iPhone Driver's Licenses Will Be Accepted in Apps on iOS 16

Wrong, if you hand them an unlocked phone they can look at anything they want.
They cannot without a search warrant. They can confiscate it but are still not allowed to go through it. They are not allowed to go through your phone. It was against the policy and I believe it still is. I worked at a police station. This is what I was doing for a everyday living. What information would they look for at a traffic stop?


 
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They cannot without a search warrant. They can confiscate it but are still not allowed to go through it. They are not allowed to go through your phone. It was against the policy and I believe it still is. I worked at a police station. This is what I was doing for a everyday living. What information would they look for at a traffic stop?



There is a difference between LE arresting you and wanting to look through your phone versus you potentially handing an officer an unlocked phone for the purpose of showing your ID.

As for your question about what could they look for at a traffic stop... could be as simple as they saw you using the phone while driving and check to see if you sent a text message around that time, helping the case that you were using your phone while driving.

I acknowledge that LE cannot just force you to open your phone when arrested, what I am suggesting is that IF you willingly hand them your unlocked phone then all bets are off.
 
There is a difference between LE arresting you and wanting to look through your phone versus you potentially handing an officer an unlocked phone for the purpose of showing your ID.

As for your question about what could they look for at a traffic stop... could be as simple as they saw you using the phone while driving and check to see if you sent a text message around that time, helping the case that you were using your phone while driving.

I acknowledge that LE cannot just force you to open your phone when arrested, what I am suggesting is that IF you willingly hand them your unlocked phone then all bets are off.
If you hand them your phone. They cannot and are not allowed to go through your phone. They will check your ID, that’s it.

I got a warning for using my phone while driving. The cops didn’t even bother pulling me over and saying give us your phone. Sadly, People text and drive all the time. When they get pulled over they get a ticket for texting and driving. Nothing else. However, no way officers are sitting there searching your phone. They don’t have the time.

Trust me, they can get in a lot of trouble with the internal affairs bureau. So they wouldn’t even bother unless there is a signed court order. When I worked at a police station, the officers/detectives would search your phone if there was a murder or domestic violence case. Something very intense/high profile. Still it was a long process because the judge has to sign the order and give permission to the department to review it for evidence. A lot goes behind it.
 
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Hand my unlocked phone to a police officer? Pass.
Right? I don't want to hand my phone to anyone for anything, but especially not a cop.
Looks like a double-tap of the power button on a locked iPhone will unlock just the wallet.

Nvm. Getting really inconsistent results. 😳
I still don't want the cop to have the phone. How am I supposed to record their behavior if they have my phone?
 
If you hand them your phone. They cannot and are not allowed to go through your phone. They will check your ID, that’s it.

Well, try as I might I cannot find any references to what LE can do with a phone that is willingly handed to them in an open state so we are probably at an impasse. I'd be perfectly happy to be wrong but in this instance I don't think I am.

Regardless, personally I cannot think of any reason to place my drivers license on my phone, just seems like an exploit waiting to happen.
 
I would have thought my saying the word "pass" would have been an indication that I don't plan to utilize it. Guess I was wrong. 🤷‍♂️

I live in Georgia and I can guarantee you that the police here will find some way to abuse this. And I say this as someone that used to work in law enforcement. But if others want to use it then be my guest.
There are other use cases for this. Many people forget their IDs for whatever reason when it’s necessary. And this just gives you an extra option to ID yourself. I like it. You don’t have to use it.
 
Hand my unlocked phone to a police officer? Pass.

I would think you would just "tap" your phone so they can access your card information, much like touch-less credit-cards, which you can do while the phone is locked - but this is just a guess.
 
Speaking as a lawyer who is “neutral,” i.e., working only for a trial court in California the last several years, the only thing that can be said with certainty about a digital driver’s license on your phone is that it will take a good deal of time for the judiciary to settle on any comprehensive or “bright line” rule regarding the 4th Amendment (and any more expansive state rights against warrantless searches and seizures) implications. California only recently held that the failure to produce ID and registration on a traffic stop doesn’t allow a warrantless search of the stopped vehicle under the automobile exception. Since this will be a state-by-state adoption, I would be cautious about enabling legislation providing that use of the digital ID confers express or implied consent to warrantless phone searches. If this is truly contactless and wireless, and doesn’t require physically unlocking and handing over the device to validate the license holder, then it is a much better case that no implied consent is being given. To those who commented that any phone search without a warrant is illegal and that a private cause of action would lie, I would just point out that if the officer can establish probable cause to search and/or seize then the search and/or seizure may be upheld; even if probable cause is deficient, any incriminating evidence still might not be suppressed if a judge/magistrate finds the officer acted in “good faith,” meaning not contrary to settled law at the time. And as for a state or federal civil rights lawsuit arising out of an unlawful search or seizure, check with a local civil lawyer who specializes in them; there are governmental immunities that may make the case a non-starter and juries in different venues vary greatly in terms of liability and damages. Long story, short: if you care about this issue, it would be wise to wait a few years for the courts and the legislatures to catch up and don’t necessarily count on a civil remedy!
 
I have the driver’s license on my phone. It is in the Apple wallet and all you see is a credit card sized image with the Arizona logo, a cactus, etc and just my first name and last initial. Nothing to see, nothing comes up if you try to open it or tap, etc. It is designed to be used with a reader. (I use it with TSA at the airport in PHX). Just like Apple Pay or other contactless methods, you do not hand your phone to anyone. In my experience the TSA agent asks you to tap the reader with your phone and on their screen it pulls up your DL, photo, etc. One less thing to fumble with at airport security. Not designed for a traffic stop or to replace a physical DL. Again, the iphone never left my hands.
 
For all people
As we have had our drivers license in apple wallet for some time here in Iceland, my phone has totally replaced my wallet, and by the way, when we use the digital drivers license we don't hand the phone to the police, we simply open Apple Wallet an select the licence and show it to the police, and they scan a barcode on it to verify it.
 
I would have thought my saying the word "pass" would have been an indication that I don't plan to utilize it. Guess I was wrong. 🤷‍♂️
I don’t know who’s right, but just FYI, you said “pass” to handing your unlocked phone to a police officer, which was the assumption that the user was correcting.
 
As we have had our drivers license in apple wallet for some time here in Iceland, my phone has totally replaced my wallet, and by the way, when we use the digital drivers license we don't hand the phone to the police, we simply open Apple Wallet an select the licence and show it to the police, and they scan a barcode on it to verify it.
The US is always slow to adopt technologies..
 
I see this as an alternative if somebody did not have their ID with them or maybe they don’t want to carry their wallet/purse with them, and their phone is the only source of identifying themselves for XYZ reason.

Regardless, this is probably the future of eliminating physical IDs at some point.
 
Anyone who thinks you’ll be handing unlocked phones to the police is ignorant about the subject. You don’t. It’s like tap to pay. You hold it near a reader, a pop up shows you EXACTLY what data from the ID will be sent to the reader, and you approve with Face ID, Touch ID, or Passcode. The officer never touches the phone. If they ask for your phone, just say no and lock it
 
There is a difference between LE arresting you and wanting to look through your phone versus you potentially handing an officer an unlocked phone for the purpose of showing your ID.

As for your question about what could they look for at a traffic stop... could be as simple as they saw you using the phone while driving and check to see if you sent a text message around that time, helping the case that you were using your phone while driving.

I acknowledge that LE cannot just force you to open your phone when arrested, what I am suggesting is that IF you willingly hand them your unlocked phone then all bets are off.
You don’t hand the phone to show the ID. That’s not how it works.
 
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