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If these were split into separate OEMs apple would be #1 in most.


Not by much - http://www.kantarworldpanel.com/en/Press-Releases/Early-Holiday-Sales-Show-Growth-for-iOS

"iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, and iPhone 6s were the three most popular smartphones in the US at the beginning of the holiday period, for a combined 31.3% share. The Samsung Galaxy S7 and S7 edge were the fourth and fifth best-selling phones in the US, with Samsung capturing 28.9% of smartphone sales."
 
...or because everybody in Europe has been paying in seconds with Chip & PIN cards for the last 10 years and now, increasingly, with contactless cards, so having to faff about with an iPhone app isn't such a huge advantage.

Only in the good old USA are Chip & PIN seen as the other two horsemen of the apocalypse...

That said - I've been in meetings with academics from around the world and its usually wall-to-wall MacBooks apart from the continental Europeans who do seem to like their PCs. I think Apple stuff is even more expensive in mainland Europe than it is in the UK.
Before Chip and PIN we had Swipe and PIN that was more or less the same thing. Now we have NFC and PIN (higher than 20 euros or something) so having Apple Pay is not such a big thing.
 
Not by much - http://www.kantarworldpanel.com/en/Press-Releases/Early-Holiday-Sales-Show-Growth-for-iOS

"iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, and iPhone 6s were the three most popular smartphones in the US at the beginning of the holiday period, for a combined 31.3% share. The Samsung Galaxy S7 and S7 edge were the fourth and fifth best-selling phones in the US, with Samsung capturing 28.9% of smartphone sales."
The 31.3% are for the top three Apple iPhones sold during the three-month period (7, 7+, SE). It excludes the iPhone 6s and 6s+, which were the current phones during the first two weeks of this three-month period and the iPhone 6 and 6+ which were still sold during those first two weeks. Total iPhone market share in the U.S. for the whole period was 43.5% compared to 28.9% for Samsung, ie, Apple sold about 1.5x as many iPhones as Samsung sold smartphones.
 
It's not surprising given that Apple isn't targeting the low-price market. Their cheapest device is $400 and a lot of people aren't willing to pay even that much for a phone. Apple is capturing upwards of 91% or more of the smartphone revenues so this approach seems to be working for them.
 
Keep in mind a lot of Samsung users probably went to Apple after the exploding battery issue so these numbers are higher than they would normally be otherwise.

Surprisingly, not many have. Due in part to the hassle of switching eco-systems, and, Samsung offering huge cash incentives to those affected to purchase a different Samsung phone - I heard $500. Anything to keep a customer in their camp.
 
The 31.3% are for the top three Apple iPhones sold during the three-month period (7, 7+, SE). It excludes the iPhone 6s and 6s+, which were the current phones during the first two weeks of this three-month period and the iPhone 6 and 6+ which were still sold during those first two weeks. Total iPhone market share in the U.S. for the whole period was 43.5% compared to 28.9% for Samsung, ie, Apple sold about 1.5x as many iPhones as Samsung sold smartphones.


It was a snapshot of a buying period. Particularly insightful due to the Samsung issues and Apple unable to make any substantial gains during THAT period.
 
It was a snapshot of a buying period. Particularly insightful due to the Samsung issues and Apple unable to make any substantial gains during THAT period.
I always found the reports predicting that Galaxy Note buyers would switch to iPhones to be highly reductionistic.
 
That's great and all, but it's pointless unless we see real numbers, not percentages. Sure Apple increase share in USA and other countries, but how many people. This article seems to write off the dip in china (~5%). To put it into perspective, estimates of china smartphone users is pegged at 3x that of the USA. So if you want to put it into real numbers, that means gains in USA, ~12.5 million. Loss in China, ~27.5 million.

Point being, without people numbers, overall users could actually be a wash. Not quite the picture that a good number of folks in this forum have painted. Neither negative or positive. As always, you can make vague numbers (percentages & the like) say whatever you want it to say.

For smartphone user numbers, I used projected numbers from www.statista.com
 
People who voluntarily stick wi-fi radiating stuff into their own heads is not a market you want.

[Or maybe it is - if they are dumb enough to do that, they'll buy anything. ]
 
Apple was once an underdog in consumer electronics/computing. It distinguished itself by making products that were painless to use and had professional-level abilities and features well before other competitors. Those were the things that Apple’s CEO bragged about to the press. Today, the bragging point is how many units they sold of something. That is not a metric I care about as a customer. And be assured, popularity is not an indicator of superiority. After all, would you rather own a Bentley Mulsanne or a Toyota Camry?
Well said. I am one of those long time Apple user that have not like the direction Apple is going. And no, it is not that I do not like change, it is that I do not like some of the changes that Apple has been doing lately.
That is not a metric I care about as a customer.
Me as well.
I mentioned this earlier, but Apple having high sales and large market share is not something that matters to me. I tend to like Apples products more when their market share was a lot lower.
 
Geez I'm far from an optimist but I can still see positive numbers when they exist. I guess I'm just missing something. :confused:
Apple is in same position as Microsoft was like 5 years ago, no matter what they did people complained/hated MS, they even complained if MS gave free softwares, so take it easy, even if iOS reaches 75% market share people will complain, it's just the trend.
 
The only reason they did so well in the UK was due to the EA while other reports have been made highlighting Apples large slump in PC sales and market share:

http://www.techradar.com/news/mac-misery-continues-as-apples-computers-slump-to-half-decade-low

Anyway, the UK network providers have had to HEAVILY discount the iPhone and take a hit due to Apples huge price increase across their models, all due to the BS Brexit excuse. It will be interesting to see how long it lasts.

If they totally redesign this years iPhone then they will most likely sell a ton again. I guess more reason to ignore the Mac then?
 
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No they didn't. Apple had the first widely available TOUCHSCREEN only (no keyboard) smartphone.

There were PLENTY of smartphones available before the iPhone.
Depends on how you define a smartphone, yes there was mail access, able to browse web, but they were unusable/clunky, i am sure few people browsed web on the phone back then, most of the use of smart phone was for mail/message and nothing else, iPhone was not first smartphone, but it revolutionized the smartphone design/functionality. I had BB back then & i hated it except for message & Mail.
 
Depends on how you define a smartphone, yes there was mail access, able to browse web, but they were unusable/clunky, i am sure few people browsed web on the phone back then, most of the use of smart phone was for mail/message and nothing else, iPhone was not first smartphone, but it revolutionized the smartphone design/functionality. I had BB back then & i hated it except for message & Mail.
No one is disputing the impact of the iPhone. Every IS disputing the claim of the iPhone being the FIRST smartphone. Those claims do not overlap nor do the supporting arguments.
 
I wonder why France and Germany are both less than half the penetration of Great Britain? Is this a cultural thing? Is it to do with the number of Apple Stores? Whatever, it represents a market worth going for.

back in the iPhone 3G days everyone of my friends in Germany had an iPhone and it would cost around 549 €. Now I am the only one of my friends left with an iPhone and the entry model iPhone 7 starts at 759 €.

Also people were used to pay 1 euro for a smartphone with contract. now the iphone usually starts well over 100 euro on a 24 months plan which turns off a lot of people i know even though technically those costs were just hidden in the monthly payment but all they see is the down payment amount
 
No they didn't. Apple had the first widely available TOUCHSCREEN only (no keyboard) smartphone.

There were PLENTY of smartphones available before the iPhone.

Not in all markets it wasn't. Sony Ericsson had the P800 in 2002 of which you could remove the flip down key pad and use the touchscreen only. I think their may have been a Sharp one to? Their was also Eten and Glofiish in some markets, and O2 XDA phones.
 
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Wow, which is why when people talk about android sucking you have to find out which version and
device! I realize that IOS and the Iphone may not be the best at everything but I've found each phone
to be very solid and iOS usually is very good.
The big thing for me is that music and audio apps for IOS are released before their android counter parts
and in some cases do not exist on android, until that changes I'll stay on Iphone and IOS.
All the same Apple better keep their eyes on the prize, Samsung and google et al are making some great phones!
Competition is awesome we all benefit!
 
Theorehitical. It comes down to iMessage. Critical in your social circle/country? iPhone.

Not critical? Android and WhatsApp.

The end.

Very true. Everyone that follows tech closely knows Android can be customized to suit a person's needs. But the truth is the general public doesn't care.... can they make calls? Surf the web? Use social media? Yes? End of story.

All the fanboy apple v Android hype is silly.
 
But calling those early android phones smart phones is a stretch. The cheapo phones were awful to work with and also had way to many problems.

But you don't get to dictate they weren't smartphones, just because they were crappy smartphone. It's still a smart phone.

But seriously, it wasn't until roughly 2011 that android was a considerable player. Before that, blackberry was still surprisingly the number one smart phone vendor. Sure as hell riding a lot of momentum from pre-iPhone days for being the best smartphone until the iPhone shook things up, but iPhone didn't pass blackberry in sales numbers till 2011.
 
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