charge for a few days for 29.99.
It's really sad that all the people on this board feel the need to defend Apple on every single decision they make. I love Apple, and even have my little Apple sticker on my car, but come on. Every single phone on the market has a user replaceable battery, and every phone that touts 'Internet Ready' coming out supports faster networks than Edge. Browsing on the net using Edge will be slower than my 28.8k modem from 10 years ago.
Lastly, I'm sorry to be blunt, but all of you complaining about them copying apple are just plain idiots. How freaking different can a touch screen be? It's thin, its rectangle, and the entire face is nothing but a screen! If anything, they are being more innovative by putting the camera on the front, letting the user buy whatever battery they want, and supporting 3G. And its not like they just whipped these things up in the last two weeks, they have probably been in development as long or nearly as long as the iPhone. There are only so many ways you can design a simplistic touch screen phone.
Lastly, whats the most important thing for a phone? Not the internet, not the UI, not the chatting....its the voice quality. As far as that goes, Apple has a lot to prove on this front. As of right now, the advantage is with Motorola and Samsung as they are veterans of the phone market. I can't believe people so blindly follow Apple that so many have already sworn to buy the product with
out even knowing how it sounds!
I will say, the new version of Windows Mobile looks like DOS compared to Apples UI for the phone. droolll...I love apple software.
Oh yeh....and there really should be a removable media slot. 4 or 8 gigs? What is that like a 10th of my ipod? WITHOUT videos?
Yes and you can just as easily get a extended battery for phones with removable batteries for around 50 bucks or less. That what I was trying to say.
I agree.
I've never understood why so many people on MR seem to despise competition and see copying and influence as something other than flattering.
If the iPhone is more than the sum of its parts it will sell. Why say in one sentence that you think its the best phone over and that thats obvious and carry on in hyperbolae. Then in the next sentence belittle and be so alarmist and negative about another product thats similar or that copies particular aspects of the phone.
If some consumers want a different phone that has, among other characteristics, matching icons, so what? Thats their choice and if there are such people, or such people can be projected to exist, companies will release phones that appeal to them. Why should we be critical of that?