Are you being serious? Let's manufacture them in the UK or the USA and watch the price go up by a few thousand %...? Up to you dude. Get over it.
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Are you being serious? Let's manufacture them in the UK or the USA and watch the price go up by a few thousand %...? Up to you dude. Get over it.
It's funny to see people getting piss off on this site.
what are you going to sue? too many rice field? too many people want to get rich and copy from the rich?
Apple can't do ****, there is not way they can do anything to the sly chinese.
Apple just have to live with it. When you destory one, there are 1.2 bil more.
an iPhone look-alike from Chinese company Meizu. what a message to Jobs. I like that.
what are you going to sue? too many rice field? too many people want to get rich and copy from the rich?
Apple can't do ****, there is not way they can do anything to the sly chinese.
Apple just have to live with it. When you destory one, there are 1.2 bil more.
an iPhone look-alike from Chinese company Meizu. what a message to Jobs. I like that.
The Chinese are masters at reverse engineering and they do 'somehow' get their hands on CAD Data of the real parts so they can burn their own mould tools. Its easy to scan something now anyway and get a 3D reproduction. I have seen mistakes reproduced in Chinese copies ie there is no reason some features are there anymore but they are reproduced nevertheless. Crafty designers are starting to add meanngless bosses or ribs to act as traps so they can catch out counterfitters.
component manufacturers will exhibit the next lines at trade shows, in the trade journals and proably touch screens were the next big thing six months ago-they probaly had a hunch about what apple was doing anyway. Also as someone sad most of these suppliers are in Asia and word will get around about who is working on what, it is difficult to keep something secret once you start speaking to suppliers.
component manufacturers will exhibit the next lines at trade shows, in the trade journals and proably touch screens were the next big thing six months ago-they probaly had a hunch about what apple was doing anyway. Also as someone sad most of these suppliers are in Asia and word will get around about who is working on what, it is difficult to keep something secret once you start speaking to suppliers.
I find it hilarious that the miniOne is so obviously cloned from the iPhone. All these imitations do is make me prefer the iPhone more but it would be interesting if they undercut the iPhone significantly.
As ever though, competition can only be a good thing. I wonder if Apple will improve the iPhone camera specs though. Doesn't 2MP strike you as a bit small. My FREE phone has a 3.2MP camera and a flash - I'd like the iPhone to at least match that if I'm going to spend such a large amount of cash on one.
As ever though, competition can only be a good thing. I wonder if Apple will improve the iPhone camera specs though. Doesn't 2MP strike you as a bit small. My FREE phone has a 3.2MP camera and a flash - I'd like the iPhone to at least match that if I'm going to spend such a large amount of cash on one.
Apple Macs are now basically PCs, but the reason people buy them is because of the quality of build, the attention to detail, the reliability and of course OS X. We are not sure that any of the other phones have multi-touch, we don't even know if the Windows Mobile that they run would support it. Yes they might look similar and promise great things but with Apple you are more likely to get those things become a reality and to have the phone further developed hand in hand with the OS. The other manufacturers are at the mercy of MS and therefore appeal to fashion more than utility.
I personally don't know why they bothered with the camera, it's not in their nature to add such an obvious gimmick - why not 'think different' and leave it out, use the space to expand storage or something. A facing iSight would be great, but anything else just seems to be them bowing to phone carrier. Who wants a load of pictures of poor quality that they wished they had taken on a proper camera.
I personally don't know why they bothered with the camera, it's not in their nature to add such an obvious gimmick - why not 'think different' and leave it out, use the space to expand storage or something. A facing iSight would be great, but anything else just seems to be them bowing to phone carrier. Who wants a load of pictures of poor quality that they wished they had taken on a proper camera.
I'm not over it and I'm not a dude. Jobs should realize the back end cost of dealing with the reverse engineering, rip off Chinese is staggering and simply get a real US/UK crew of workers who get the same concentration camp laborer's job done with Western ingenuity and genius -- not Chinese slave driver's sweat, fear, thievery and obfuscation. Anyone know that some freaky Chinese company actually reverse engineered a Mercedes and markets the copycat under some vaguely sounding Western name? Sick and unsafe "businessmen" over there. Actually corrupt politicos.
Jobs should get the hell out of China; it is the most unGreen, corrupt hellhole I can think of. And then he should sue in every local, federal, world, international trade court or principality he can figure out for this iPhone rip off.
Obfuscation? Well you're educated...
China is where Taiwan/Pakistan/India were 10 years ago -
Where Korea was 20 years ago -
Where Japan was 40 years ago -
Where the US was 150 years ago.
Technological evolution from an agrarian society begins with "copy-catting".
Odd seeing so much hostility, then a quote by St. Thomas Aquinas.
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China is where Taiwan/Pakistan/India were 10 years ago -
Where Korea was 20 years ago -
Where Japan was 40 years ago -
Where the US was 150 years ago.
Technological evolution from an agrarian society begins with "copy-catting".
Odd seeing so much hostility, then a quote by St. Thomas Aquinas.
Z
I agree patly with the anology that China is like Japan 40 yrs ago but the Japanese at least had signed the various IP treaties. China doesn't respect (although it may claim it does) patents, trade marks, design registration and that is where the differance lies. Its driven purely by low cost labor.
I haven't got lofty ideals about loss of jobs, its the World economy and it will always go for low labour cost. For me, I'm fed up with buying rubbish all the time, even from the major manufacturers who make stuff over there, it breaks down or doesn't work out of the box. I would honestly pay more for a quality product which I know will last a few months at least. For me and quite a few people I know The Made In China mark is a serious turn off-I noticed that on the 2G Shuffle Apple have the Made In China partly (well you have to try hard to find it!)hidden behind the clip.
I haven't got lofty ideals about loss of jobs, its the World economy and it will always go for low labour cost. For me, I'm fed up with buying rubbish all the time, even from the major manufacturers who make stuff over there, it breaks down or doesn't work out of the box. I would honestly pay more for a quality product which I know will last a few months at least. For me and quite a few people I know The Made In China mark is a serious turn off-I noticed that on the 2G Shuffle Apple have the Made In China partly (well you have to try hard to find it!)hidden behind the clip.
No inovatinf
Prada Phone just prove one more time, that iPhone has nothing revolutionary or innovative but design.All features that Jobs introduced as "Innovations" or "reinventing" already exists at other smart phones, or at least, as Multi Touch, invented by someone else.
Other thing - the people hate touch screens. The proof - despite touch screens in use about 20 years, it didn't catch significant market share. It's being using only at the places where people have no place or choice. Like restaurants or ATM. Until now most ATM dubbed with hard coded keys. There are no touch screens at houses or touch screens keyboards or manage boards for comps. Most of the people will always prefer keyboard to touch screen, and mobile device is no exception for this
Prada Phone just prove one more time, that iPhone has nothing revolutionary or innovative but design.All features that Jobs introduced as "Innovations" or "reinventing" already exists at other smart phones, or at least, as Multi Touch, invented by someone else.
Other thing - the people hate touch screens. The proof - despite touch screens in use about 20 years, it didn't catch significant market share. It's being using only at the places where people have no place or choice. Like restaurants or ATM. Until now most ATM dubbed with hard coded keys. There are no touch screens at houses or touch screens keyboards or manage boards for comps. Most of the people will always prefer keyboard to touch screen, and mobile device is no exception for this
Don't judge every phone as a 6682
I hope your satisfied with your iPhone after you find out how limited it is, and its all just candy eye and half a months rent!
May I ask what phone you have?
More on topic than my last post -
My SE T 637 is a good phone, voicemail works well, as do texts. That's all I use it for as the screen's too small and so are the buttons - even though it syncs perfectly over BT with my Macs.
I have a Dell Axim with WinCE5.5 or something that syncs with my PC and has a screen big enough for my old eyes to read e-mail and the notes and locations of appointments and meetings. I can even use my finger instead of the stylus if I'm careful.
I have a bunch of iPods that get used for car audio and docked at my desk and other stuff.
I'm going to get an iPhone that will do all of that in one package. Also looking forward to a real web browser without being a software geek... I'm more of a hardware geek.
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My SE T 637 is a good phone, voicemail works well, as do texts. That's all I use it for as the screen's too small and so are the buttons - even though it syncs perfectly over BT with my Macs.
I have a Dell Axim with WinCE5.5 or something that syncs with my PC and has a screen big enough for my old eyes to read e-mail and the notes and locations of appointments and meetings. I can even use my finger instead of the stylus if I'm careful.
I have a bunch of iPods that get used for car audio and docked at my desk and other stuff.
I'm going to get an iPhone that will do all of that in one package. Also looking forward to a real web browser without being a software geek... I'm more of a hardware geek.
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I'm in Helsinki. I believe the nearest Apple Store is in London. Draw your own conclusions.
Offtopic: This is really getting pathetic. Every single nook and cranny in USA has an Apple Store. There are handful of stores in Europe, all of them in the UK. What about rest of us? "You guys don't matter". Well, gee thanks.
I really don't see much similarities between the two, apart from both being handheld-devices with a large screen. And that dictates quite a bit of the resulting overall design. We need to look at the details, and the details are different. iPhone has rounded corners, Newton does not. Newton has curved surface, iPhone is flat. iPhone is metal/plastic, Newton is 100% plastic.
The US was NOT copycatting like the Chinese 150 years ago. They were inventing. Geniusing. Communism/Marxism breeds an unholy materialism, which in turn has bred kleptocracies in the former USSR and a thieving, counterfeiting culture in China -- vastly different mindsets than the U.S. Korea (South) or Japan. Read De Toqueville's comparison of the nascent US and Russia in the 1830's.
The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy... I appreciate the beauty of Jobs and Ives' machines it stirs me to anger to see them being stolen from. I'm not hostile, I'm impatient for justice to fall on the Chinese counterfeiting culture. Jobs should know that you lay down with dogs, you get fleas...
LOL.... “like omigawd” (in my best valley girl impression)...
... competition is great. It will hopefully drive down prices and increase quality for all phones.“Like, oh my God” (expresses shock). The word “like” is often used alone as a filler such as “um” or “uh”. It is sometimes euphemistically spelled “omigod” or “omigawd”.
Specs
Can someone post or is there already a detailed tabled comparison on all four phones?
(based on the confirmed specs)
this way every one can argue on the same facts without missing any features
three innovative things that all have in common:
all touch-screen, all large screen w/ auto-rotate, all play mp3/video
my opinion so far (based on the facts I read/heard so far)
iphone - great product, no doubt in that.
my favorite features (when first shown): great design, great UI, multi-touch, large display, 8GB, full screen video, portrait/landscape auto-change, 802.11g
what is bothering me? network binding, no 3rd app, forecasted price in europe (4GB, EUR 899, about $1.200) in US still $499, no UMTS w/ HSPDA support, only 1 camera at 2 mega pixels
miniOne - nearly a 100% clone as far as I can tell - same design, similar display, specs are a little better (higher resolution, smaller, 3 mega pixels, 2nd cam) - I found no info on capacity, network or price so far - future will tell
LG KE850 - like the design, comparable resolution, also 2 mega pixels, about EUR 600 ($780) w/ no carrier (!!) but no UMTS or 802.11 ? only 8MB internally plus SD slot ??
F700 - not much info here - its a little thicker, touch-screen but still a key pad, smaller screen 2.78in, but 5 mega pixels camera
Therefore:
some thoughts on improvement for the iphone(pimp my iphone ;-)
- add UMTS w/HSPDA & 802.11n (should happen)
- bump-up to 4-6 mega pixels and add 2nd camera for video calling (could happen)
- increase resolution (could happen)
- increase capacity (will happen, sometime - I think no questions on that)
- open-up for other networks (will definitely not happen)
- offer same price in europe (out of the question, since overhere every single product costs more)
the main questions, though, remains: who stole who's technology/ideas/design well, design-wise my vote goes to Apple, but on the other hand, competition is good and hopefully this will lead to even better products
Can someone post or is there already a detailed tabled comparison on all four phones?
(based on the confirmed specs)
this way every one can argue on the same facts without missing any features
three innovative things that all have in common:
all touch-screen, all large screen w/ auto-rotate, all play mp3/video
my opinion so far (based on the facts I read/heard so far)
iphone - great product, no doubt in that.
my favorite features (when first shown): great design, great UI, multi-touch, large display, 8GB, full screen video, portrait/landscape auto-change, 802.11g
what is bothering me? network binding, no 3rd app, forecasted price in europe (4GB, EUR 899, about $1.200) in US still $499, no UMTS w/ HSPDA support, only 1 camera at 2 mega pixels
miniOne - nearly a 100% clone as far as I can tell - same design, similar display, specs are a little better (higher resolution, smaller, 3 mega pixels, 2nd cam) - I found no info on capacity, network or price so far - future will tell
LG KE850 - like the design, comparable resolution, also 2 mega pixels, about EUR 600 ($780) w/ no carrier (!!) but no UMTS or 802.11 ? only 8MB internally plus SD slot ??
F700 - not much info here - its a little thicker, touch-screen but still a key pad, smaller screen 2.78in, but 5 mega pixels camera
Therefore:
some thoughts on improvement for the iphone(pimp my iphone ;-)
- add UMTS w/HSPDA & 802.11n (should happen)
- bump-up to 4-6 mega pixels and add 2nd camera for video calling (could happen)
- increase resolution (could happen)
- increase capacity (will happen, sometime - I think no questions on that)
- open-up for other networks (will definitely not happen)
- offer same price in europe (out of the question, since overhere every single product costs more)
the main questions, though, remains: who stole who's technology/ideas/design well, design-wise my vote goes to Apple, but on the other hand, competition is good and hopefully this will lead to even better products
Osx
OSX is the main reason why i will go for the iphone instead off any other phone, i want it to just work. And by the looks off things the only thing they are getting close with on the clones are the way it looks , no osx and no multitouch screen, in my eyes , that makes it no comparasing.
But i have to admit i am a bit biast when it comes to apple ;-).
OSX is the main reason why i will go for the iphone instead off any other phone, i want it to just work. And by the looks off things the only thing they are getting close with on the clones are the way it looks , no osx and no multitouch screen, in my eyes , that makes it no comparasing.
But i have to admit i am a bit biast when it comes to apple ;-).
agreed, its not the same OSX as we know it, the software for iPhone has been purpose built for mobile device and has OSX label slapped on it to give it some association with a very popular and trusted product that many of us use everyday.
and people shall fall for it.
What Apple really needs is a copyright lawsuit management app.
iLife, iWork and iClaim
LOL !!!
Yep! But I believe the battery will last longer than two years, or be replaced by my warrenty, and it most likely will cost less than $75.
People dislike touchscreens because of the way they're currently implemented. On my Sony Ericsson to scroll you had to use a stylus to click a tiny scroll arrow (far too small to click with a finger) or drag the scroll thumb up and down - not the easiest thing with a stylus! It became a chore to use, hence you naturally do everything you can to avoid having to use it.
The flicking up and down with a finger is so much quicker and more direct I think it will change how people feel about using touchscreens.