My Tmobile Wing can do Flash (well, not the best because of the slow processor, but the non-animated flash works fine) ... but yeah the E70 is a kewl phone too ... but wait .. a lot of hard core apple freaks are arrogant ... one of them will come out and say, "uh, you can't compare the iPhone to your phone cause it is not superior enough" even though they are both phones.
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My Tmobile Wing can do Flash (well, not the best because of the slow processor, but the non-animated flash works fine) ... but yeah the E70 is a kewl phone too ... but wait .. a lot of hard core apple freaks are arrogant ... one of them will come out and say, "uh, you can't compare the iPhone to your phone cause it is not superior enough" even though they are both phones.
Not in the UK, txting and MMS is a far bigger deal over here than the US. I'm a pretty typical user and I can quite easily send 20-50 txts a day including a number of picture messages (a picture can say a thousand words). MMS is such a simple basic feature it boggles the mind that it's not included.
This whole sending images/video via email debate leaves out the fact that most people out there are stupid and will not do it properly. I can not see members of my family remembering that they have to do things differently when sending me pictures, so if i had an iphone i would never recieve a pic/video message again.
But as i said it's such a basic feature that there MUST be something in place to handle the recieving of mms to your number, so therefore sending them as well.
Mms
I think the problem with no mms with have is not being able too recieve messages from other peopel with normal phones easily, say your out somewhere and meet a hot girl and you get each others numbers and she doent have an iphone ok
so how can she send u any photos or anything easily? not everyone had email set up on their fones!!!
I think apple will have a few feautures left out as this is the first iphone...remember the first ipod? look how much things have changed since then!
I think the problem with no mms with have is not being able too recieve messages from other peopel with normal phones easily, say your out somewhere and meet a hot girl and you get each others numbers and she doent have an iphone ok
so how can she send u any photos or anything easily? not everyone had email set up on their fones!!!
I think apple will have a few feautures left out as this is the first iphone...remember the first ipod? look how much things have changed since then!
Just maybe... Just maybe...
Its 3:30am and I'm laying awake wondering about a few things.... Just maybe there is a LOT more going on here than anyone seems to be talking about....
- Whenever I see a photo of the iPhone, the little "home button" on the front strikes me as quite, quite out of place. Why put a button there at all? The whole front of the thing is touch-sesitive. But then I looked at my iMac and thought.. Hey, the size and shape of that thing seems to be identical to the integrated iSight camera.
- If its got an iSight camera on the front of it, then you've got to think that the 'mystery app' MUST be iChatAV. Would certainly quell 99% of the comments about IM in this thread so far. And if its the Leopard version, imagine the theatre mode thing where you appear in the little corner section (as you're facing the iPhone) and the big section is what is seen from the camera at the back of the phone. Mightly slick.
- So if its got iChatAV, well, that's not a very popular IM program right now. But if they could somehow tie it into iTunes and provide a Windows client... There are reportedly 300,000,000 iTunes installs out there (speculation of course, might be 500,000,000, might be 200,000,000). ALL of these are also unwittingly QuickTime installs. Between iTunes software and QuickTime, you've got about 95% of the code you need to make iChatAV work. So iChatAV could potentially gain half a billion users overnight in one simple software update.
- It would be easy to hide the fact that it is a camera on the front of the phone simply by not enabling it, or any pre-release applications, to have access to it. Simple upgrade and voila... Stunning new functionality. Fits nicely in to the "...and one last thing..." kind of presentation.
- Next, imagine you're a sales manager sitting at your desk. You use iChat to call up your three travelling salespeople who then participate in an "instant videoconference" by way of their iPhones. Who else could provide the end-to-end stuff to make this work? NetMeeting? MSN with video? I don't really think so. Who said this wasn't targeted at businesses? With this kind of thing just "there", I think it will be bye, bye RIM....
Thoughts, anyone?
Its 3:30am and I'm laying awake wondering about a few things.... Just maybe there is a LOT more going on here than anyone seems to be talking about....
- Whenever I see a photo of the iPhone, the little "home button" on the front strikes me as quite, quite out of place. Why put a button there at all? The whole front of the thing is touch-sesitive. But then I looked at my iMac and thought.. Hey, the size and shape of that thing seems to be identical to the integrated iSight camera.
- If its got an iSight camera on the front of it, then you've got to think that the 'mystery app' MUST be iChatAV. Would certainly quell 99% of the comments about IM in this thread so far. And if its the Leopard version, imagine the theatre mode thing where you appear in the little corner section (as you're facing the iPhone) and the big section is what is seen from the camera at the back of the phone. Mightly slick.
- So if its got iChatAV, well, that's not a very popular IM program right now. But if they could somehow tie it into iTunes and provide a Windows client... There are reportedly 300,000,000 iTunes installs out there (speculation of course, might be 500,000,000, might be 200,000,000). ALL of these are also unwittingly QuickTime installs. Between iTunes software and QuickTime, you've got about 95% of the code you need to make iChatAV work. So iChatAV could potentially gain half a billion users overnight in one simple software update.
- It would be easy to hide the fact that it is a camera on the front of the phone simply by not enabling it, or any pre-release applications, to have access to it. Simple upgrade and voila... Stunning new functionality. Fits nicely in to the "...and one last thing..." kind of presentation.
- Next, imagine you're a sales manager sitting at your desk. You use iChat to call up your three travelling salespeople who then participate in an "instant videoconference" by way of their iPhones. Who else could provide the end-to-end stuff to make this work? NetMeeting? MSN with video? I don't really think so. Who said this wasn't targeted at businesses? With this kind of thing just "there", I think it will be bye, bye RIM....
Thoughts, anyone?
The NO MMS support is a bad joke. All the other features are as I expected. But no MMS is just retarded. They better fix that with a software update before it comes to Europe.
Arrogance
Once again, the feature that *you* use, must be a feature that *everyone* uses. You're completely wrong, of course.
I have owned a cell phone since they came in bags with external batteries, or for a few hundred more, were available as bricks that looked like Korean War-era field communication devices.
I don't care to count how many different carriers I have tried, or how many different phones I have used, but it is in the dozens.. and like most people I know, I have used MMS about twice. Once because the phone had it, and I wanted to see how it worked, and again to make sure it was as pointless to me personally as I thought it was the first time.
Yes, MANY people would use it a lot. To say that 99% (or whatever imaginary number you pull out of your heiny at the moment) want or "need" it is completely ridiculous, and makes everything else you say sound like petulant whining.
Once again, the feature that *you* use, must be a feature that *everyone* uses. You're completely wrong, of course.
I have owned a cell phone since they came in bags with external batteries, or for a few hundred more, were available as bricks that looked like Korean War-era field communication devices.
I don't care to count how many different carriers I have tried, or how many different phones I have used, but it is in the dozens.. and like most people I know, I have used MMS about twice. Once because the phone had it, and I wanted to see how it worked, and again to make sure it was as pointless to me personally as I thought it was the first time.
Yes, MANY people would use it a lot. To say that 99% (or whatever imaginary number you pull out of your heiny at the moment) want or "need" it is completely ridiculous, and makes everything else you say sound like petulant whining.
Ok let's be clear -
1: It does do SMS and by the looks of things a lot nicer than any phone we'll ever have used.
2: Apparentely it doesn't do MMS. I'm sure this post hasn't escaped Apple's attention and so it'll probably be in the first wave of s/w updates.
3: There are other ways ( stopgaps perhaps) to send and receive piccies and video clips.
You know this is a pretty big thing for Apple - new phone - new product. I'm sure there are going to be a few funnies at the beginning but it's all s/w and so it can and will get sorted out.
There is for receiving: it's set by the carrier. You'll get a standard SMS with a URL to view the picture/media. So on the iPhone you'll then have to connect to the Web to view it.
Retarded, yes, but this is what we'll have to put up with as clearly the iPhone is a US-centric device and all us Europeans and Asians know they are way behind in mobile phone technology.
When Apple do launch it in Europe/Asia I expect/hope for a software update to enable MMS support.
I'll still be all over it without MMS though to be honest
Unless they are going to provide exchange connectivity (a la Blackberry), this is a non-starter for those of us in a corporate environment. Bummer.
Aren't you supposed to try to remain anonymous when sending in this kind of stuff? I know "Cindynjgirl79" doesn't exactly give away your home address, but at least they're in the right state!
Then again, I suppose the manual just fell off a truck
.People can get angry for all they want because other people are angry that there are certain things missing which means quite a lot for people, but it's quite childish to defend things that are missing that is quite ridiculous when most phones have these features. The last two phones I got were free with renewing my plans and they both had MMS and IM!
And for all the people talking about work-arounds for MMS and IMs: Isn't the iPhone about ease-of-use and about as little work as possible to get what you want?
"Haha, man, you have to check out this picture I just took!"
"Alright, text me it."
"Well, actually, you gotta check your email, I don't have MMS."
"You can't MMS? Didn't you just buy a top of the line IPHONE?!"
And for all people that are going to say some people have email on their phones. Yeah, well most people, especially ones I know, don't.
Also they're promoting the amazing feature of surfing the web while on a call! But wait until people are at most of the places they are where there isn't wi-fi and want to use that feature. If I wasn't a mac freak and went to all these sites multiple times a day I'd be quite pissed off to find this out on release day. I pray to God before it comes out or on June 29th they announce 3rd party support, so we can get these quite normal and clutch features onto this phone.
With every update I'm getting more and more upset about this, and now wonder if the 600 dollars, which I busted my ass off saving for being a lowly under-grad, is even worth it to blow it all away. I didn't mind having to cut my ipod collection down to 1/10th to what I had, and tried to make up reasons to not care about 3g even though its prominent in my area, but with this new info...Maybe that's why I'm a little irked about all this information that's coming out.
And for all the people talking about work-arounds for MMS and IMs: Isn't the iPhone about ease-of-use and about as little work as possible to get what you want?
"Haha, man, you have to check out this picture I just took!"
"Alright, text me it."
"Well, actually, you gotta check your email, I don't have MMS."
"You can't MMS? Didn't you just buy a top of the line IPHONE?!"
And for all people that are going to say some people have email on their phones. Yeah, well most people, especially ones I know, don't.
Also they're promoting the amazing feature of surfing the web while on a call! But wait until people are at most of the places they are where there isn't wi-fi and want to use that feature. If I wasn't a mac freak and went to all these sites multiple times a day I'd be quite pissed off to find this out on release day. I pray to God before it comes out or on June 29th they announce 3rd party support, so we can get these quite normal and clutch features onto this phone.
With every update I'm getting more and more upset about this, and now wonder if the 600 dollars, which I busted my ass off saving for being a lowly under-grad, is even worth it to blow it all away. I didn't mind having to cut my ipod collection down to 1/10th to what I had, and tried to make up reasons to not care about 3g even though its prominent in my area, but with this new info...Maybe that's why I'm a little irked about all this information that's coming out.
It would be awesome to have this functionality, but the camera would have to be at the top of the device to make this feasible. Otherwise, your hand would constantly get in the way of the camera's view.
Very well put. I was really looking forward to dumping my SE W850, which has replaced my iPod, but now I think I'll wait for rev. B or C of the iPhone. Like you always should anyway
I think you're on to something here. Seeing as how GPS is called out as NOT in the iPhone, you have to wonder what Apple might be holding back as a "Big" feature. This makes perfect sense! Also, the criticism about the camera being at the bottom of the screen is wrong, the whole point of the tilt sensor is that the GUI can realign itself. Button on bottom for most uses, button on side for movies, button (camera) on top for iChatAV.
I think someone's going to owe you $50 at launch when this function is turned on!
Seems to be an awful lot of fear and loathing coming from NEWBIES.
So for them I'll explore a few points for those who have not perhaps enjoyed such a long term and rewarding relationship with Apple Zen as many of us have (sorry if that sounds patronising but it's genuinely not meant to be)...
1: Apple is the best S/W-H/W integrator in the world - bar none!. Have confidence that everything that's actually included on the iphone will be the best of the best by a significant margin. This should more than compensate for the odd 'feature' that missed the boat.
2: iphone is 100% software built on OSX and has been designed to be application centric. This means like OSX on the macs it will feature from many and varied software updates on a regular basis. Meaning things will ONLY get better and better - unlike every other phone in the world!
3: I've used an LG Prada and whilst the 'touch screen' works very nicely the S/W sucks. This reiterates what Steve said recently at All Things Digital that nobody can do s/w like Apple.
4: GPS - ok sure I'd have liked it but Google Maps - well let's face it generally YOU know where you are or can find out and so this is still pretty cool. It's at least as useful as it is on your home computer.
5: What's to come - Who knows but I can guarantee that this is not a 'hobby' device like Apple TV but will become their FIRST and most important core product line and so will get all the support and development it will need.
After the 29th June the world will be divided in to three types of people ;
Those who have an iphone, those who want an iphone, sadomasocists.
So for them I'll explore a few points for those who have not perhaps enjoyed such a long term and rewarding relationship with Apple Zen as many of us have (sorry if that sounds patronising but it's genuinely not meant to be)...
1: Apple is the best S/W-H/W integrator in the world - bar none!. Have confidence that everything that's actually included on the iphone will be the best of the best by a significant margin. This should more than compensate for the odd 'feature' that missed the boat.
2: iphone is 100% software built on OSX and has been designed to be application centric. This means like OSX on the macs it will feature from many and varied software updates on a regular basis. Meaning things will ONLY get better and better - unlike every other phone in the world!
3: I've used an LG Prada and whilst the 'touch screen' works very nicely the S/W sucks. This reiterates what Steve said recently at All Things Digital that nobody can do s/w like Apple.
4: GPS - ok sure I'd have liked it but Google Maps - well let's face it generally YOU know where you are or can find out and so this is still pretty cool. It's at least as useful as it is on your home computer.
5: What's to come - Who knows but I can guarantee that this is not a 'hobby' device like Apple TV but will become their FIRST and most important core product line and so will get all the support and development it will need.
After the 29th June the world will be divided in to three types of people ;
Those who have an iphone, those who want an iphone, sadomasocists.
I don't agree with the criticism about the camera location either, as it isn't significantly obstructed in any of the videos or photos of the camera I've seen. Aside from the fact that they use it as a button infrequently. Turning it upside down might be a novel way to approach it, but I was thinking that you'd just turn it on its side like you do for watching movies (widescreen only) as the video you'd want to shoot would presumably be widescreen as well so you'd want the thing oriented that way anyway. Maybe that's why they always turn it one particular way... the other way starts up iChat... Sneaky...
Sure hope so anyway.
i'm definitely NOT getting or even considering this phone for all the NOTs included in the workbook.
- iPhone users will not be able to conduct IM conversations with instant messaging users
- Does not support MMS messaging for photos or videos
- Media Net, MobiTV, or Cellular Video are not available on iPhone
- iPhone will not support the TeleNav solutions currently offered by other AT&T devices
- GPS is not part of the iPhone feature set.
first one... well what the hell... i want to go on aim, think about the people with sidekicks who were thinking about switching. i send picture messages all the time as i'm sure other people do as well. those other at&t related features are kinda corny, but they are forms of entertainment and many people have grown accustomed to on their mobile phones. there is one good thing that i read today, synchronize with outlook, but i saw nothing about appointments, just contacts...
- iPhone users will not be able to conduct IM conversations with instant messaging users
- Does not support MMS messaging for photos or videos
- Media Net, MobiTV, or Cellular Video are not available on iPhone
- iPhone will not support the TeleNav solutions currently offered by other AT&T devices
- GPS is not part of the iPhone feature set.
first one... well what the hell... i want to go on aim, think about the people with sidekicks who were thinking about switching. i send picture messages all the time as i'm sure other people do as well. those other at&t related features are kinda corny, but they are forms of entertainment and many people have grown accustomed to on their mobile phones. there is one good thing that i read today, synchronize with outlook, but i saw nothing about appointments, just contacts...
I don't really get the fuss about the lac of MMS. All that happens is that the iPhone recieves a SMS with a URL to the picture. It allows for far better picture quality on sent images (MMS is size capped) and probably works out cheaper in the long run.
Data plan not mandatory
The description of Yahoo push EMail says a data plan is required. So... perhaps you don't NEED to purchase one to purchase the phone! That might save some people $20/month (current unlimited plan) and I guess you'd be limited to browsing and EMailing with WiFi.
The description of Yahoo push EMail says a data plan is required. So... perhaps you don't NEED to purchase one to purchase the phone! That might save some people $20/month (current unlimited plan) and I guess you'd be limited to browsing and EMailing with WiFi.