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iPhone firmware update 1.1.1 released!
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I wish someone else would try it. I have a friend working on it now on his phone.
When he gets it going, I will let you know
I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not about to try and play one and say what is and what is not legal.
But I will note that both Apple and AT&T have a large number of lawyers. And I find it unfathomable to believe that those lawyers have not spent a great number of billable hours on many of the arguments people are tossing back and forth here.
I highly doubt Apple and AT&T willingly decided to violate existing federal and state laws across the board in the hope that nobody would notice. I expect they are the ones arguing from a position of strength, and I imagine that strength is based on the foundations of the legal code more then raw dollars.
But I will note that both Apple and AT&T have a large number of lawyers. And I find it unfathomable to believe that those lawyers have not spent a great number of billable hours on many of the arguments people are tossing back and forth here.
I highly doubt Apple and AT&T willingly decided to violate existing federal and state laws across the board in the hope that nobody would notice. I expect they are the ones arguing from a position of strength, and I imagine that strength is based on the foundations of the legal code more then raw dollars.
Seriously, will all the unlockers and hackers start another thread to moan about how the clearly stated warning against hacking and/or unlocking somehow shouldn't apply to them?
Let's use this thread for the 95% of us that are following the end-user agreement and are actually using the phone in it's intended state.
I for one will never understand why people would spend hours and hours and risk bricking their phone getting some lame NES emulator or some other equally unnecessary and unstable 3rd party app. I can play vastly superior games on a GAMING DEVICE that costs less than half an iphone. I don't need a vast collection of some stupid and childish ringtones hacked onto my phone (how many people over the age of 17 actually use songs as ringtones anyways? When I see a grown adult with a phone blasting some ludacris song when it rings, I think what a total idiot.)
Let's use this thread for the 95% of us that are following the end-user agreement and are actually using the phone in it's intended state.
I for one will never understand why people would spend hours and hours and risk bricking their phone getting some lame NES emulator or some other equally unnecessary and unstable 3rd party app. I can play vastly superior games on a GAMING DEVICE that costs less than half an iphone. I don't need a vast collection of some stupid and childish ringtones hacked onto my phone (how many people over the age of 17 actually use songs as ringtones anyways? When I see a grown adult with a phone blasting some ludacris song when it rings, I think what a total idiot.)
In 7.4.0, which is what stongrace said he was using, you don't need to name it back to m4a, it is fine in m4r. It is the 7.4.1 apple fix that makes you have to go back to m4a.
Also, one person in everything iphone forum had his .m4? workaround ringtones survive the update. He was using 7.4.1 I think. He said he hit restore before the update. When he hit restore, I tunes asked him if he wanted to update his phone. He hit yes. That was the first time I had heard of ringtones surviving so I don't know if it is the restore/updeate issue or something else but he has full functionality on the ringtones.
You sir are my new hero!
Does anyone see a diff in speakerphone volume? Songs play nice and loud but answer a call and the volume fades. What gives?
Its nice that you feel that way, others don't. Why do you care how someone's phone rings? If you use marimba and they use strum, how does that affect your life?
In my mind there is a difference between unlocking/hacking and adding a ring tone. I have done nothing to the phone at all! Its not hacked in anyway!
So if think that way, exactly why you buy the iPhone if you knew that it required you to activate it with AT&T and to carry a 2 year contract?
There is no law that says that, you have the right to unlock it if you so desire, the law does not force you to unlock it. There is no law that says that after the hack to unlock it, it has to work and that Apple is obligated to support you.
People have the right not to purchase the iPhone if they don't agree with the policy, they can also buy it and never use it or activate it, just another nicknak on the mantel.
It makes no sense why someone will buy it knowing the restrictions and then make a case about it.
Sotnegrace said he used "MakeiPhoneRingtone" not "iphoneringtonemaker". I didn't understand him to say that MakeiPhoneRingtone bypassed itunes at all to get them to the phone, I thought it was simply an automated way to do the .m4a hack
From what I understand it is just an automated way to change the file to the right format.
I tried just changing the ext myself, but it didnt work, so I used that.
I have found that both the m4r and m4a files need to be in the ringtone tab for them to work on the phone
In 7.4.0 , I can just do the rename trick and it will add the ring tone to iTunes and sync it to the phone. I will show up in the list on the phone, but will not work.
You have to have both the m4a and the m4r files under ring tones for it work on the phone
So he did. Thanks for the catch. I edited my reply.
MakeiPhoneRingtone does indeed automatically perform the file extension rename and then adds it to the iPhone.
Unfortunately, it appears from early reports that iPhone firmware 1.1.1 invalidates any ringtones on the iPhone that are not purchased from iTunes. So programs like MakeiPhoneRingtone either no longer can transfer ringtones to the iPhone or, if they do, those ringtones do not work.
However, it appears that stonedgrace may have found a "fix" for this...
I would not call them idiots, but rude instead. Some of the lirics of those songs are not too appropriate and after a while they get annoying.
They do not have the right to force those rings onto others. They probably think it is covered under free speech?
Could it be that simple? Those folks that did the "change to m4a from m4r" hack required because of 7.4.1 or 7.4.2 probably didn't retain the m4a file. Can someone please try this? That is, have both the m4a and m4r available in ringtones and see if it works after the 1.1.1 update?
I wish I could feel the same confidence in large corporations and their law-abiding practices, but given the record it's hard to for me. There are just too many cases where large corporations have broken the law, often deliberately, hoping that nobody would notice. Why would Apple be any different in trying to get away with making more money? It remains to be established whether all this is legal or not, and I'm looking forward to it being tested in courts as I'm sure it will be eventually.
The way I got it to work was adding the m4a file with the utility. I assume it changes something other than the file ext. I used this because there was no way for me to add the m4a file as a ring tone. I have found that the phone will not play the m4r file even though it syncs it, and it will not add the m4a file at all. BOTH files need to be present for the phone to play the tone.
I have not tried this at all in 7.4.1 or 7.4.2
* you do not need to have multiple copies of the file. You can change it back to m4a after you add it as m4r.
I also need to add that of the 9 ring tones I added, 2 needed to be deleted and added again, and all of the ring tones were on the phone before the update to 1.1.1
In about 5 years the phone will likely be sold unlocked. Just like DRM, some don't mind it some do. Those that do either don't buy the DRM music or buy it and come to this site to bellyache.
Yes, I also would love to hear a definite answer and to the legality of the unlocking since it was not via a utility or saction of the phone manufactorer and the restrictions that Apple has placed on the people. It would be a better soap opera than "Days of Our Lives".
Because I'm tired of reading all of this one-side nonsense about how everyone is "entitled" to do whatever the hell they want and screw things up for the rest of us. I don't want to pay for your experiments. I buy into Apple's solution for this product. That's MY choice and that is Apple's package. I don't want to sit in my basement and spend all nite chopping my iPhone. I have a life. All I want is for it to work. I like what it does. I like the fact that Apple is improving it. I think they are doing just fine. The fact that you feel the thing should be perfect for your needs NOW and that somehow you're entitled to do whatever you want on Apples back is bull.
Hack your phone, I don't care. Don't expect Apple to support it until they're willing and don't expect me to pay more for support and products because people like you that make their own rules.
Get real! Corporate legal planning is about certainty. In these types of situations corporations, knowing that every competitor is out to create trouble for a successful venture, doesn't spend time trying to figure out how to walk the fine line of legal technicalities. They spend the time figuring out how to make sure everything they do is on such rock solid ground so that if some whiney idiots do challenge them, those clowns get tossed out on their collective asses before the ink is dry.
Good stuff Stonegrace! What we need to do is come up with a step-by-step procedure for how to retain custom ringtones through the 1.1.1 update. I still don't understand the root reasons why your's worked and one other guy's did but I am verry happy that you got it to work!
Try the Ctrl+w or Ctrl+q buttons (or Splat+w, Splat+q on a Mac). I think either of those will solve your problem.