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Re: The Best iPhone Evidence

Originally posted by sergeantmudd
Why hasn't Apple given Motorola the boot? Because Motorola is going to built the new iPhone for them. All Apple has to do is keep using router chips in "high-end graphic workstations." If Apple does make the iPhone, it is going to be a huge success (as long it isn't bondi blue or something ridiculous like that) And all Apple will have to do is put alittle spit and polish on a Motorola phone running a Pixo operating system.
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I don't know if motorola is exactly the playa you are looking for-- they HAVE had some success with cell phones, don't let that blind you to their myriad FAILURES in the marketplace.

Of course it would be something Motorola would be HAPPY to do (for themselves rather than someone else) if they could do it, more than this annoying "computer chip business" thorn in their side they seem totally unhappy about dealing with.

This is not merely a matter of having a 'good product'- the market push for such a product has to be coordinated among several cooperating partners.
 
Re: Re: I agree with the article...the evidence is obvious!

Originally posted by bretm


Well.... totally purshased. It's watson. I'm not sure they really changed anything that watson probably wasn't already working on.
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Not pursh... not purchased. Some of the parts may have been hanging around Apple ready to be used. Dan Wood put them together, Apple discovered they needed to do the exact same overhaul once the third party showed them a great product and a market for it, and once people complained about the finder not being able to find anymore, once in OS X.

Sherlock was only interesting for web search during its early days, and if it was on a high bandwidth connection. The sites being hit were interested in speed of info more than pushing ads, so you could get an incredible amount of info in a terribly short amount of time, given the bandwidth, and open cooperation of all content providers. Then they stopped cooperating, because they were in the business of showing banners to eyeballs, not giving away their data. And Sherlock searches became junk.

Watson just takes advantage of cooperation, and puts a more useful face on the XML that is out there- showing that an XML browser can be more functional than HTML.

Now he is thinking he is going to have to be a Windows client to survive. Which might be good for all concerned-- because an iPhone will probably have to sync with windows to get distribution and support in the marketplace, and it might save Apple the trouble of creating a friendly syncing framework for some possible iPhone features. They could still be doing business- but they sort of pulled the rug out from under him after letting him show the thing off at WDDC or Expo or such. Any animosity could serve as good cover for any real cooperation behind the scenes.
 
yes phone is inevitable

There will be a phone that will have strong apple connections, although it may not be an "Apple" phone. SOny Ericsson and Apple already have established strong ties. If you look, Sony Ericsson phones are the only ones currently compatible with iSync see: http://www.infosync.no/news/2002/n/2080.html and http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/jul/17isync.html As far as a service provider goes, apple does not have to choose one, because any phone they build will be built around the GSM standard which, depending on band, will work all over the world. It would be advantageous mostly within the US because cell phone service providers like to provide different phones than the competition and sign sole distribution deals with manufacturers. Hence, cingular is smart to get in early. Additionally, cingular is one of the three providers with GSM in the states along with Voicestream and AT&T. The phone being GSM could easily be used on these networks also but you would have a heftier price tag because you could not buy the phone along with a service agreement, see the online sony ericsson store and their T68m and T68i prices. The OS would most likely not be apple either. In an atttempt to finally get different manufacturer phones to be compatible Nokia, Ericsson and Seimens developed the "Symbian" OS, which is used in the new SonyEricsson P800 and the Nokia 9110 communicator (and related models). This seperate OS allows the phone the possibility to be compatible with both Mac and Windows OS's ( as well as Palm pocketPC). Also Microsoft already has it's SmartPhones being shipped in Europe check out Sendo's S100 (i think this is the model name). This would certainly not be Mac OS compatible so something using symbian would be much more universally consumer friendly. As someone mentioned earlier, bluetooths biggest advantage is the use of wireless accessories like headsets and the coming SonyEricsson "chatpen" (someone mentioned something similar in another post but thought it was only concept, it is coming out... soon) a pen that writes on paper normally but can also transmit this to a palm or phone or computer via bluetooth. The possibility to get consumers to buy corresponding access. opens whole new revenue streams for companies and will be pushed vigourously. So my predictions:

A SonyEricsson/Apple branded iPhone
GSM networked
Symbian OS (with apple sync capabilities, (and Windows))
Sold exclusively through Cingular and the Apple store
Built in digital cam (apple has no hand in this cookie jar yet)
MP3 iPod like functionality (hard drive although with SE memory stick duo not out of the question)

Also remember that the New York Times is not a "rumors" site like this. They generally don't place articles based on the wishes of apple geeks like us, there is certainly a bit of marketing going on there, testing the waters so to speak.

phew!
 
also

on that report they say 200x300 greyscale screen. I don't think this is corrrect for two reasons:

1. Every manufacturer is going color and this will be one of the main deciding factors for people to upgrade their existing phones

2. plus it is relatively cheap now and would need to be there to make a camera function possible

200x300 may be correct though as it is large enough to have space to write. inkwell!!!
 
Re: hmm

Originally posted by theaz
what do you think of this report abut the iPhone:

http://www.irumors.net/

Interesting. Hopefully not manufactured.
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After their "motorola" report... I don't put much credence into their reports.

arn
 
So Long New York Times!

So, either Apple will now bar Press Passes from The New Your Times, or will continue to beg for a law suit from other "rumor monger" sites and publications they have barred in the past.

Oh well, I'm sure our not-so-thin (even in black), balding Uncle Steve will show us once again that he is the typical bully, happy to push around anyone who appears small and defenceless, but will not dare to press his "ideals" against anyone with an ounce of muscle. It's as sure as the presence of another Beatles tune in the next MacWorld Gala event (can you say fat, balding, middle-aged white man? how about typical, self-absorbed baby boomer?)

Fatboy Steve should learn that many people are driven to Apple's products out of a sense of disgust at the strong-arm tactics used by Billy-Bob, down on the ranch in Redmond. So, what's really so different here? At least Billy-Bob has stood by his pal and #2 man (Blubber-Butt Balmer). What happened to Stevie's pals? (They all quietly have let us know that they do not wish to share air with Uncle Stevie - kinda makes you think, huh).

I can imagine the day when we are all glad there is a MS to defend us against the monomaniacle ravings of Uncle Steve and his Steve-approved vision "for the rest of us".

Frankly, Steve has more than started to ruin the whole Mac Experience for me. I'm beginning to feel guilty for using Apple Products, and just exactly for the same reasons that I used to feel guilty for using MS ones. Hmmmmm
 
Re: Re: hmm

Originally posted by arn


After their "motorola" report... I don't put much credence into their reports.

arn
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Exactly what I was thinking. Additionally, they have that suspicious disclaimer at the bottom of their story...
 
i don't know if anyone pointed this out yet, but the rumor partly comes about because of the still valid contract between apple and Pixo (the ipod's software creator) for another device. this would mean that apple would be the designers, pixo the software, and sony/ericsson the manufacturers, but yet it would be sold as solely and apple product and would only be able to be used with macs....doesn't that seem kind of odd considering sony makes winblowz machines?
 
sony ericsson is a seperate company based in the UK. sony's windows connection is of no consequence. Remember also, sony uses Palm OS for their handhelds, not PocketPC.
 
as for motorola, they make possibly the most un-userfriendly phones in the business. Are put together with cheap parts and just overall blow. SonyEricsson has taken the manufacturing quality of ericsson (far superior to nokia and the rest, i've had them all) and the design and forward thinking of sony. By far the best manufacturer of any on the market today, i highly recommend them. I don't think it would be solely apple branded because SE would want the public to know that this is partly their product, plus it gives apple credibility, of which it has none in the cell phone market. Apple would HAVE to brand it with the SE name to gain any kind of marketshare.
 
Originally posted by scem0
too bad apple will probably make it inaffordable to a 15 year old... :(
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Who cares about 15 year olds? Bunch of whiney skateboarder brats shouldn't be the focus of a multinational corporation. :D
 
Originally posted by yamadataro
Now I'm even more worried about iPhone not being sold in Japan! I wonder what's Apple's strategy on this? Simply no iPhone in Japan??? I guess I just have to hope for GSM edition for the world and a special version that runs in Japan?

Sorry that all I'm concerned about is Japan.
But I'm talking about my quality of life issue here for the next couple of years;)
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If you were really, I mean REALLY concerned about Japan, you wouldn't whine that Apple is excluding Japan and bemoaning how the only people who sell products in Japan are Japanese, but would rather take a closer look at your trade laws.

Why do you think most products sold in Japan are Japanese? Do you think it is because all Japanese products are better than everyone else's products?

Maybe, if Japan didn't levy large tariffs, and have trade protection rules/procedures, companies from all over the globe would sell there, and your "quality of life" might improve.

Just a thought.
 
Symbian OS is NOT the reason for Mac & Windows compatibility. It is SyncML standard that most new 'smart' phones implemented. That is why despite no offical support of Mac for T68i, it still works with iSync as iSync uses SyncML. Same with Palm device compatibility.

On the phone/device side of thing, I can see Apple re-brand the SonyEricsson P800. Though how Apple deals with the MemoryStick storage issue is another matter.
 
GSM vs the Rest

Well I think the US as well as Japan are paying for their mistake in the early 90s when they (the carriers) decided not to adopt the GSM standard and went the CDMA route.

Some (if not all) of the US carriers are finding the migration route from CDMA to CDMA2000 to W-CDMA is more expensive then they first thought. This is even when compares to building a brand new GSM network for 2.5G THEN migrate from GPRS to W-CDMA via EDGE.

So I don't think Apple will cripple themselves by making a CDMA compatible phone first. More like a GSM first then CDMA with help from a CDMA carrier like Sprint, in the model of Handspring Treo.
 
Mis-Information...

I've read so much mis-informtion in this discussion that it's scarry!

1) There is only one national (US) GSM carrier. It's T-Mobile (formerly VoiceStream).

2) Cingular has GSM in only CA, a very small area in NY, and a small area in the Carolinas. They are not a national carrier in GSM.

3) It will take Cing. years and years to roll out GSM thru out their network. And there will be much cost and pain. It's not easy to do. Don't expect much if you're a Cing. customer.

4) ATT has even less GSM coverage and re-read point #3 inserting "ATT" in place of "Cing."!

5) Cingular "locks" their GSM phones (not very customer frendly!) No one else does.

6) Just before anyone brings it up - Sprint IS NOT 3G!!!! Great marketing company, but the're not 3G.

The logical connection for Apple is T-Mobile (owned by 2nd largest wireless co. in world, DT, Germany)

7) Yes, tri-band GSM (1900-US, 800-Europe and Asia, and 1800-Asia) is the only way to go. It'll work world wide (Sprint can't even dream about doing that!)


ATTENTION APPLE - goto Bellevue, Wasington (yes, that Bellevue) and talk with T-Mobile ASAP.....
 
VoIP, T.38, SIP, and Danger

Everyone gets hung up on the hardware aspect of the iPhone concept. What if it's software?

1 - With QT6, Apple now has a really efficient algorithm for encoding video and audio. iChat could be extended to videoconferencing, for example.

2 - Apple could port SIP and H.323 protocol stacks onto OS X relatively easy to create a "softphone" that would work with existing Voice-over-IP networks and gateways from Cisco, Avaya, Alcatel, etc. Alternately, XServe could be converted into a VoIP gateway and softswitch.

3 - Apple could use its partnership with Earthlink to allow home users to make "free" long distance calls with a .mac subscription.(Dialpad already makes Mac OS X VoIP VPN client software, for example). T.38 Fax-over-IP could be added, too. (www.faxserver.com)

4 - Devices and software already exist to convert PDAs into SIP softphones on 802.11 networks. I've seen this work on Compaq iPaq PDAs. Theoretically, future versions of AirPort could be combined with a tweaked Xserve to create an out-of-the-box wireless telephony solution for businesses.

5 - The www.danger.com Danger Hiptop is practically the perfect device for this - Apple could order a custom version with Bluetooth and 802.11, that could conceivably add GSM, and "wireless .Mac services".
 
$800 is pretty reasonable IMO, if you factor into the cost of BOTH the latest cell phone (T68i $250 without contract) and PDA (let's say Handspring or Palm ~$300). And remember, that $800 price tag is most likely phone only, without contract. With contract, I would expect it to be around $500 or may be less.

Of course if you are not a big MP3 user you can also factor the cost of the MP3 player into that price...
 
$800 not so far fetched

The Sony-Ericsson P800 is going to retail for around $800 when it becomes available in the US later this year. If you are not familiar with P800, it is a PDA-phone that has a full-color touch display, Java capabilities, etc. Go to www.sonyericsson.com for more info.

Would I pay $800 for an Apple phone? Probably. I have a real sickness when it comes to Apple products. However, I am not completely sold on the iPhone story. As much as I would love to tote around an Apple-branded iPhone or an iCam for that matter, there are just too many players in the field who are much more experienced. However, Apple, much like many Japanese companies, are quite good at taking existing technologies and making them better and more efficient.

I really try not to give these story much credence as I typically always end up disappointed. Hell, I'd buy an Apple toaster if they made one...
 
Vic: Most European GSM carriers use GSM1800 for years. The GSM900 standard is there just for compatibility.

Also, with GSM who care that much whether your carrier is nation-wide or not. Roaming is the way to go, unless you are frequent traveller and don't want to pay roaming fee.

Compare to Europe, all of these US GSM carriers cover area larger than most European carrier alone.

Still, if only swapping carriers and retaining your phone number is as easy in the US as in Europe...
 
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