Fo shiz, just bought a new battery for my Samsung for 29.99. I only have to charge my phone every few days now on a 4 year old phone!
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Fo shiz, just bought a new battery for my Samsung for 29.99. I only have to charge my phone every few days now on a 4 year old phone!
I have had a new phone every two years for the past 6 years. I paid ~100 dollars for the first one, nothing for the second (new contract, new phone) and $50 for my third (new contract, new phone). I don't see that too hard to afford.
The iPhone is not just a phone and should not be compared to the crap service providers give away.
It is not about defending Apple, its about defending the features we find important. If I have to have EDGE, a non-removable battery, and Cingular, fine, because I get Wi-Fi, amazing multimedia play back, and seamless syncing with my Mac.
Again, its not that anybody is ripping anybody off, its just funny to see all these touch screen phones making headlines.
Yeah I know, I bought an extended battery for my Nokia for like 40 bucks. It gave me a lot more talk time!
I was trying to say that having a removable battery is nice, but I don't find it a deal-breaker when buying a high end device like the iPhone.
So your fine with buying a 600 dollar phone with a measly 8 gigs (and no removable storage), and either buy a new one in 2 years when the battery starts dying, or paying apple an additional 79-129 dollars to replace the battery?
yeh, and with the iPhone that wont be possible. You will have to pay Apple a hundred bucks or so, just to use the phone you already paid 600 for. That's a load of crap if ya ask me.
yeh, and with the iPhone that wont be possible. You will have to pay Apple a hundred bucks or so, just to use the phone you already paid 600 for. That's a load of crap if ya ask me.
I completely agree, the sooner Apple get full 3G into an iPhone, the sooner I can waste some money on it. I sure am hell not going from 3G internet access back to something which will take as long to load as WAP did for me 6 years ago, (faster speed+more data=same speed).
Firstly, there's many ways you can implement a touch screen, just look at the current market to get an idea. Then add that it's multi-touch, not basic touch and you get a more natural feel. Camera on the front? Why are so many on MR going on about cameras on the front of phones at the moment? Does nobody around here own one that already has one? They are purely for video calls on 3G, one reason why the iPhone doesn't yet have one. While I agree it feels like a step back having a non-replaceable battery, how many around here say "The iPod doesn't have a user replaceable battery, think I'll go for a clone of it that looks identical, but has the facility for me to change the battery myself"? I know I don't see it much.
Yes, many have been in development for a while, but not the 2+ years Apple have been doing this thing. If they had, surely we would have heard more about them beforehand, they would have potentially been able to use multi-touch before Apple announced the iPhone, (thus either allowing them to do so, or forcing Apple's hand by threatening patent litigation). To me and most of the tech world, it seems a little too coincidental that within the space of a couple of months either side of the iPhone, (and well within times when all rumours pointed to a multi-touch, keypad-less interface), pretty much every other manufacturer has released a near identical model and claimed Apple copied them. If they have proof, sue Apple, because I'm sure any court would have lots of fun looking over Apple's R&D over the last two years and comparing what others were doing, before deciding how much they owe Apple.
Just to be clear
Forgetting the other two phones for a sec, I think LG was reacting to the fact that many bloggers were referring to the Prada as an iphone knockoff, when in fact, they had revealed their phone before. Not having the hype machine apple does hurts, especially when you've dropped a ton of money on a licensing deal with a name like Prada, and everyone calls you a clone.
Forgetting the other two phones for a sec, I think LG was reacting to the fact that many bloggers were referring to the Prada as an iphone knockoff, when in fact, they had revealed their phone before. Not having the hype machine apple does hurts, especially when you've dropped a ton of money on a licensing deal with a name like Prada, and everyone calls you a clone.
No cell phone is going to beat my Rebel SLR. Not by a long shot.I imagine image quality will increase, but given the nature of the device it's attached to it's really not a big deal.
Can't wait to see what your pants look like with a Canon Rebel in your pocket. I'm going to guess "ridiculous" is my answer.
You just can't get over the fact that sometimes people want to take a photo of something, and yet they don't have a (decent) camera on hand.
My friend just bought an old, used phone for around $15 USD, and it comes with a 3 MP camera.
Yup. In 2 years I will be buying another phone anyways, as will probably most of the other early adopters. You don't think that the iPhone won't improve as well as drop in price?
Ever hear of E-bay? I'll bet even a 2 year old iPhone will be worth some decent money.
So how do you know the price of the battery replacement?
Since when is a PHONE with 8 gigs considered "measly"?
And still, a camera is not a high priority item on a cell phone. If it takes higher quality shots..great. If not, eh I'll live with this just fine.
Abstract, I was being facetious genious. Obviously I'm not going to seriously compare a camera phone with a pro level camera.
Abstract, I was being facetious genious. Obviously I'm not going to seriously compare a camera phone with a pro level camera.
Ain't Seen Nothing Yet
So there are cosmetic similarities - you haven't seen everything yet on the iPhone. I honestly don't think Steve and the Gang are stupid enough to show the whole works, and then essentially give the competition 5 months to catch up/rip off. Whenever this thing is ready for ship, we're gonna see some further innovation/feature/function that Steve just happened to gloss over this last time.
After all, who says he had the thing in its full final form on-stage?
So there are cosmetic similarities - you haven't seen everything yet on the iPhone. I honestly don't think Steve and the Gang are stupid enough to show the whole works, and then essentially give the competition 5 months to catch up/rip off. Whenever this thing is ready for ship, we're gonna see some further innovation/feature/function that Steve just happened to gloss over this last time.
After all, who says he had the thing in its full final form on-stage?
That's just the mega-pixel myth talking. Throwing in more MP isn't going to improve the camera, you realize that, right? It's about the quality of the sensor, and the relation between sensor size and MP count. Cramming 5MP onto such a small sensor will only result in significantly larger photos with a similar quality of 2MP. In other words, take a picture with a 2MP camera, and increase the size to what a 5MP camera would produce. Bad image quality is all you're getting. Well, and a bigger picture, so you can see the noise better.
Well, it is the quality of the lens that matter. The plastic lens usually found on phones dont do much to quality. And as you said, higher MP only gives you bigger picture with same resolution/noise as lower MP. Now if apple can do something in this regard to come up with some innovative idea of cramming good lenses on iPhone, that would be great. Or who knows they might? we just haven't seen a demo of that yet. Also, remember some of this noise, etc can be dealt in the software also. So apple will probably (hopefully) come up with a better solution to this problem, thus providing good quality even at lower specs.
Funny, the same was said about Japan. Actually, it still is by those who don't want to believe the students can outperform the teachers. Then, some day, we all wake up and ask "What happened to GM?"...
There are "phones" with all that, but is there a phone that carry all these features and then carry out functions extremely well. What I know from usage of many phones so far is that each of these phones will be quite good at one or two aspects (take famous RAZR - super slim but just look at its software and ease of use; Argh....completely non-sense, want to throw it underneath my car's tires) but there are very few phones which will do good on all areas. Nokia won out with good ease of use with all the features they provided.
So far we have seen that in many or most apple products, easy of use is foremost. Lets see how this one will come out! Although I personally think that this company is legendary for ease of use. So I will definitely go for lower specs but functionally wise making every bit of the least important function available on it. Right now, I dont think I use even more than 10% of functions on the phones I have used. Hope that helps to clear some clouds why it doesn't matter to have it all, what matters is how it does all it has!
There are "phones" with all that, but is there a phone that carry all these features and then carry out functions extremely well. What I know from usage of many phones so far is that each of these phones will be quite good at one or two aspects (take famous RAZR - super slim but just look at its software and ease of use; Argh....completely non-sense, want to throw it underneath my car's tires) but there are very few phones which will do good on all areas. Nokia won out with good ease of use with all the features they provided.
So far we have seen that in many or most apple products, easy of use is foremost. Lets see how this one will come out! Although I personally think that this company is legendary for ease of use. So I will definitely go for lower specs but functionally wise making every bit of the least important function available on it. Right now, I dont think I use even more than 10% of functions on the phones I have used. Hope that helps to clear some clouds why it doesn't matter to have it all, what matters is how it does all it has!
Actually there is phone that can do all those well. There is the Nokia N and E-series phones. And there there is the the HTC phones(TyTn, Herms just to name a few). Granted some of the Nokia and HTC phone will 4gig space comes from an SD(any format I guess) card, but 4gigs is 4gigs no matter how you look at it.
1000 years ahead? i dont think so....Steve only said......5 years! haha
however take a look at these oh-my-god function of the Meizu!!!
720 x 480 px screen
3mp camera
SHARP / NEC already shipped their mobile with 2.4 inch LCD in VGA resolution....and I have been using phone with 3mp for more than a year...
Apple have the ability to make it better, but why they didnt?! The components are available, the technology is ready, and the price is not a big deal i suppose....
Don't judge every phone as a 6682
I hope your satisfied with your iPhone after you find out how limited it is, and its all just candy eye and half a months rent!
We'll ignore the fact that a couple of those phones were announced before the iPhone was even announced in Jan. (Specifically the LG phone won an award for best design in Dec.) But hey. Why bother with pesky things like facts. The all screen phone is not a new concept.
Simple. size. Jobs has a size fetish about his wares. He is willing to sacrifice features over form. *shrugs*
PS- Oh and you know what is going to make these things winners over the iPhone? Price and availability. Unlike the iPod the iPhone can only be obtained by signing your life away to another 2 year contract with Cingular. These other phones will probably be able to be purchased through your current provider or can be purchased outright somewhere else without needing to sell a kidney to get one.
The all screen phone is not a new concept.Apple have the ability to make it better, but why they didnt?! The components are available, the technology is ready, and the price is not a big deal i suppose....
Simple. size. Jobs has a size fetish about his wares. He is willing to sacrifice features over form. *shrugs*
PS- Oh and you know what is going to make these things winners over the iPhone? Price and availability. Unlike the iPod the iPhone can only be obtained by signing your life away to another 2 year contract with Cingular. These other phones will probably be able to be purchased through your current provider or can be purchased outright somewhere else without needing to sell a kidney to get one.
Hopefully
Hopefully, someone will point out this comparison to LG and they will drop it. Unless it's because the Newton wasn't a phone so it wouldn't matter?
Yeah, ok?
I think it is safe to say this is the thing the iPhone was copied after:
Hopefully, someone will point out this comparison to LG and they will drop it. Unless it's because the Newton wasn't a phone so it wouldn't matter?
Whilst I agree that the iPhone is a good product, but it is nowhere as 'innovative' as people here are pointing it out to be.
I have a Nokia E50 that cost me around $200. It has Symbian 9.1(3rd edition) as its OS.
The first thing that I didn't like about the iPhone was that it won't support third party apps. I have a lot of respect for Steve Jobs, but the whole thing about networks going down because of third party applications is BS. Plain and simple BS.
My $200 phone supports third party applications. I can install Google Maps, Yahoo GO, Yahoo Messenger and MSN Messenger. Heck there are multi-IM messengers for the platform.
There is an application called Fring. I can use the VOIP and IM functionality of Skype AND Google Talk right on my phone. For free. Heck, even OS 10.4.8 on my Mac Mini doesn't have a single app that supports the VOIP functionality of Google Talk.
The mp3 player on my Symbian phone supports AAC, WMA and MP3 songs. I can install a small app to get OGG support.
Videos? I use SmartMovie and DivX that allow me to play 320x240 videos both in landscape and portrait modes. mp4, dix, xvid. The inbuilt realplayer is good too.
Before someone tells me about Safari on iPhone, I'd like to point out that Webkit is pre-installed on my Symbian phone. RSS feeds, AJAX support, multi-window support, Flash support right on the phone. Yes, it renders full pages.
http://s60.com/business/productinfo/applicationsandtechnologies/webrowser/techinfo
If that wasn't enough, Opera is coming out with v9 of its web browser for Symbian. V8.65 is very good, v9 will be better.
I can edit PDF, DOC, XLS files using Quickoffice and OfficeSuite.
As for security and the whole 'network going down' thing, on v9.x symbian phones, applications require a developer certificate to install on your phone. This certificate is provided by Nokia(correct me if I am wrong). You can also get your own certificate, but that will work only on your phone(You have to enter your phone's IMEI no. while getting it signed).
As for the UI, iPhone will have the best UI of all phones. However, Nokia's UI, especially that of its new 9.1 phones is very very good. I have installed a couple of themes, and it looks even better.
Here are some screenshots(Forgive me for using the Vista theme. Vista sucks, but this theme looks really cool on the phone)
The thing that really interests me about the iPhone is its touchscreen functionality. THat is a brilliant innovation The Apple team has again showed that they can do what no one else can do. However, expect for the design and the UI, I do not think that the iPhone is worth paying $499 for. I got a 1 GB kingston card for Rs. 650($10-12).
I have a Nokia E50 that cost me around $200. It has Symbian 9.1(3rd edition) as its OS.
The first thing that I didn't like about the iPhone was that it won't support third party apps. I have a lot of respect for Steve Jobs, but the whole thing about networks going down because of third party applications is BS. Plain and simple BS.
My $200 phone supports third party applications. I can install Google Maps, Yahoo GO, Yahoo Messenger and MSN Messenger. Heck there are multi-IM messengers for the platform.
There is an application called Fring. I can use the VOIP and IM functionality of Skype AND Google Talk right on my phone. For free. Heck, even OS 10.4.8 on my Mac Mini doesn't have a single app that supports the VOIP functionality of Google Talk.
The mp3 player on my Symbian phone supports AAC, WMA and MP3 songs. I can install a small app to get OGG support.
Videos? I use SmartMovie and DivX that allow me to play 320x240 videos both in landscape and portrait modes. mp4, dix, xvid. The inbuilt realplayer is good too.
Before someone tells me about Safari on iPhone, I'd like to point out that Webkit is pre-installed on my Symbian phone. RSS feeds, AJAX support, multi-window support, Flash support right on the phone. Yes, it renders full pages.
http://s60.com/business/productinfo/applicationsandtechnologies/webrowser/techinfo
If that wasn't enough, Opera is coming out with v9 of its web browser for Symbian. V8.65 is very good, v9 will be better.
I can edit PDF, DOC, XLS files using Quickoffice and OfficeSuite.
As for security and the whole 'network going down' thing, on v9.x symbian phones, applications require a developer certificate to install on your phone. This certificate is provided by Nokia(correct me if I am wrong). You can also get your own certificate, but that will work only on your phone(You have to enter your phone's IMEI no. while getting it signed).
As for the UI, iPhone will have the best UI of all phones. However, Nokia's UI, especially that of its new 9.1 phones is very very good. I have installed a couple of themes, and it looks even better.
Here are some screenshots(Forgive me for using the Vista theme
. Vista sucks, but this theme looks really cool on the phone)
The thing that really interests me about the iPhone is its touchscreen functionality. THat is a brilliant innovation
The Apple team has again showed that they can do what no one else can do. However, expect for the design and the UI, I do not think that the iPhone is worth paying $499 for. I got a 1 GB kingston card for Rs. 650($10-12).
We'll ignore the fact that a couple of those phones were announced before the iPhone was even announced in Jan. (Specifically the LG phone won an award for best design in Dec.) But hey. Why bother with pesky things like facts.
Simple. size. Jobs has a size fetish about his wares. He is willing to sacrifice features over form. *shrugs*
PS- Oh and you know what is going to make these things winners over the iPhone? Price and availability. Unlike the iPod the iPhone can only be obtained by signing your life away to another 2 year contract with Cingular. These other phones will probably be able to be purchased through your current provider or can be purchased outright somewhere else without needing to sell a kidney to get one.
Yet LG's KE850 Prada will be even more expensive than the iPhone, by a sugstantially large amount. Try 600 Euros, which comes to around 700 bucks US. And this is for a phone with the OPTION of higher capacity with a MicroSD slot a smaller display and an identical 2MP camera. From the looks of the hardware, I'd say that any accusations against the iPhone could apply doubly on the LG. If you ask me, the LG is a very very poor offer for what you get. After paying 700 bucks, why would anyone want to pay more for a 2-4GB flash card to boost storage?
I've seen a few products suffer from their form factors with design flaws inherent to the fashionable figures (macbook RSD, macbook pro overheating issues), but how were any of these products somehow feature deprived on account of their form factors? What makes the iPhone featureless on account of its form?
Wait, so the F700 is an "iphone-alike" but the iphone isnt an "LG-alike"? The iphone is a hell of a lot more "alike" to the LG than the f700 is to the iphone. The chinese one is a clear ripoff and had every intention of ripping off the iphone, nobody could debate that, but youd have to be a pretty big fanboy to think Samsung is ripping off the iphone with the f700. The interface isnt even remotely similair, either is the design. If anyone should get credit for touchscreen phones and the copycats created by it its LG. This is just a case of touchscreen technology suddenly becoming affordable and every major phone company starting their engines to use it for 2007, any similarities are strictly by coincidence thanks to common sense design.
The iphone offers a lot of things that are unique that other companies arent doing, Im so sick of hearing how every new touchscreen phone coming out is a rip off of the iphone when LG already beat Apple in that area. I also dont understand why a multi touch screen on a phone is innovative or useful, I think the tilt feature is way more interesting and has many more uses than being able to put 2 fingers on your phone.
The iphone offers a lot of things that are unique that other companies arent doing, Im so sick of hearing how every new touchscreen phone coming out is a rip off of the iphone when LG already beat Apple in that area. I also dont understand why a multi touch screen on a phone is innovative or useful, I think the tilt feature is way more interesting and has many more uses than being able to put 2 fingers on your phone.
First off, the Chinese probably knew well in advance what the iPhone was going to look like because Jobs stupidly uses their concentration camps -- whoops, I mean labor camps -- whoops I mean factories to manufacture Apple products. The blatant Chinese rip offs of shuffles ipods etc., even using Apple plastic die forms -- is sickening.
Then when one factors in that North Korea does most of its lord and master China's bidding politically (c'mon, now, WHO supplied Kim I SO LONELY Jong Ill whatever with nukes?), then one factors in that in the commie mindset, economic warfare is as viable as actual military moves -- these two companies are playing Jobs off each other in order to make him cease and desist in any lawsuit or intellectual property lawsuit that the WTO would HAVE to recognize.
Jobs should sue the HELL out of the Chinese and then pull all Apple factories out of there. Rip off thieves.
Then when one factors in that North Korea does most of its lord and master China's bidding politically (c'mon, now, WHO supplied Kim I SO LONELY Jong Ill whatever with nukes?), then one factors in that in the commie mindset, economic warfare is as viable as actual military moves -- these two companies are playing Jobs off each other in order to make him cease and desist in any lawsuit or intellectual property lawsuit that the WTO would HAVE to recognize.
Jobs should sue the HELL out of the Chinese and then pull all Apple factories out of there. Rip off thieves.