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Apologies for threadjacking. I personally love these threads. It's seriously funny how protective people get regarding their OS of choice. A full 99% of them have no idea what they are arguing about. FACT (Wikipedia verified).
Probably closer to 99.5%.

:D
 
I too own a first gen Nexus and it works just fine. There seems to be no lack of apps available for it and while sure, it shows signs of being a first gen, now 18 month old device, it certainly isn't by any stretch of the imagination useless. Again, YMMV, but I'd try and update it to Kit Kat and see if that helps any.

Just look at the third party support for iOS it completely obliterates any google product.
 
I'm not saying anything else - Google makes money by selling ads when you browse the web. It's better for them if you also use their services as they can target you with ads, but if you don't they'll still show ads to you and make money off you. So they couldn't really care less what platform people are using, as long as those people do a lot of web browsing.
They make money when people CLICKTHROUGH ads.

If you use a standalone e-mail client and avoid Gmail as a webmail service, you are not seeing any ads. Worse is if you use IMAP from a different e-mail service provider, like Zoho or GMX. Google despises this because then they can't even index your message content.

Also, browser ad blockers prevent Google from serving up ads. I am a longtime proponent of blocking ads on web browsers (way back to the Internet Junkbuster days). Why? Internet security:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-20016517-83.html
http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20040367-245.html
http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20000898-245.html

My reasoning is unassailable and I don't have to apologize to anyone for using ad blockers to protect myself on the Internet.

Today, I use AdBlock on my Mac's Safari, Chrome, and Firefox as well as the Ghostery script blocker. On my iOS devices, I tend to use the Atomic or Ghostery web browsers.

DuckDuckGo gets the majority of my initial search inquiries.

I never use webmail, only view my mail with a standalone e-mail client (no ads).

I do use Google Voice, but stricter telecommunication privacy laws prevents Google from indexing voice messages or recording conversations realtime so they really don't get anything from me there.
 
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I'm not saying anything else - Google makes money by selling ads when you browse the web. It's better for them if you also use their services as they can target you with ads, but if you don't they'll still show ads to you and make money off you. So they couldn't really care less what platform people are using, as long as those people do a lot of web browsing.

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Well, in Italy, WP8 is ahead of iOS ;-)

Again market share .... useless.
Wp8 here mostly is just one device: Nokia 520 sold for 130€ (iPhone starts at 629€).
Yes, they are gaining market share .... and most of those doesn't have a data plan :D
 
If only all the Android tablets ever sold were as well made as the Nexus. Unfortunately for that assertion, the vast majority of all Android tablets sold are garbage tablets that cost $100 and are basically unusable right out of the box. Those are the tablets we’re talking about, not the Nexus.

Well to be fair the chart shows "Google", which can only mean Nexus even though it also cites "Samsung" which makes the Nexus 10. Everyone here is talking about "Android" tablets, but that could fall in any category not Windows or iOS. It could even be Amazon, which is even further segregated.

I also say Nexus because personally, I have yet to meet anyone other than myself who has a tablet that's Android that's not a Nexus (I also have a Xoom, wife has a 1st gen N7, I have a N10 - good Lord I have issues...). Just trying to narrow down my point to one device. It's easy to bash the "$100 tablet" and clump all Android tablet usability under that header.
 
Again market share .... useless.
Wp8 here mostly is just one device: Nokia 520 sold for 130€ (iPhone starts at 629€).
Yes, they are gaining market share .... and most of those doesn't have a data plan :D

Yeah, same here with old iPhones. My students predominantly use iPhone 4s with prepaid plans without data.

Apart from that, marketshare isn't useless, as it's the only thing that matters to hardware manufacturers such as Apple and to app developers. Apple couldn't care less how much you browse the web with your iPad.
 
Just look at the third party support for iOS it completely obliterates any google product.

That might have been true at one point, but by the large, most worthwhile apps are available cross platform these days. Very rarely do I see myself unable to download an app/game/magazine that's available in the app store that isn't on Google Play.

In fact, Twitter 3rd party clients seem to do quite well on Android and have a far better offering than iOS; apps that I use more than anything else. So for me, I found having to use the official Twitter app on iOS frustrating and much preferred the apps I use on Android.
 
They make money when people CLICKTHROUGH ads.

If you use a standalone e-mail client and avoid Gmail as a webmail service, you are not seeing any ads.

bollocks. You see ads on every website you visit. Sure, you can use an ad-blocker. How many people do you think use one of those on their iOS devices? Perhaps 0.1%.
 
A $100 tablet is still better than no tablet at all - and those people will never be buying iPads.

I think it’s fair to say that a lot of people buy a cheap Android tablet because they’re weirdly expecting it to work like far more expensive devices, and then when it doesn’t live up to expectations go back to browsing the web on their phone, computer, or whatever else they were using before they had the tablet. Sure there are people out there buying $100 dollar tablets as their only connection to the web, but I would submit that most people would opt for a $100 dollar netbook instead, generating numbers that are not reflected in these statistics.

Basically all I’m saying is that the UX of the Nexus tablets is hardly representative of the Android tablet ecosystem as a whole. By and large, Android tablets fall far short of that standard.
 
That might have been true at one point, but by the large, most worthwhile apps are available cross platform these days. Very rarely do I see myself unable to download an app/game/magazine that's available in the app store that isn't on Google Play.

In fact, Twitter 3rd party clients seem to do quite well on Android and have a far better offering than iOS; apps that I use more than anything else. So for me, I found having to use the official Twitter app on iOS frustrating and much preferred the apps I use on Android.

Correction I meant 3rd party accessories.
 
but I would submit that most people would opt for a $100 dollar netbook instead

Basically all I’m saying is that the UX of the Nexus tablets is hardly representative of the Android tablet ecosystem as a whole. By and large, Android tablets fall far short of that standard.

Netbooks? They're not even being sold anymore.

I agree - there are lots of crappy Android tablets around and I generally prefer my iPad Air over any Android tablet on the market at the moment. But people don't buy Android tablets because they think they're better than the iPad. They buy them because they can't afford an iPad.
 
Yeah, same here with old iPhones. My students predominantly use iPhone 4s with prepaid plans without data.

Apart from that, marketshare isn't useless, as it's the only thing that matters to hardware manufacturers such as Apple and to app developers. Apple couldn't care less how much you browse the web with your iPad.

I still have to see any iPhone user without a data plan ....

Btw Apple couldn't care less about market share: they are looking at revenues.
There isn't any single flagship model in the market that sells comparably with iPhone 5S .... not a single one.
Apple couldn't care less if Nokia sold a lot of 520 in Italy, since their profits about iPhone 5c/5s are waaaay higher.
 
.... or any other country where Android statistics look a little better than those :D

No. Its just that many people (including me) do not live in the US and would like our statistics taken into account for once for a clearer view of what is really going on, be it a loss on Apple's behalf or not.
 
I think it’s fair to say that a lot of people buy a cheap Android tablet because they’re weirdly expecting it to work like far more expensive devices, and then when it doesn’t live up to expectations go back to browsing the web on their phone, computer, or whatever else they were using before they had the tablet. Sure there are people out there buying $100 dollar tablets as their only connection to the web, but I would submit that most people would opt for a $100 dollar netbook instead, generating numbers that are not reflected in these statistics.

Basically all I’m saying is that the UX of the Nexus tablets is hardly representative of the Android tablet ecosystem as a whole. By and large, Android tablets fall far short of that standard.

This.
 
I still have to see any iPhone user without a data plan ....

Btw Apple couldn't care less about market share: they are looking at revenues.
There isn't any single flagship model in the market that sells comparably with iPhone 5S .... not a single one.
Apple couldn't care less if Nokia sold a lot of 520 in Italy, since their profits about iPhone 5c/5s are waaaay higher.

Their profits would be higher on the 5C - that's purely hypothetical, considering the fact that they're not selling. I've yet to see an iPhone 5C in the wild here, TBH.

If you sell 10 million devices with a net margin of 50$, you're still making a bigger profit than when you sell 1 million devices with a net margin of 200$ - so yes, market share does make a difference, no matter what you've talked yourself into believing.
 
Have you ever done anything on an Android device? Most web browsers are a pain to use, with terrible zoom and laggy scrolling. I usually try to find a dedicated app for everything to avoid using the web browser.

iOS devices are a treat to use, so just "doing stuff" is in itself a reward.

What a bad statement. I find the browser selection to be more robust on Android vs. Apple with tons of selection. I set the Chrome Beta browser dpi to 320, force tablet mode and can fit the desktop version of websites on screen without side scrolling. And browsers on Android can use whatever rendering engine they please. No silly rules in order for browsers to get approved.
 
No. Its just that many people (including me) do not live in the US and would like our statistics taken into account for once for a clearer view of what is really going on, be it a loss on Apple's behalf or not.

well, let's be fair: this is an American website and they're primarily catering to the American customer. That's why the numbers published here (as silly as they may be in this case) only talk about the American market. Also, this is a Mac enthusiast site so they're not going to be talking about the fact that iOS is rapidly becoming insignificant in the world's largest markets (China, the EU, Russia etc.). This isn't a problem as long as the readers here also visit other websites where they may actually get some factual information. Unfortunately, some people here don't seem to do that. Or they're simply still caught in Job's reality distortion field. If you head over to the WPCentral.com forums, you'll see the same thing happening with WP8 users. Same goes for Androidcentral or Google+. Arguments on (somewhat) neutral websites such as Engadget or theverge.com aren't nearly as heated as here.

I really can't blame macrumors, though - they're doing a great job targeting their articles at their core audience. My problem is just that while I use a ton of Apple products and believe that many of them are great, unmatched even, I don't like all Apple products equally. I have an iPhone 5S because I need it for work - but I absolutely hate iOS 7. It's buggy, it's laggy (for the first time ever on an iPhone) and I find it butt ugly. I use a Lumia 1520 as my primary device. Unfortunately, people are going to hate you here if you say that publicly. But I guess I can live with that.



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The chrome book but it's not worth the mention!

Chromebooks cost drastically more than 100$. They're laptop replacements, not tablet replacements. And as such, they're starting to matter:

http://bgr.com/2013/07/10/google-chromebook-market-share-2013/

especially as they're starting to eat into Macbook sales big time.
 
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People buy iPhones because they want a smartphone they'll use the hell out of.

SOME people buy Android as a top-end smartphone but many just get them because the phone on some cheap deal just happened to be Android.

With Tablets it's even worse: 'Wow, I got this Android tablet - it was so much cheaper than iPad!'. Five minutes later it's shoved in the junk drawer while people are using their iPads to death.

True. My sister had an android tablet last Christmas or one before. It was actually decent spec and only like £70 I may try to get it strictly for work that I dont care if gets smashed haha.

However it was slow and nothing was optimised and due to the old version of android none of the apps she liked worked properly. So this Christmas she got an iPad 2.... It runs perfect and the apps a re smooth and screen responsive. She is very happy and when she isnt using it.... I am =)
 
Have you ever done anything on an Android device? Most web browsers are a pain to use, with terrible zoom and laggy scrolling. I usually try to find a dedicated app for everything to avoid using the web browser.

iOS devices are a treat to use, so just "doing stuff" is in itself a reward.

Maybe you should try Chrome on KitKat or Jelly Bean? And do the scrolling test side by side with the 5S, same website, same wifi connection. You might be surprised which one scrolls faster.
 
Their profits would be higher on the 5C - that's purely hypothetical, considering the fact that they're not selling. I've yet to see an iPhone 5C in the wild here, TBH.

If you sell 10 million devices with a net margin of 50$, you're still making a bigger profit than when you sell 1 million devices with a net margin of 200$ - so yes, market share does make a difference, no matter what you've talked yourself into believing.

Again this assumption about iPhone 5C sales ... Do you have data ? Because Apple didn't released it ...

I saw quite a lot iPhone 5C in the wild ...
 
Correction I meant 3rd party accessories.

I suppose so. Not sure what accessories I am missing out on. I have a decent case, I can sync my PS3 controller if I *HAVE* to use a joystick for games. No real need for a dock of any sort for speakers (I Chromecast to my home theatre for audio).
 
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