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100%? It took Apple years to chip away at Blackberry's market share. Meanwhile, you had MS come and go,the rise of Samsung and then a whole bunch of Android phones too. All things considered, Apple is doing well.

We just compare to Android the only and main competitor !
The iPhone came out in the beginning of 2017 ( 100 % ) -- Android began to exist late 2008!!

Please be honest all the other where never competitors.
 
Great to see iPhone sales in the UK up from 2015 to 2016 at 9.1 % highest increase out of the six countries.
Also out of the six countries listed the UK has the highest % iPhone sales in last 1/4 2016 - A cats whisker of beating android and at this rate iPhone will overtaking android in the UK.
We do love the iPhone here, long may that continue.
 
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Great to see iPhone sales in the UK up from 2015 to 2016 at 9.1 % highest increase out of the six countries.
Also out of the six countries listed the UK has the highest % iPhone sales in last 1/4 2016 - A cats whisker of beating android and at this rate iPhone will overtaking android in the UK.
We do love the iPhone here, long may that continue.

From a shareholder's viewpoint, it is impressive. All the more so on the back of a falling pound and a consequent rise in prices all round on Apple products. Almost as if iDevices are Giffen goods.
 
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Not in all markets it wasn't. Sony Ericsson had the P800 in 2002 of which you could remove the flip down key pad and use the touchscreen only. I think their may have been a Sharp one to? Their was also Eten and Glofiish in some markets, and O2 XDA phones.

Those phones still had keyboards. You could choose not to use them in many cases, but they still had keyboards.

Many people thought the iPhone was a joke when it was released because it didn't have a physical keyboard.
 
No they didn't. Apple had the first widely available TOUCHSCREEN only (no keyboard) smartphone.

Point of order: shouldn't the very first smartphone ever made (the 1994 IBM Simon, which coincidentally was also all touch) be counted as the first widely available touchscreen smartphone?

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Here's what its touch UI looked like, btw:

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Many people thought the iPhone was a joke when it was released because it didn't have a physical keyboard.

Yep, those who sold to business users thought that, because it was felt that a physical keyboard was quicker and could be used without looking all the time.
 
Point of order: shouldn't the very first smartphone ever made (the 1994 IBM Simon, which coincidentally was also all touch) be counted as the first widely available touchscreen smartphone?

Thank you for showing me that. Very interesting.

Yes, it was a PDA/phone hybrid without a keyboard. It also needed a stylus though, it wasn't touchscreen for fingers as far as I read about it.

But I don't agree that it was 'WIDELY AVAILABLE'. There were only 50,000 phones sold, in it's 6 months on the market, and it was only available in the USA on BellSouth Cellular in 15 states.
 
Many people thought the iPhone was a joke when it was released because it didn't have a physical keyboard.

At 3.5" it was a joke. It needed an off-screen keyboard or a larger Galaxy phablet size screen to be useful. Fortunately, Apple didn't listen to apologists and went the Samsung way.

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At 3.5" it was a joke. It needed an off-screen keyboard or a larger Galaxy phablet size screen to be useful. Fortunately, Apple didn't listen to apologists and went the Samsung way.

Apple's 3.5" screen was seen as TOO BIG by most people at the time. It's screen size was at least TWICE or more what every other phone had.
 
At 3.5" it was a joke. It needed an off-screen keyboard or a larger Galaxy phablet size screen to be useful. Fortunately, Apple didn't listen to apologists and went the Samsung way.

Hindsight is not foresight. At the time, the iPhone got plenty of kudos for rendering webpages more or less in their natural state and legibly so without requiring WAP.
 
Apple's 3.5" screen was seen as TOO BIG by most people at the time. It's screen size was at least TWICE or more what every other phone had.

It wasn't. 4.3" was the norm in 2011 for the whole mobile industry except for the original Galaxy Note which was 5.3". 3.5" was the netbook of mobile phones and was way too small to be useful. I got tired of shoving it in my face to make out anything, constant pinch to zoom was tiresome and dash mounted for GPS navigation was useless that's why I upgraded from iPhone 4S to Galaxy Note II in 2012.
 
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iPhones have come such a long way in just the last few years. When I moved to Android in 2010 it was like a massive breath of fresh air. I tried the iPhone 7 and it was much better but I just wish Apple would iron-out the last few niggles I have with the iPhone and I'd gladly come back. Here's my list:

1. Reinstate the headphone jack. I get that wireless is the future, but let the Airpods tempt me over in time, don't just force it.

2. Stop these pop-ups that stop me doing what I was doing and insist on my immediate attention (Battery low, can't find any wifi networks to join, wifi password has changed etc.).

3. Let me select default apps like Google Maps etc.

4. When someone calls, a pop-up would be fine. I don't need the entire screen to change so I have to stop what I'm doing (like following sat nav).

5. Allow me to arrange icons as I want and allow widgets (proper widgets, not the odd thing the latest iOS has).

6. Ditch the physical mute switch. It's soooo 2007.
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Ironic that your username is "macfacts".
Please educate yourself on the new ios before you say it doesn't do something. Matter of fact just leave apple alone glad the direction the iphone is headed don't need to please those wanting old tech
 
Thank you for showing me that. Very interesting.

At your service, sir.

Yes, it was a PDA/phone hybrid without a keyboard. It also needed a stylus though, it wasn't touchscreen for fingers as far as I read about it.

All such touchscreens worked with fingers. The only time you had to use a stylus, was when the UI buttons were very small... which was true of a lot of UIs made for tiny screens.

In this case, most of the Simon UI was finger friendly with large buttons. (I showed the UI above so you could notice this.) Thus a stylus (or a sharp fingernail) would only be "necessary" when picking something like the relatively tiny calendar dates.

But I don't agree that it was 'WIDELY AVAILABLE'. There were only 50,000 phones sold, in it's 6 months on the market, and it was only available in the USA on BellSouth Cellular in 15 states.

I dunno. I would say that it was widely available and sold really well -- for a $900 device in 1994 :D

(That's about $1400 in today's dollars, and cellular was much more regional back then. Plus heck, it was the FIRST and only smartphone back then. Which means it sold infinitely better than any other smartphone of the time. heee)

But okay, I take your point.

Cheers!
 
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Please educate yourself on the new ios before you say it doesn't do something. Matter of fact just leave apple alone glad the direction the iphone is headed don't need to please those wanting old tech
Can I ask on that list which of the complains is wrong?

I use iOS on my iPad, have bounced to iPhone now and then, and always end up using anrdoid for my main device because of similar issues that he's listed.

if those issues aren't "true". then what isn't true about them?

1. The headphone jack is STILL the #1 used port for audio interfaces around the world, and has been for decades. You can have a wireless headphone and still have a device with the jack. Dropping it just removes user choice.

2. there are many popups that do occur by iOS that come right in your face. software updates for example. Why do these have to be intrusive popups and not just notifications?

3. You still cannot select default apps. While in iOS 10, you can delete Apple's built in default Apps, you still cannot specify other apps. if I delete Apple Music from my iOS, i Cannot specify that google play music is the default music player.

4. When someone is calling you, iOS does change your entire screen to show the caller. in Android land, it's a notification that you can answer or dismiss (if you're in another program). if the phone is locked is the only time you go directly to the phone dialer/app

5. iOS homescreen is still nothing but a grid of icons that are in set order. sure you can change that order, but the apps still start at the top left and must flow down from there. You can't put shortcuts anywhere you want on the display.

6. meh, this is user choice. I like the physical mute switch myself, but personal choice.

so instead of indirectly calling him stupid, and if we're so wrong with these nitpicks, than tell us how to change the settings to allow what we're asking. nothing he's listed here is "old tech". being capable of dropping the iphone port for your own use doesn't make you "fowrard thinking" in tech. it actually makes you an average consumer, who doesn't actually seem to understand whats outside of your own bubble.
 
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It wasn't. 4.3" was the norm in 2011 for the whole mobile industry except for the original Galaxy Note which was 5.3". 3.5" was the netbook of mobile phones and was way too small to be useful. I got tired of shoving it in my face to make out anything, constant pinch to zoom was tiresome and dash mounted for GPS navigation was useless that's why I upgraded from iPhone 4S to Galaxy Note II in 2012.

We're talking about 2007, NOT 2011.
 
Please educate yourself on the new ios before you say it doesn't do something. Matter of fact just leave apple alone glad the direction the iphone is headed don't need to please those wanting old tech
What did I get wrong?
 
Those phones still had keyboards. You could choose not to use them in many cases, but they still had keyboards.

Many people thought the iPhone was a joke when it was released because it didn't have a physical keyboard.

Actually no they did not all have keyboards, and the ones that did you could physically remove them permanently. The iPhone was not by a long way the first touchscreen phone without a physical keyboard.
 
Actually no they did not all have keyboards, and the ones that did you could physically remove them permanently. The iPhone was not by a long way the first touchscreen phone without a physical keyboard.

These are the phones available in 2007:

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These are the phones available in 2007:

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Wow, was that America only then? Or is that the select photograph some Apple fan has used to manipulate everyone's thinking.
Your wrong. look at those for just ONE example:

http://www.gsmarena.com/eten-phones-40.php

I could post endless photos but it's very very very safe to state Apple were NOT the first to market with a keyboard less smart phone.
 
Wow, was that America only then? Or is that the select photograph some Apple fan has used to manipulate everyone's thinking.

I lived it back then. Phones looked like the left side before 2007, then they looked like the right side after 2008.

Manufacturers were scared to sell a phone with just a large touchscreen and no keyboard. People were unsure back then that it would work. Most people wanted physical keys.

Sure there were other manufacturers who tried, there were a few touchscreen phones that didn't sell well because they didn't get the concept of a touch phone - how to make it useful.

None of those large touch screen phones took off until the iPhone, then everyone copied how the iPhone did it.


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By the way, none of what you posted were touch-screen only phones released prior to 2007. Some have larger screens ('large' for the time), but the controls are outside the screen. And some you could touch to an extent, but they didn't have the iPhone interface at all. They were interfaces mimicking Microsoft Windows at the time.
 
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Surprisingly, not many have. Due in part to the hassle of switching eco-systems, and, Samsung offering huge cash incentives to those affected to purchase a different Samsung phone - I heard $500. Anything to keep a customer in their camp.

Not many have switched to iPhone after the battery incident? What's your source?
 
I lived it back then. Phones looked like the left side before 2007, then they looked like the right side after 2008.

Manufacturers were scared to sell a phone with just a large touchscreen and no keyboard. People were unsure back then that it would work. Most people wanted physical keys.

Sure there were other manufacturers who tried, there were a few touchscreen phones that didn't sell well because they didn't get the concept of a touch phone - how to make it useful.

None of those large touch screen phones took off until the iPhone, then everyone copied how the iPhone did it.


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By the way, none of what you posted were touch-screen only phones released prior to 2007. Some have larger screens ('large' for the time), but the controls are outside the screen. And some you could touch to an extent, but they didn't have the iPhone interface at all. They were interfaces mimicking Microsoft Windows at the time.

You are totally and utterly WRONG! Controls outside the screen? WTF? I didn't realise home buttons and volume controls were thought of differently to anything bar the iPhone, and their is a hint of Eten / glofiish designs in the first iPhone.
But you carry on re-writing history to favour Apple which again was not the first to market with a keyboard less smartphone.
You need to comprehend the fact their were and are other much more mature mobile phone mass markets outside the one you live in. The American market thought the RAZER was the latest and greatest whilst in other markets they were making video calls and browsing the web and installing apps already!
 
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We just compare to Android the only and main competitor !
The iPhone came out in the beginning of 2017 ( 100 % ) -- Android began to exist late 2008!!

Please be honest all the other where never competitors.
What??? No one has ever had 100% marketshare on anything. Apple had a lot of competition long before Android. If they didn't have all that competition then, they would have greater marketshare now but the tech world doesn't work in clean starts and stops like that. There are years of overlap and customer migrations that take place. Even right now it's not just iOS and Android because you have to consider Samsung and all of the other Chinese phone makers coming up.
 
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