iPhone ALoD: MAJOR design flaw!!

[interesting]

I have had no problems. None. No dropped calls, no apps crashing, no ALoD. Nothing.

I have upgraded with every firmware as it comes out. I have about 60 apps installed currently. Have had up to 100 at one point until I decided that I didnt want all the crapware anymore.

There are millions of people out there who don't have the issues that you have. So making statements like "the only way to have a functional phone is to jailbreak it" really is stupid. I think you might be a special case. You can argue all you want but in reality the overall iPhone 2.0 experience has been successful.

I know there have been alot of people who have issues and valid ones but you can't say that there are major design flaws because you are part of that 1%. The only major flaw is the 3g sucking too much power. And alot of that blame is shared by the cell networks.

 

[mavis]

So making statements like "the only way to have a functional phone is to jailbreak it" really is stupid. I think you might be a special case.

Is that you think? Well, I'll tell you what I think.

I

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1600894

think

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you

http://arstechnica.com/journals/app...apple-logo-screen-of-death-with-recovery-mode

should

http://www.iphoneatlas.com/2008/08/...creen-of-death-stops-iphones-in-their-tracks/

familiarize

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yourself

http://iphonefreakz.com/2008/09/01/apple-logo-of-death-solution-swod/

with

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the

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problem

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rather

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than

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just

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making

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erroneous

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assumptions

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when

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the

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problem

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is

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documented

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so

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very,

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very

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well.




But hey, if you still want to think it's just me, go ahead and knock yourself out.

 

[Justinerator]

xUKHCx, Sticky possibly? This definitely will help all of those (one being me) with the issue!

Thanks mavis!

 

[interesting]

Is that you think? Well, I'll tell you what I think.

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But hey, if you still want to think it's just me, go ahead and knock yourself out.

So great, you went and found 23 internet forum threads with all the same people posting in them. Sure your problem has been made well known by a SMALL vocal PORTION of the total user base. SO yeah keep on living in your little world that revolves around you.

BTW your "fix" is a poor offering. Suggestiing that someone jailbreak their phone and muck up the firmware is no fix. Also, 40 restores!?!? Settle down with it man. 40? Really? wouldn't you try something different after, I dunno, 5 or 10? Did you even consider having fewer apps until a fix is made? No, you are too stubborn. I hear your 3-hour-on-the-train argument and think, "Why doesnt this guy buy some movies or something with his $250?" Do you honestly play all 75 apps every day during your commute? What is your attention span like if that is what you need to do to function? I think you need to get a grip. Just a little one.

 

[mavis]

So great you went and found 23 internet forum thread swith all the same people posting in them. Sure your problem has been made well know by a SMALL vocal PORTION of the total user base. SO yeah keep on living in your little world that revolves around you.

That's all you've got? I mean, you obviously didn't bother clicking on any of those non-internet-forum links (can't say I'm surprised) but to actually bother with a response admitting as much - it's kind of funny. It's almost as though you really don't want this problem to exist, if only because its existence will prove you wrong. Seems a little sad to me. Anyway, good luck with the head-in-the-sand approach. If you're lucky, it might just take you places!

 

[mavis]

xUKHCx, Sticky possibly? This definitely will help all of those (one being me) with the issue!

Thanks mavis!

I'm glad it was helpful.

It's a real shame the people who are lucky enough to not be having problems insist on crapping all over this thread, pointing fingers and flinging accusations and trying to dictate to us how we should use our phones. But I'm glad the instructions I posted have been helpful to everyone else.

 

[lakaiordie]

dont jailbreak your iphone then.

stop ****ing with it.



i dont have problems with mine.

 

[mavis]

dont jailbreak your iphone then.

stop ****ing with it.



i dont have problems with mine.

I think it's great that you haven't had any problems. But lots of people have. The only solution to the problem we're discussing (besides restoring, if you could even call that a solution) is to jailbreak and install OpenSSH. If you're unclear on why that is, please go back and re-read the first post in this thread. Thanks.

 

[interesting]

Yeah that is "all I got." I did click your links to articles. SO what. There are articles about it. I read them. I know about the problem. You still havn't shown the evidence that this is something that warrents "major design flaw." Millions of people just dont have the problem. I think your(and others) habits with the device are the issue. I dont think anyone should tell you not to have the habits but it is reasonable to suggest a little restraint until unforeseen problems can be addressed. Doesn't that sound reasonable? Probably not to you. Everything must be perfect and if not it should be fixed overnight. Enjoy your misery.

I still shake my head at the ammount of restores you have performed. That is the biggest indicator about your issue.

 

[mavis]

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Enjoy your misery.

I still shake my head at the ammount of restores you have performed. That is the biggest indicator about your issue.

What misery? My iPhone works great now! If it makes you feel any better (and helps to stop your poor head from shaking) I haven't had to restore ONCE since I finally jailbroke. Come to think of it, THAT was the whole point of this thread. It's so easy to lose track of little details like that with people like you telling me that I'm responsible for Apple's shoddy programming. But thanks for sharing!

 

[elduende]

only to tell for those not jaillbreaked that this worked for me

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=6186399#post6186399

 

[mavis]

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only to tell for those not jaillbreaked that this worked for me

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=6186399#post6186399

Thanks for posting. People are reporting mixed success with that method (in my case it worked two out of five times) as opposed to the OpenSSH method's 100% success rate. But you're right, some people might want to give it a shot rather than having to jailbreak. Thanks for posting!

 

[lakaiordie]

I think it's great that you haven't had any problems. But lots of people have. The only solution to the problem we're discussing (besides restoring, if you could even call that a solution) is to jailbreak and install OpenSSH. If you're unclear on why that is, please go back and re-read the first post in this thread. Thanks.

i think if i had to restore so many times id just go get a new one.

 

[GreenLightJerky]

i think if i had to restore so many times id just go get a new one.

Thats what I did.
After the 10th time of the ALoD I went to see a Genius(term is used loosely for sure) at the Apple Store. His solution was to restore it on their computer using a known good copy of iTunes and 2.0.2.
After 30 mins I took it home and had to sync with my computer as a new phone and install the apps again etc (almost 2 hours).
10 minutes after it was done the ALoD came up again so I drove back to the store immediately and the guys remembered me and set up another appointment for with in 30 minutes. The guy checked for water damage and then gave me a new phone.
The old one must have had other issues because this new phone is "snappier".

 

[TheSpaz]

Thats what I did.
After the 10th time of the ALoD I went to see a Genius(term is used loosely for sure) at the Apple Store. His solution was to restore it on their computer using a known good copy of iTunes and 2.0.2.
After 30 mins I took it home and had to sync with my computer as a new phone and install the apps again etc (almost 2 hours).
10 minutes after it was done the ALoD came up again so I drove back to the store immediately and the guys remembered me and set up another appointment for with in 30 minutes. The guy checked for water damage and then gave me a new phone.
The old one must have had other issues because this new phone is "snappier".

COOL! So you haven't had ALoD with this iPhone yet? Perhaps there's more going on than we think.

 

[GreenLightJerky]

COOL! So you haven't had ALoD with this iPhone yet? Perhaps there's more going on than we think.

Not a single problem.
I was getting about 4-5 hours usage and 20 hours stand by with my old phone.
now I get 6-7 hours (same usage pattern) and easily over 1 day and a half of stand by.
Its awesome. The Safari browser is definitely faster as well.

The replacement 3g has more apps on it too.

 

[mavis]

i think if i had to restore so many times id just go get a new one.

I did. It ALoD'd too.

And my iPod Touch started ALoD'ing as well, once I installed the 2.0 software upgrade. It had worked perfectly on every firmware since 1.1.1, but suddenly started ALoD'ing the day (day after?) I installed 2.0. So I highly doubt it has anything to do with the hardware.

 

[pj rage]

I did. It ALoD'd too.

And my iPod Touch started ALoD'ing as well, once I installed the 2.0 software upgrade. It had worked perfectly on every firmware since 1.1.1, but suddenly started ALoD'ing the day (day after?) I installed 2.0. So I highly doubt it has anything to do with the hardware.

I don't mean to say it's your fault, because it's not, it's apple's, but you don't think it's weird that you've personally had multiple iphones and a touch ALoD while 99.9% of us have never seen it? It HAS to be SOMETHING you are doing that is causing it. Again, not saying you are doing anything wrong, just saying that something you are personally doing differently than everyone else is exploiting this bug that apple obviously needs to fix asap. I wonder what it is, exactly?

 

[mavis]

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I did. It ALoD'd too.

And my iPod Touch started ALoD'ing as well, once I installed the 2.0 software upgrade. It had worked perfectly on every firmware since 1.1.1, but suddenly started ALoD'ing the day (day after?) I installed 2.0. So I highly doubt it has anything to do with the hardware.

I don't mean to say it's your fault, because it's not, it's apple's, but you don't think it's weird that you've personally had multiple iphones and a touch ALoD while 99.9% of us have never seen it? It HAS to be SOMETHING you are doing that is causing it. Again, not saying you are doing anything wrong, just saying that something you are personally doing differently than everyone else is exploiting this bug that apple obviously needs to fix asap. I wonder what it is, exactly?

Yeah, you're right - it IS strange. But the other people affected by this problem aren't just Mac users like me (so you can rule out rig-specific issues) and the apps I've installed have also been installed by thousands of other people (so you can probably rule those out as well) ...

Odd problem, to be sure. But an infuriating one.

 

[blue2noise]

Is there a way to enter these commands from windows using WinSCP?

I am another one of those people who get the ALOD constantly and i am so tired of it. I'm using a Vista machine, however and I hope there is a way for me to follow these steps.

 

[tallyho]

I don't mean to say it's your fault, because it's not, it's apple's, but you don't think it's weird that you've personally had multiple iphones and a touch ALoD while 99.9% of us have never seen it? It HAS to be SOMETHING you are doing that is causing it. Again, not saying you are doing anything wrong, just saying that something you are personally doing differently than everyone else is exploiting this bug that apple obviously needs to fix asap. I wonder what it is, exactly?

I'm not sure about this. Until a couple of days ago I was in the "I've never had an ALOD" brigade, but now it's happened to me twice (currently in the middle of my second restore). I was not downloading an app from the app store when it happened, so I'm not sure what I did to make it happen! 2.1 had better fix this.

 

[TheSpaz]

What happens when Apple releases 2.1 for the iPhone... will you upgrade and hope your problem is fixed or will you stay on 2.0.2 jailbroken to make sure you can get out of your problem if it occurs?

 

[mavis]

What happens when Apple releases 2.1 for the iPhone... will you upgrade and hope your problem is fixed or will you stay on 2.0.2 jailbroken to make sure you can get out of your problem if it occurs?

Actually, I've already installed 2.1 on my touch, and it fixes the problem. Apps no longer take me 19 minutes to install - only a minute or so now - and I can FINALLY use the App Store icon on the iPod itself - again, only a minute or so to upgrade or install something new. It is also substantially faster than 2.0.X - apps launch faster, respond faster to input, and close faster as well.

So to answer your question, I plan on restoring to 'virgin' 2.0.2 Friday night, then upgrading to 2.1 immediately afterward. Given the number of bug fixes I've observed so far, and the substantial UI speed bump, I think it would be pretty silly not too. And since ALoDs seem to be a thing of the past, it doesn't appear that having OpenSSH is necessary any longer. I only wish it hadn't taken Apple TWO MONTHS to finally release decent firmware - 2.1 is what 2.0 should've been from the beginning.

 

[Mikey B]

i can certainly attest to having had multiple ALoDs over multiple iPhones. so many its actually rather sickening. I think some one above posted a link to this, but i'm not sure. another method to get out of the ALoD that seems to have worked for a lot of people:

1. Connect to iTunes via USB. Do not disconnect for rest of these steps. iTunes may appear frozen or stuck with spinning beachball....this is okay, do not Force Quit iTunes. I tried a few times w/o it being connected to iTunes and it doesn't work.
2. Once connected, hold Home + Power until screen blinks then Apple logo comes back up.
3. Wait until Apple logo dims slightly (~5 minutes or less). Do NOT reboot until the apple logo dims.
4. Hold Home + Power again until it reboots and Apple logo comes back up.
5. After 2 min or so, the phone may vibrate once or twice. Continue waiting for the full 5 min until Apple logo dims slightly. iTunes at this stage MAY recognize the phone...do not sync or do anything in iTunes.
6. Hold Home + Power for the 3rd time until it reboots. Phone may vibrate again after 2 minutes or so. Eventually you'll break into your Home screen.

it actually hasn't worked for me, though...

it amazes me that people are jumping all over the OP. the only thing i'm "doing" to my iPhone when the ALoD strikes is updating, deleting, or installing apps. but....NEWSFLASH...that's the whole point of that little "AppStore" icon on your home screen and in your iTunes. it hasn't matter whether i had 5 apps or 50, and sometimes the ALoD has just happened for no reason at all. just *POOF* and welcome to the land of the eternal boot screen...

mavis- i wouldn't worry about restoring to a stock 2.0.2 before you upgrade. just put your iPhone into DFU before you upgrade and it will perform a complete and clean restore. thanks for posting your thread.

people, this is not only 1% of iPhone OS 2.0 users. there are a lot of people with this problem. visit any iPhone-related forum and you'll see plenty of ALoD posts.

and finally, for those of you that think jailbreaking in any way brings this issue about, time to do your research. jailbreaking does NOTHING harmful to the device. all it does is open up the file system. nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Claytybob]

State of Problem in 2.1

Hello All,
I though the guide to fix this is GREAT!!! I fixed My iPod touch with it thinking it was brokeded :/ ... Anyways...Once I found out it was this was the problem i was having I fixed it using your guide! Also, some report it fixed in 2.1 but it is NOT!!! I will post a log from xcode once it rehappens (****ing Xcode reloading the god damn console file) Can someone find out where the HardWare Checks are? Because if you can find them, I can make an cydia package to fix it...
Hope This Helps,
Clayton