iPhone Details from AT&T's Sales Training Workbook

[jubjub]

Unless I'm mistaken about the extent of 'free yahoo push email' then why would you want to PAY to send MMS texts when you can send and receive luxurious email for FREE?

Yes.. but as many have said before.. it's always nice to be able to send those pictures to all your friends (or whatever) who still use a crappy old phone. As for the worries about receiving MMSesses(?).. those messages you get: "you have an MMS waiting for you at suckyoperator.com"
never seemed to work back when I had a phone without MMS capability, but maybe that's just me (and Telia for all you swedes out there).

"MMS - It just works.. I take a photo and boom it's sent, to anyone, anywhere! It amazing." (You get the point )

 

[rtdunham]

I never turn my cell phone off on airplanes and it has never caused a problem...so just go ahead and use it anyway.

AND: " I don't see why it's stupid, considering it has never caused any problems?"

that's hilarious!

so if you've driven drunk once and didn't have a wreck, it's all good for the future? Keep diving into those shallow lakes! You didn't break your neck the first time, did you? (unlike one of my relatives)

Can someone either explain for this poster the difference between anecdotal and empirical evidence, OR give him his Darwin Award?

 

[Cappy]

I swear most of you act like you've never owned or used a cell phone before.

Not necessarily related to that for those who were questioning/commenting on using the iphone on an airline it can be a very simple solution by taking a page from Palm and their Treo. With my Treo 650 it's incredibly simple to turn the phone off yet still use the pda side. We're not talking rocket science or any sort of terrorism. Hopefully Apple had an engineer with a brain to consider this. Of course if not they'll use some stupid excuse stating that due to the level of integration it couldn't be done. <sigh>

For those criticizing the iphone keep in mind that the thing that has been said all along that what makes the iphone special is the interface. Those bickering over features should learn to be reasonable that these are merely tools or even toys in some eyes just like computers are. If the iphone doesn't have the feature you want, you buy another damn phone. You don't have to buy only Apple products...there really are other products out there that are pretty good. Some of you I seriously think lead too much of an Apple sheltered life. <sigh>

While I've been happy with my Treo I will be taking a hard look at the iphone. The thing many of you need to keep in mind is that there are many unknowns still and Apple was close to being pretty blunt about how they'll be rolling features out later.

 

[Willis]

well then there's some kind of hope. those remaining pages better have some good stuff on them.

Nope, they wont... they are just training pages..

 

[Ha ze]

okay...

- don't care to much about not having GPS, I imagine maps has some nifty little trick.
- don't mind not have AIM or iChat... don't use that on my current phone

- want pic messages, i DO send those all the time, makes no sense to omit them

 

[neptunet]

No MMS

I've got bad news for those of you that are thinking you can send pics to the phonenumber@wirelesscarrier.com. It's true that that works, but it won't work on the iPhone and here's why. Without the on-phone MMS system that limits messages to the proper size, the carrier-MMS system will remove objects that aren't appropriate, such as the 2 megapixel photos the iPhone takes. My Sony Ericsson K790a takes 3.2 megapixel images but downscales them to VGA or lower to meet less than 100k for sending in an MMS. Anybody that thinks you will be able to email photos to someone's MMS email address, go ahead and send a photo from your computer right now and see if it shows up. Only attachments that meet the specification for the receiving phone will show, usually images whose size is very, very small in pixel dimensions.

This makes me very unlikely to get an iPhone.

 

[strangelogic]

Chat and Browse only when you are in a wi-fi hotspot... It's still nice, but... it is not like you can do it all the time.

 

[nospleen]

I could care less about MMS, but, I am glad that some people here seem to be bothered with it. Just in case the 3 million iPhones available at launch is an over estimate, it should only increase my chances of getting one on the 29th.

 

[paulyras]

Seriously? If the phones actually posed any significant danger do you really think they would be so casual about this? Personally, I would never fly if I knew that my life is now going to depend on Joe Blow in seat 17B who can't even remember to turn his phone off during a movie.

Yeah, those rules are stupid. Emirates now allows cell phone use, and I haven't heard of any of their planes falling from the sky...http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/12/21/wired.airlines/index.html.

I was sitting next to a guy who had flown his cessna to be overhauled, and was flying home commercially the other day. He had an AVIATION GPS (made for planes), and the flight attendant made him turn it off because it might interrupt the navigation by absorbing the GPS signals so the plane's own GPS couldn't get them.

Stupid on so many levels....

At the end of the day, it's not whether it has airplane mode, it's how convincingly you can tell the flight attendants it's in airplane mode when they ask.

 

[iMichael72]

Thanks Cindynjgirl79! Great info.

I scheduled off the 29th. Fingers crossed!

 

[CoreWeb]

Yeah, those rules are stupid. Emirates now allows cell phone use, and I haven't heard of any of their planes falling from the sky...http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/12/21/wired.airlines/index.html.

I was sitting next to a guy who had flown his cessna to be overhauled, and was flying home commercially the other day. He had an AVIATION GPS (made for planes), and the flight attendant made him turn it off because it might interrupt the navigation by absorbing the GPS signals so the plane's own GPS couldn't get them.

Stupid on so many levels....

At the end of the day, it's not whether it has airplane mode, it's how convincingly you can tell the flight attendants it's in airplane mode when they ask.

Actually, I believe one time a GPS device did disrupt the plane's equipment. The captain sent the flight attendants to find out where it might be coming from, and they found someone using a GPS device.

 

[popeyecahn]

#1 i don't work for them (apple or at&t) #2 and no word from anyone on this

My guess, either she or the SO work for the company that printed them, or she found it in a Starbux :lol:

 

[rpaloalto]

I cant wait, I'm camping out at the at&t store as of right now I

 

[ajpprc]

You're right, just to test it out I sent an MMS to myself from mail this morning to see how it worked. I was hoping that the server would downsize the image, but it didn't. When I sent a full sized image the message came through but the image was not there. When I used mail to scale the image down to small it went through just fine. Unless email on the iPhone automatically scales images down we're screwed.

I've got bad news for those of you that are thinking you can send pics to the phonenumber@wirelesscarrier.com. It's true that that works, but it won't work on the iPhone and here's why. Without the on-phone MMS system that limits messages to the proper size, the carrier-MMS system will remove objects that aren't appropriate, such as the 2 megapixel photos the iPhone takes. My Sony Ericsson K790a takes 3.2 megapixel images but downscales them to VGA or lower to meet less than 100k for sending in an MMS. Anybody that thinks you will be able to email photos to someone's MMS email address, go ahead and send a photo from your computer right now and see if it shows up. Only attachments that meet the specification for the receiving phone will show, usually images whose size is very, very small in pixel dimensions.

This makes me very unlikely to get an iPhone.

 

[joeconvert]

Yeah. Those were my thoughts exactly.

It seems like they've considered many possibilities already. It's cool, for example, that you'll be able to browse and talk at the same time.

Yeah, it better since every smart phone I've used for at least 18 months could as well.

 

[phil83]

Nuts!

What drives me nuts is that last sentence on the cover of the sales book: "There me be some features that will not be revealed till the day the phone goes on sale"

-Does anyone actually think that there will be some secret feature?

 

[66318]

Yeah, those rules are stupid. Emirates now allows cell phone use, and I haven't heard of any of their planes falling from the sky...http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/12/21/wired.airlines/index.html.

Only one other person here caught on to the technical reason cell phones aren't allowed to be on during a flight. And it's not because it will crash a plane. It is because at flight elevation, your cell phone will see so many different towers with weak signals and start trying to talk to them all to find the strongest signal, tying up a slot on each one. So, if you have a ton of people in the air doing this, it could be enough to overload cell phone towers across a large area.

So for those saying "Oh, well, I leave my phone on and nothing has happened.", well, you don't know the full impact of your actions. It's very possible you have prevented someone from making a call on the ground by doing so. Especially during times of take off and landing where you are likely to be near the ground and over a city.

The link you provided describes systems being installed into the plane. Those systems are likely cell phone repeaters. They put out a strong enough signal that all the phone on the plane latch on to it and don't attempt to find other towers. The repeater is made for flight use and can then link to cell phone towers in a non disruptive way. One repeater vs possibly 400-500 phones is a much better situation.

And is this coming to the US anytime soon? Well, it's going to take more work here to get working with the variety of "standards" all the wireless carriers chose. Most of the world just has to support GSM, so they get new toys like this first. But here, some device like this for a plane would have to support GSM And CDMA at a minimum, and still not be 100% compatible.

Anyhow, I really hope these repeaters don't get to be too common. Beyond the technical reason, there is always the social issue of having to deal with a cabin full of loud mouthed chatty people. "What?! WHAT!!, No honey, I want beef for dinner! What? I can't hear you!, I said BEEF!!!". No thanks.

 

[joeconvert]

OK, I have a question that I have not seen anywhere yet. What about on an airplane? Cell phones can't be used at all, but if I want to watch a movie (a main reason for me to have a widescreen iPod) I can't, because I can't turn on my cell phone. Will the iPhone have an airplane mode? I'm thinking it won't.

You're right, I am sure Apple forgot this. Turning off the radio has only existed on cell phones for 10 years.

 

[lilnyc]

Yeah. Those were my thoughts exactly.

It seems like they've considered many possibilities already. It's cool, for example, that you'll be able to browse and talk at the same time.

I'm in. The 8525 allows that because of 3G, so I wasn't going to swap. connecting to wi-fi can be shakey, but I'll take my chances now that with a wi-fi connection you CAN get data while talking. Sweet.

 

[irkedpenguin]

What drives me nuts is that last sentence on the cover of the sales book: "There me be some features that will not be revealed till the day the phone goes on sale"

-Does anyone actually think that there will be some secret feature?

I doubt there will be any hardware changes, but software on the other hand. Maybe Apple is working on iChat, but they dont know if it will be done in time for the launch.

 

[ajpprc]

They won't do anything to the hardware like add 3G, GPS or double the memory, however I wouldn't be surprised if there were some minor software additions/tweaks. High on my list would be:

Viewers for office documents
MMS support
Ability to use an external GPS over Bluetooth with Google Maps

What drives me nuts is that last sentence on the cover of the sales book: "There me be some features that will not be revealed till the day the phone goes on sale"

-Does anyone actually think that there will be some secret feature?

 

[fairnymph]

that's hilarious!

so if you've driven drunk once and didn't have a wreck, it's all good for the future? Keep diving into those shallow lakes! You didn't break your neck the first time, did you? (unlike one of my relatives)

Can someone either explain for this poster the difference between anecdotal and empirical evidence, OR give him his Darwin Award?

Well, the data does not conclusively suggest that cell phones on airplanes are dangerous (let alone ones that are simply ON, not being USED). Beyond that, if they WERE so dangerous, I'm sure that more rigorous procedures would be in place to assure that all cell phones were completely off.

So your analogy (driving drunk, into shallow lakes, etc) is a very poor one, as the risk is much greater with those activities. [Leaving cell phone, unused, is in comparison] hardly worthy of a Darwin award. In any case, I have no doubt I will outlive you.

 

[jkbuster]

Its 3:30am and I'm laying awake wondering about a few things.... Just maybe there is a LOT more going on here than anyone seems to be talking about....

- Whenever I see a photo of the iPhone, the little "home button" on the front strikes me as quite, quite out of place. Why put a button there at all? The whole front of the thing is touch-sesitive. But then I looked at my iMac and thought.. Hey, the size and shape of that thing seems to be identical to the integrated iSight camera.

- If its got an iSight camera on the front of it, then you've got to think that the 'mystery app' MUST be iChatAV. Would certainly quell 99% of the comments about IM in this thread so far. And if its the Leopard version, imagine the theatre mode thing where you appear in the little corner section (as you're facing the iPhone) and the big section is what is seen from the camera at the back of the phone. Mightly slick.

- So if its got iChatAV, well, that's not a very popular IM program right now. But if they could somehow tie it into iTunes and provide a Windows client... There are reportedly 300,000,000 iTunes installs out there (speculation of course, might be 500,000,000, might be 200,000,000). ALL of these are also unwittingly QuickTime installs. Between iTunes software and QuickTime, you've got about 95% of the code you need to make iChatAV work. So iChatAV could potentially gain half a billion users overnight in one simple software update.

- It would be easy to hide the fact that it is a camera on the front of the phone simply by not enabling it, or any pre-release applications, to have access to it. Simple upgrade and voila... Stunning new functionality. Fits nicely in to the "...and one last thing..." kind of presentation.

- Next, imagine you're a sales manager sitting at your desk. You use iChat to call up your three travelling salespeople who then participate in an "instant videoconference" by way of their iPhones. Who else could provide the end-to-end stuff to make this work? NetMeeting? MSN with video? I don't really think so. Who said this wasn't targeted at businesses? With this kind of thing just "there", I think it will be bye, bye RIM....

Thoughts, anyone?

I see a big problem with this: battery life. It is VERY doubtful that the iPhones battery will be able to support 2 cameras and an internet connection for very long.

 

[MrCrowbar]

Actually, I believe one time a GPS device did disrupt the plane's equipment. The captain sent the flight attendants to find out where it might be coming from, and they found someone using a GPS device.

Hmmm usually GPS devices only receive signals. Like a handheld TV or a radio receiver. Either the device had some high electromagnetic radiation (i.e. did not pass FCC testing) or has some bluetooth or other wireless connection. My basic Tomtom Go (a GPS navigation system) has bluetooth for getting traffic information over a bluetooth equipped cellphone.

Or the passenger had a large piece of a GPS sattelite in his hand luggage, which is rather unprobable but fun to imagine

Bottom Line: Airport mode makes sense. Switch off your cell phone in planes, you don't get any signal anyway, do you?

 

[lilnyc]

Its not illegal, its a policy SOME airlines put in place. Theres no laws saying you HAVE to have your phone off.


Flight Mode
AKA airplane mode, offline mode, or standalone mode

Some phones and other wireless devices have a special "flight" or "airplane" mode that turns off just the wireless radio parts of the device, for safe use on an airplane where radio transmitters are not allowed.

Most airlines and many governments ban the use of wireless radio devices during flight, to prevent interference with the plane's radio and navigation systems.

Airplane mode therefore allows the user to safely use the non-wireless functions of a phone (such as music, games or organizer functions) on an airplane during flight.

However, not all airlines have policies that accommodate devices with airplane mode; some airlines still ban the use of all phones during flight regardless.

BUT if there is any slight possibility that it can compromise safety, why should anyone take it lightly? I turn off my phone on airplanes when asked, and would do it even if I were not asked because it IS a policy for some airlines for a reason.