iPhone App Sideloading Coming to Users in the EU in First Half of 2024

[Apple Fan 2008]

Zero legal basis or policy for that

The government have always dictated how the phone works. And now they are just enforcing your property rights.

Well it’s a little play on words as the common defence people use. While ignoring android and iOS aren’t competitors or a choice.

It’s only between phones, Google already tried to use that defence and got obliterated in court.

Eu is the only one with tariffs, and service fee?

The duopoly could be argued in the digital store front of play store and AppStore.

And why would they when that has never been the case? And That would go against pretty much every legal principle already established.

Would be interesting but close to impossible, considering Consumer still have the legal obligation to prove that they did nothing wrong.

Why? It’s easy EU looks at apples registered global revenue from previous years and say 20% of that is the maximum amount that can be fined, and if they get a 5% fine, that would be consistent. Or did you expect fines to be part of doing business? Slap on the wrist? Continue as normal?

That’s always the case. No ToS is needed for that. It’s the consumers device and they are responsible for breaking it.

The regulation explicitly spelling out that no fee is allowed to be levied.

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Or maybe not, let them choose. Apple already have Apple Pay, their could become more common.

Well unlikely your bank could even do that on iOS considering how the sandbox works, and no, Apple can’t discriminate against legitimate apps that are installed by the owner.

And can you show any correlation? Especially when 4 of those 5 companies are impacted.

Especially with the DSA enforcing some good things.

Some part I absolutely love

• It shall be set out in clear, plain, intelligible, user-friendly and unambiguous language, and shall be publicly available in an easily accessible and machine-readable format.
• directed at minors …shall explain the conditions for, and any restrictions on, the use of the service in a way that minors can understand.
• very large online platforms and of very large online search engines shall provide recipients of services with a concise, easily-accessible and machine-readable summary of the terms and conditions
• act in a non-arbitrary and non-discriminatory manner and take into account the rights and legitimate interests of the recipients of the service, including fundamental rights as enshrined in the Charter. For example, providers of very large online platforms should in particular pay due regard to freedom of expression and of information, including media freedom and pluralism.
• Providers of the intermediary services should clearly indicate and maintain up-to-date in their terms and conditions the information as to the grounds on the basis of which they may restrict the provision of their services. In particular, they should include information on any policies, procedures, measures and tools used for the purpose of content moderation, including algorithmic decision-making and human review

Now why would any developer lower their customer exposure? Why are developers sticking with steam? Even tho epic store takes way smaller fee? Can it be steam is gives more benefits and value for developers and consumers than epic store currently does?

SWEET MOSES, HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN YOU REPLY TO?

 

[MilaM]

I have a question. Are we going to continue to argue about this law until it comes into force in March 2024?

If yes I'll have to rearrange my schedule for the next four months 😅.

 

[MilaM]

And, I'd suggest that many or most of the "differences" are directly attributable to the method in which Apple curates and develops their ecosystem. So, asking Apple to change this because you like how Apple operates is like biting the hand that feeds you (or brings you the experience of a mobile ecosystem you like).

I have very little faith in Apple's curation. They approve scam apps all the time while giving legitimate developers a hard time.

Before I install a new app from an unknown developer I always look for reviews and recommendations outside the app store.

 

[BaldiMac]

I have very little faith in Apple's curation. They approve scam apps all the time while giving legitimate developers a hard time.

"All the time" is nothing but hyperbole. You're complaining about a few edge cases out of hundreds of thousands of submissions. But the solution to curation that's not perfect isn't no curation.

Personally, I'd have no problem with the EU mandating stricter curation of scam apps.

 

[ceriess]

I know you are joking but we need to reign p*** in. It’s far too accepting in society today it’s going to destroy us.

its ok to spell the word “porn”. You can see that I’ve used the word at least twice now, with no ramifications from mods or deities.

 

[Ethosik]

its ok to spell the word “porn”. You can see that I’ve used the word at least twice now, with no ramifications from mods or deities.

I’m not spelling it out with how disgusting that industry is.

 

[MilaM]

"All the time" is nothing but hyperbole. You're complaining about a few edge cases out of hundreds of thousands of submissions. But the solution to curation that's not perfect isn't no curation.

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You may say it's hyperbole. I still think you need to be vigilant.

 

[MilaM]

I am going to be looking to computing systems that are increasingly closed, not increasingly open.

You can lock up macOS pretty tight with provisioning profiles. If you can't do that yourself, you could ask your favorite Mac geek to do it for you. No need to make life miserable for the rest of us.

 

[Samplasion]

The "saves waste" arguement is silly. I have a hows full of lightening cables that I'll have to thow away once I buy my next iphone.

Do you throw out every piece of technology once you buy another one? Because my Lightning iPhones, iPad and iPods aren't going anywhere (just like their 30-pin counterparts).

 

[Samplasion]

So, imagine a small company launches an OS, computing and phone system that are 100% focused on safety, security and privacy. They do extensive verification of apps that are allowed to be loaded onto their devices. The OS is completely locked down to any outside intrusion. That is the very reason for the existence of the company and the tech they develop. Imagine in the next few years, they gain 20% marketshare in the EU.

Those two things are strictly linked together. I assume such an OS wouldn't allow Meta apps, meaning everyone who uses WhatsApp won't care about the device. That's enough for me to discredit the "20%" argument.
Though I'd applaud a competitor to Apple and Google who could reach such a big market share.

inb4 "Nobody uses WhatsApp" most people do in the EU.

 

[Samplasion]

Eventually, your iphones, ipads and ipods will go away

I've had more broken cables than devices. Besides, if that's your argument, then we should buy a phone every year and generate more waste, no?

USB-C is not "standard" in any way. Differences in capability and purpose of the cables abound.

That's not wrong but thankfully I've begun seeing cables with their exact specifics written in the rubber coating around the connector.

 

[MilaM]

Eventually, your iphones, ipads and ipods will go away. But you know that, you're just trying to evade my point. Mandating a change to "save waste" is an argument too clever by half. And, USB-C is not "standard" in any way. Differences in capability and purpose of the cables abound.

Maybe you take extra care of your charging cables. I usually go through two to three over the lifetime of a device. Especially Apple cables (ironically) break pretty quickly on the ends.

 

[Samplasion]

I said nothing about Whatsapp. I said what I said.

You can't talk about OS market shares without bringing in third-party app support. I used WhatsApp as an example

 

[Samplasion]

So if this is the case, if you're all buying new cables all the time anyway, then we can wholly dispense with the "saves waste" argument.

Throwing away a cable for a single phone can be considered as more waste than throwing away a cable you can use for everything.

 

[MilaM]

So if this is the case, if you're all buying new cables all the time anyway, then we can wholly dispense with the "saves waste" argument.

I like USB-C because of the conveniece. I don't have to have three different types of chargers next to my desk or my TV. Just one with three USB-C receptacles. I save waste on the charger, not on the cables.

And my broken cables go to recycling.

 

[Zest28]

Let the piracy begin. Because, let’s face it, that why most people want this ability, so they can steal from app devs.

The EU thinks they’re winning, charlie sheen thought that as well. Welcome to the sh*tshow, LMMFAO

As far as why you can sideload on a mac but not on an iPhone? If I have to explain that to you, you probably shouldn’t be on a tech site…

That is indeed why iOS became so popular for devs, you cannot pirate.

But the quality of the apps will go downhill now that they don't have to adhere to Apple their Quality Control process.

 

[MilaM]

Of course you can. As I said, the company would thoroughly vet any apps that are allowed on the device. They'd have to meet the standards of that specific company to work on that specific device.

Who would want to publish apps for such a device? Meta, Google and ByteDance for sure not. Without those Apps, noone would buy the device.

 

[Samplasion]

Of course you can. As I said, the company would thoroughly vet any apps that are allowed on the device. They'd have to meet the standards of that specific company to work on that specific device.

Who would buy a device that doesn't support their favorite apps? (Among the general public, that is)
Microsoft have tried and failed.

So again, would you force that company to open their OS?

If by "open" you mean allowing end users to install external apps, then, once such a company reaches gatekeeper status, I would.

But as you've just admitted, usb-c cables can't be used for everything.

I do use one USB-C cable to charge all my devices. I don't care about wired data transfer.

 

[Zest28]

Its the freedom to use whatever service you like on whatever device you like.

PCs and Macs have worked this way since day one.

The open internet has worked this way since day one.

Phones should work this way too.

Who are you to tell how an iPhone should work? Do you own Apple?

This is going to be alot of fun now FaceBook can do all the data mining and tracking on people from now on, as they don't have to adhere to Apple their rules.

 

[MilaM]

But as you've just admitted, usb-c cables can't be used for everything.

They can always be used for charging up to 60W and USB2. I like to buy cables from IKEA. They sell for 2.50 EUR. Compare that Apple Lightning cables 😂.

 

[Samplasion]

Who are you to tell how an iPhone should work? Do you own Apple?

As a large OS developer and phone vendor, Apple now has a legal obligation to make their phones support certain operations if they want to sell their stuff here.

 

[MilaM]

So, if 30% of the people in the EU wanted a device that was so very focused on privacy and security, for their own reasons, you'd override their desires and destroy that company.

You are so melodramatic. I had to chuckle a bit .

 

[Samplasion]

People who are increasingly concerned about privacy and security. Who are begining to think about "connected" in a new and different way.

Ok so much fewer people than 20% of the European Union, I reckon.

So, if 30% of the people in the EU wanted a device that was so very focused on privacy and security, for their own reasons, you'd override their desires and destroy that company.

Good to know. Now we have a baseline in the discussion

Lol, if enabling sideloading undermines your system so much then it wasn't that secure and privacy-focused in the first place

 

[MilaM]

No, there are USB-C cables that don't do charging.

Then you were really unlucky. I have never even heard about a USB cable that does not do charging. Some don't have data connected properly, yes. But the other way around is really strange.

 

[Samplasion]

How is that melodramatic? He just told me that a closed company in the example wouldn't be allowed to exist in his ideal world.

Thanks for willfully misunderstanding and misrepresenting my point.

Got it. Since you don't understand it, and wouldn't want it, nobody else should be able to have it as well.

As I said, I was just setting a baseline, and you've now answered it.

See the above.