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The Best iPhone Evidence

Why hasn't Apple given Motorola the boot? Because Motorola is going to built the new iPhone for them. All Apple has to do is keep using router chips in "high-end graphic workstations." If Apple does make the iPhone, it is going to be a huge success (as long it isn't bondi blue or something ridiculous like that) And all Apple will have to do is put alittle spit and polish on a Motorola phone running a Pixo operating system.
 
I have one small question... What cellular provider you people think Apple is gonna make this phone compatible with?

As most of you know here in the US as well as in Europe and Japan Apple WILL have to choose!

Verizon? Cingular?? AT&T??? Sprint???? Europe????? Japan??????

Oh you want this Apple Phone to work with ALL of those providers Europe AND Japan included?!?!? Sorry but cell phones just don't work that way... otherwise ALL cell phones would work with ALL systems and anyone who has been shopping for a specific phone (for their system) knows it just don't work that way....

So let's hear it... what system is Apple gonna choose and how many of us are gonna be pissed because Apple **didn't** choose ours.

Heck I love the idea but Apple can't make something that's gonna work with everything.

Dave
 
In September?

iSync comes out in "late September", Macword Expo Paris is in late September (which Steve is keynoting). Hmmm... Maybe the introduction of iPhone with the debut of iSync to show it off?

Just a thought.

Gus
 
At the end of that NY Times it mentions a guy named David Carey. There's a guy named David Carey in the switch ads. Coincidence? I think not.:p
 
Re: I agree with the article...the evidence is obvious!

Originally posted by AudiA4

Sherlock (totally revised - sort of a "mini-browser")

Well.... totally purshased. It's watson. I'm not sure they really changed anything that watson probably wasn't already working on.
 
iPhone and Japan

Originally posted by DaveGee
I have one small question... What cellular provider you people think Apple is gonna make this phone compatible with?

As most of you know here in the US as well as in Europe and Japan Apple WILL have to choose!

Verizon? Cingular?? AT&T??? Sprint???? Europe????? Japan??????

That's a very good point.

When I heard some rumors about new PDA with phone capability by Apple a while back, I was skeptical about it because cell phone system widely varies over the world. As a Japanese local myself, I know that Japan is TOTALLY closed. Japan basically is the only country in which you can not use GSM network. I don't know what's wrong with us, but the networking system we use here is incompatible with anything else on this planet. And the fact is that there's no overseas phone manufacturers currently selling phones in Japan. All of them are Japanese companies like Sony (recentry started a joint venture with Ericsson), Panasonic, NEC, Sharp, Sanyo and Mitsubishi. DoCoMo, the biggest of cell phone carriers which is a subsidiary of a formerly government owned NTT and famous for iMode system, does not allow these phone companies to put their logos on the phones. DoCoMo brands them as their own products, although it's clearly know that the big pleyers makes them. So Apple probably won't choose juicy DoCoMo which does not allow them to put the Apple logo.

There was a rumor that Palm would introduce their wireless PDAs with a help from DoCoMo, the cell phone network giant, but failed to do so mainly because Japan has the most advanced wireless web/mail access system from cell phones like iMode (provide by DoCoMo), EZ-web (AU) and J-SKY (J-Phone). I think I've heard that HandSpring has attempted to sell that Springboard based phone to Japan but failed to do so as well for the same reason.

For me choosing the conventional GSM network makes sense because it's compatible with any countries except for Japan. But as far as I understand, Japan is one of the big markets for Apple. So it's kind of difficult to imagine Apple excluding Japan for iPhone.

But hey, we are thinking too much within a small box. I'm kind of imagining and hoping that Apple might do something totally revolutional. Like going for Voice-over-IP and/or WiFi. Who said it will be the traditional phone?! This makes much more sense to me now. Traditional cell phone network is too limiting and slow. And G3 networking is not there yet.

You guys think VoIP and/or WiFi would be a possiblity?
 
Does it strike anyone else as odd that Apple doesn't go to Motorola, with whom they are already a partner, but instead goes to Sony/Ericsson? Could this point to a break-up with MOTO?


-the Gruesome Drewsome
 
Two interesting issues people've brought up:

1. PC compatibility
I don't see Apple porting all the connectivity apps (iSync, iCal, mail, address) to windows. All those apps are integrated with OS X. It'd be too much work, and those features are major selling points for Jaguar-- they're not gonna just give it away.

Also, I don't see why Apple can't make money off of a Mac-only phone. A phone that combines all the useful features of a PDA, syncs seemlessly with OS X, and has some cool Apple-only features mixed in would sell really well. I think there is sufficient demand within Apple's userbase to make this profitable. To me, there is a greater demand for a Apple PDA-phone than a portable music player.

2. Carrier
Is this really a big issue? As someone brought up, all these PDAs have phones built in or have phone attachments. To me, it's just a matter of Apple signing on with a carrier--my bet is with Cingular in the US. I'm sure most of these carriers would love to be associated with Apple.

I have no idea what kind of engineering is required to adapt a phone to a carrier but if small companies like Handspring can set up their PDAs to work with a carrier, I say no prob for Apple. It seems to be a business issues more than anything.

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The more I think about it, the more I'm excited by the idea. Phone carriers/manufactures are adding more and more multimedia features to their phones as the networks improve. Apple seems to be the perfect company to ride this wave, considering their adoption of mpeg 4, Quicktime Broadcast, iPhoto, iTunes, etc. The possibilities are mind-boggling.
 
Operator/Carrier compability?!

Scandinavia is currently waiting for 3G,
but that won´t come for some years.
Not in full power anyway. That is because
the networks are to expensive to build.
Therefore the phone-manufacturers
hold back on releasing "real" 3G-phones.
In the networks you will have to choose
an operator/carrier, but with roaming
access that will open up for new players.
Maybe media-houses/record companies/
the movie industry…???
Do-Co-Mo is if I understand it correctly
a 2,5G or GPRS-system. When the 3G
infrastructure is up we need services to
fill the network AND to pay for the building
of it. I´d say we won´t see an Apple
branded mobile device until 4G is a reality.
That is if 4G will be as fast as real broadband
is for computers today. I mean, what´s the
use of streaming a movie to a cellphone screen?
Oops, I think I´m entering "Gibsonesque"
domains here… Just think Johnny Mnemonic!

PS. What would you use this device for?
Business and/or recreation?
 
It's not the carrier issue, but about which system Apple would choose. Different networking speeds will make iPhone into totally different product!

If they go for the systems widely used as of now, they end up with a very slow connection which does NOT have a bright future. Slow connection totally limits what you can do with iPhone. I'm kind of betting that Apple wil make software-driven hardware, meaning like iPod can update themselves when new technology is out there. So we don't have to buy new iPhone when the technology is out of date. Hardware atrachment is an interesting solution like somebody suggested, but it's not a super-clever one from the financial and convinience point of view.

I'm not worried about any of the PDA/phone functions. They'll probably do a fabulous design job. But I'm super worried about this carrier/system issue, because I live in Japan where the weirdest cell phone system is actively used.

You forks in the states have nothing to worry about, I guess. I envy you guys to death!!! Apple will make something totally US friendry phone for sure.

Handspring's phones were easily adapted around the world because it runs on GSM. So they didn't have to make any special hardware for each country. And their only issue was which "prefered" carrier they choose.

If Apple goes for an easy choice like GSM, Japan will be excluded and multimedia function will be very limited. When this happens I'll cry all day in Japan!!!! If Apple choose other systems, they have to make custom wave-transmitting hardware for every single system on the planet because there's no uniform system other than GSM. This doesn't make sense to me. Making many variations of the same product is a nigihtmare from the business point of view. And Apple has never made country-specific hardware, has it?

And DoCoMo's new generation system called "FoMa" is pure 3G, not 2.5G as I understand. They heavily promote it specifically as "3G", so I think it actually is 3G. Well, maybe I'm wrong. New generation one still is not widely used because of area coverage and price. I'm not sure what the current DoCoMo system is based on. But it's at least couple of years old, and difficult to imagine it as 2.5G.
 
any wiz bang ideas on how Rendezvous

could overcome carrier limitations?
or, is that way off the mark?

Would anyone with any cell phone technology under their belt(or above their neck) care to reply? Could Rendezvous provide internet telephony on a CDMA 1x or W-CDMA band?
 
Last month (after MacWorldNY) I read a post where someone said:
"lately Apple's got such a gay, Starbucks, cell phone, pillow biter vibe", ...and it really cracked me up.''


Apple should forget about marketing cell phones and find a new supplier for CPUs. Leave the cell phones to Motorola. It's one thing there's good at making.



the Midnight Rambler -

Not swapping any of my v.60s for no prissy, white, pillow biter Apple phone.
 
If Apple goes for an easy choice like GSM, Japan will be excluded and multimedia function will be very limited. When this happens I'll cry all day in Japan!!!! If Apple choose other systems, they have to make custom wave-transmitting hardware for every single system on the planet because there's no uniform system other than GSM. This doesn't make sense to me. Making many variations of the same product is a nigihtmare from the business point of view. And Apple has never made country-specific hardware, has it?



Did you bother to watch the MacWorldNY keynote?

Jobs brought out the CEO of Cingular (switching from a TDMA netword to a GSM network, like AT&T) out on stage to schmooze the audience.

Sony Ericsson was also on hand to harken the new alliance between Apple/Cingular/Sony Ericsson.


Expect to see an Apple branded Sony Ericsson GSM phone (probably white, but we can all hope for Titanium), with some sort of incentive for choosing Cingular over AT&T or VoiceStream (T-Wireless).
 
Originally posted by MidnightRambler

Did you bother to watch the MacWorldNY keynote?

Jobs brought out the CEO of Cingular (switching from a TDMA netword to a GSM network, like AT&T) out on stage to schmooze the audience.

Sony Ericsson was also on hand to harken the new alliance between Apple/Cingular/Sony Ericsson.

Uh, I didn't know about this alliance matter. Thanks for letting me know. So Apple has shown their strong interest in phone business back in MWNY then?

Now I'm even more worried about iPhone not being sold in Japan! I wonder what's Apple's strategy on this? Simply no iPhone in Japan??? I guess I just have to hope for GSM edition for the world and a special version that runs in Japan?

Sorry that all I'm concerned about is Japan.
But I'm talking about my quality of life issue here for the next couple of years;)
 
People who can afford the monthly spendings of a 3G phone are also able (and willing) to buy an Apple notebook "just for fun".

And I can remember that some months ago there was a news item of a phone/pda gadget supported by an old and rich Apple person.
 
How many phones from Sony Ericsson?

You can certainly see Sony's influence on the Sony Ericsson relationship. They must have 40 phones in their lineup!

I'm sure they have great manufacturing and all, but sheez... If I were an investor, I'd be very worried that they were stretching things too thin. IMHO, that's Sony's biggest problem right now. So many models with so little differentiation just has to shred your profit margin.
 
gropius pics...

Hi Gropius,

Nice pics.
You should call that the "Atari Paddle keyboard" :)
 
Originally posted by DaveGee
I have one small question... What cellular provider you people think Apple is gonna make this phone compatible with?

As most of you know here in the US as well as in Europe and Japan Apple WILL have to choose!

Verizon? Cingular?? AT&T??? Sprint???? Europe????? Japan??????

It's just the SIM card which makes a phone work on a cell network, the phones are not built for one provider (although some like Orange do have custom 'bodies' printed).

Apple could simply build the phone and sell it SIM free, the customer then buys a SIM or puts the one out of their old phone in it.

It's pretty simple really.
 
Originally posted by Blackcat


It's just the SIM card which makes a phone work on a cell network, the phones are not built for one provider (although some like Orange do have custom 'bodies' printed).

Apple could simply build the phone and sell it SIM free, the customer then buys a SIM or puts the one out of their old phone in it.

It's pretty simple really.

As many US guys here know, in the states many cell providers "lock" GSM phones to their network to prevent people from buying phones with promotional deals and then switching over to another GSM carrier. So it's not as simple as you suggested. This might sound very unusual in any other coutries with GSM network, but that's how it is as I understand.

This is still the way it is in the states, right guys?

And obviously, non-GSM phones in the states and all phones in Japan does not have SIM cards. These phones are specifically made for each service provider.
 
Originally posted by DaveGee
I have one small question... What cellular provider you people think Apple is gonna make this phone compatible with?

As most of you know here in the US as well as in Europe and Japan Apple WILL have to choose!

Umm, maybe they will have more than one device? You go to a page, pick your country, your state, then your cell phone provider, you are then taken to a page with the phone that works with your provider. On the box when you get it are instructions on how to convert service over to your current provider.
 
From The New York Times Article
Of the 12 new OS X features the company has been emphasizing on its Web site, most would be desirable for a hand-held phone, including chat capabilities, mail, an address book, calendar features, automatic networking and a synchronization feature that will become available in September.

Um, as far as I know, most computers come with address books, chat capabilities, calendar features, automatic networking and synchrinization features. Does that mean MS is coming out with a portable phone just because outlook has all these features? This guy is TOTALLY grasping at straws here. iPhone my ass.
 
Heh. The funny thing about this is that Apple could use this new phone to screw Motorola for once. By leaving Moto AND taking away their phone marketshare, they'll really put the hurt on those lazy, mismanaged asses.
 
Re: Re: I agree with the article...the evidence is obvious!

Originally posted by bretm


Well.... totally purshased. It's watson. I'm not sure they really changed anything that watson probably wasn't already working on.

Not true. Watson was not purchased. He took cues from Sherlock while developing Watson. Apple had always planned on extending Sherlock to include web services, which is what they did. Watson does the same thing, however Apple niether purchased, nor ripped off, the developer of Watson

http://www.karelia.com/watson/watsonFAQ.html
 
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