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I think that million people will decline in number, once they see how much their plans are and how much the up-front costs are in comparison.

Agreed.
It's no secret that we're ALL waiting to see how at&t comes at this with regards to pricing. I'm afraid they are going to price this out of my league.

I mean, a $500 phone + $70 calling plan + $80 data plan + $250 to break my VZW contract = tough sell for me as well as a LOT of others who consider themselves 'interested.'

Why do I have this feeling at&t is going to mess this up?
 
Holy smokes :eek:

The iPhone will further extend the Apple name into the fabric of our everyday lives. The ubiquity of the Apple brand continues to take shape. From comptuer, to iPod, to iTV, and now the iPhone. You'll find an Apple product just about everywhere.

Yeah, and expect Apple branded TV's by early next year too.
 
He doesn't care about Charity. He's buying himself a place in history.

I didn't pick on him, I picked on the guy who said the article meant that "Microsoft got owned", cos that kind of comment makes all Mac users look childish and smug (like when ppl spell it Micro$oft even though Gates is so charitable). I just said I didn't get the SOAP reference either. Some ppl say SOAP bombed, some say the hype about how bad it was made it a hit. Sure, the negative publicity probably let it do better than it otherwise would have, but it only made a bit more than its production budget back at the box office, which means it wouldn't have gone into profit until DVD and TV sales. So it was neither turkey nor hit. With the iphone poised to either be the next ipod or the next Newton, I didn't get what honestimage was saying about its chances, sorry.

He doesn't care about Charity. He's buying himself a place in history.
 
He doesn't care about Charity. He's buying himself a place in history.

3 points:

1. You're right, but if my life was saved, I would not care how vain the reasons for my charity were...

2. If you don't want one, leave the 'Title' box empty, it can get confusing

3. Your website doesn't work...
 
And the blackberrys treo's htc generate how much inquirys per release?

come on 1 million is not even 1% in the mobile market and people are already saying stuff like ohh just wait etc.

Yeah just wait till people really se how crippled this phone is.

And people hate microsoft because???????


Blackberry does NOT make the Treo, palm does -- I have one and it is a meger attempt at a well-built phone.

I also have the new Blackberry Perl -- Brand new device -- it is okay, but you want to talk limited? It is.

Just wait until how functional the iPhone is.:eek:
 
3 points:

1. You're right, but if my life was saved, I would not care how vain the reasons for my charity were...

2. If you don't want one, leave the 'Title' box empty, it can get confusing

3. Your website doesn't work...

1. I'm one of those people that would.

2. I thought the title made my post clear. Apparently I was wrong.

3. My link for my website is working again.
 
Product awareness in the UK is pretty amazing seeing as it won't be appearing for 8-9 months. I have heard many people mention the product from all walks of life.

Probably being on the front page of The Times helped that a bit.

If it's any conciliation it's only 7 months away :eek:
 
oohh...Please - do it!!!. This is one Apple product I would place a pre-order without even seeing it or knowing how much it would cost!

Why? What can Apple do to a tv that others can't/haven't? And don't even say "integrate :apple:tv" because that would be pointless. It's already a tiny box, simple to hook up, and would add unnecessary price to the TV unit.

And could you even imagine what type of remote Apple would come up with for the thing? Let's click down through 64 channels when I could just hit three buttons and be done with it. APPLE, WHY, OH, WHY have you not implemented "scroll-wheel" technology into your remotes?! It would make traversing miles of artists in FrontRow MUCH quicker.

Fools.

-Clive
 
oohh...Please - do it!!!. This is one Apple product I would place a pre-order without even seeing it or knowing how much it would cost!

A friend of a friend of mine's cousin's niece's friend - twice removed - said that the Apple TV (not the AppleTV, but the Apple TV) will try to maintain Apple's simple elegance by showing video black and white - but to call it such is hardly fair; it is the BEST black and white anyone will ever have seen!

Why? What can Apple do to a tv that others can't/haven't? And don't even say "integrate :apple:tv" because that would be pointless. It's already a tiny box, simple to hook up, and would add unnecessary price to the TV unit.

And could you even imagine what type of remote Apple would come up with for the thing? Let's click down through 64 channels when I could just hit three buttons and be done with it. APPLE, WHY, OH, WHY have you not implemented "scroll-wheel" technology into your remotes?! It would make traversing miles of artists in FrontRow MUCH quicker.

Fools.

-Clive

A scroll-wheel Apple remote would be very nice indeed! :D
 
oohh...Please - do it!!!. This is one Apple product I would place a pre-order without even seeing it or knowing how much it would cost!

Here's a post I made on another forum a while back, you might like it:


"I have a strong feeling that Apple is working on the developement of a TV, and I don't mean AppleTV (as in the box), I mean an actual Apple Inc. Television. Call the feeling a hunch, but I know a lot of people including me who are frustrated by a lot of things when it comes to TV's and home entertainment systems nowadays. One being the fact that we have so many remotes, it ridiculous, and two we've too many boxes, far too many boxes, all of which have terrible software interfaces.

Apple needs to make an all-in-one TV that can in one fell swoop replace all those remotes, our TV, our DVD player, the AppleTV box, our VCR and our Satallite Digital Cable Boxes. Think of it, one sexy Apple Television that does it all, wow!

Here's my suggestions to Apple Inc. for the tech specs of an Apple Television;

1. Black
2. Thin
3. Sexy
4. 120GB internal Hard drive (Build to order option for 250GB or 500GB)
5. Apple TV Edition Remote (Black)
6. 24Watt internal speakers
7. Side load slot regular format DVD drive (If you want HD DVD buy a player, if you want BD buy a PS3)
8. Plasma (kicks the living crap out of LCD in every repect, OLED and SED aren't ready yet)
9. Stand that can rotate.
10. 802.11(all)
11. 1080p
12. Two HDMI ports.
13. Two USB ports.
14. At least one SCART port.
15. Analogue and digital audio etc.
16. Apple TV-esque interface.

Add an iTunes iPTV Show subscription service with some live content for news and sport - then Apple has the digital living room sewn up. One TV that does it all. Not only would that make Apple happy, but more importantly it would also make me - the customer - happy too.

GET ON IT APPLE!!

A cool additional feature would be; A small hidden magnet on the side of the TV - like the iMac has, but the difference here would be, when the remote is removed from this magnet the TV automatically turns on, and when the remote is replaced back on the magnet the TV automatically turns off again. (A manual physical power button could be placed on the TV and the remote too)"
 
Well...

For $599, the thing should have nothing short of 40 gigs of memory (for the photos, music, etc.), at least a 5.0 megapixel camera, and be able to record video clips.;)

I just don't get it. When Jobs said, "It will have a 2 megapixel camera," the crowd went nuts. They should have booed!!!:mad:
 
mmmh...what can Apple do in making a TV that other's can't ?

well I think mac fly hit's a lot of bullseyes - I love the idea of the side loading disc, the integrated AppleTV, the mag remote with on/off and a scroll wheel, and above all great style, simplicity and implementation and all the otehr stuff mentioned!. I agree there is a 'lot of mess in the tv corner' that needs cleaning up!

It's beauty would make every other TV in the land pale into insignificance becuase if there is ONE place in the home where style and class is appreciated by both the man and the woman it's the living room!!..

I'd like to see a built in ipod dock and isight camera in the top for 'room to room' conferencing, integrated sound system on a par with the ipod hi-fi, and an 'Apple' class integrated DVR of course with iphone 'internet access' to start it recording 'on the fly' maybe ?? Who else is ever going ot be capable of making a TV like this if not Apple - this is their KILLER APP!!..the TV!! It's the one thing that everyone in the world sits in front of for hours and hours and hours!!The ultimate halo product!!.

plus there's the 'other stuff' - the 'magic' that Apple will think of that we can't...

Wouldn't it be great!!...Come on 'Clive at Five' you must admit if you love TV, you love Apple then it's a marriage made in heaven - If you had to buy an LCD TV you would buy 'the Apple one' , surely ??
 
Here's a post I made on another forum a while back, you might like it:


"I have a strong feeling that Apple is working on the developement of a TV, and I don't mean AppleTV (as in the box), I mean an actual Apple Inc. Television. Call the feeling a hunch, but I know a lot of people including me who are frustrated by a lot of things when it comes to TV's and home entertainment systems nowadays. One being the fact that we have so many remotes, it ridiculous, and two we've too many boxes, far too many boxes, all of which have terrible software interfaces.

Apple needs to make an all-in-one TV that can in one fell swoop replace all those remotes, our TV, our DVD player, the AppleTV box, our VCR and our Satallite Digital Cable Boxes. Think of it, one sexy Apple Television that does it all, wow!

Here's my suggestions to Apple Inc. for the tech specs of an Apple Television;

1. Black
2. Thin
3. Sexy
4. 120GB internal Hard drive (Build to order option for 250GB or 500GB)
5. Apple TV Edition Remote (Black)
6. 24Watt internal speakers
7. Side load slot regular format DVD drive (If you want HD DVD buy a player, if you want BD buy a PS3)
8. Plasma (kicks the living crap out of LCD in every repect, OLED and SED aren't ready yet)
9. Stand that can rotate.
10. 802.11(all)
11. 1080p
12. Two HDMI ports.
13. Two USB ports.
14. At least one SCART port.
15. Analogue and digital audio etc.
16. Apple TV-esque interface.

Add an iTunes iPTV Show subscription service with some live content for news and sport - then Apple has the digital living room sewn up. One TV that does it all. Not only would that make Apple happy, but more importantly it would also make me - the customer - happy too.

GET ON IT APPLE!!

A cool additional feature would be; A small hidden magnet on the side of the TV - like the iMac has, but the difference here would be, when the remote is removed from this magnet the TV automatically turns on, and when the remote is replaced back on the magnet the TV automatically turns off again. (A manual physical power button could be placed on the TV and the remote too)"

Sorry but that is not a TV, that is a full fledge computer.

Here is an alternative ...... Add a cablecard interphase to the Apple TV, now you can watch tv and change channels since the cable card is the tuner. Now you can create a DVR also from it. TV with easy user interface and no cable box needed.

How I do?
 
Pretty much like what happens with the PS3. Geez I have been trying to get one since they are launched, yet on the other hand I see mountains of Wiis everywhere.

People care only about cheap, period.

That is just not right. You can get a PS3 multiple places online and all around the philadelphia area. The Wii however is really difficult to get still.
 
Sorry but that is not a TV, that is a full fledge computer.

Here is an alternative ...... Add a cablecard interphase to the Apple TV, now you can watch tv and change channels since the cable card is the tuner. Now you can create a DVR also from it. TV with easy user interface and no cable box needed.

How I do?

Yes, your right there is a fully fledged computer in the LCD TV but it's 'not a computer' any more than the current Apple TV is a computer. Nobody wants a 'computer' in place of the TV but to get all this stuff they need computer technologies which is why Apple can make this work better than anyone. Just think of one example - 'quartz zoom' will allow Apple to be about the only company in the world to make a TV you can actually 'web surf' on from 10 feet away and still see the content!...

But back to the TV - the point is everyone has a corner in there house full of junk which could all be elegantly and perfectly replaced by the Apple TV...sticking a DVR card in the back of Apple TV doesn't fix this it just makes it even more messy and complex. The AV complex is ripe for Apple's magic wand to sweep over it!

I agree with mac Fly - I want to replace all of the following with one elegant device ;

1: The TV
2: The DVD
3: The DVR
4: The AV Amp and Speakers (wireless 5.1 would be nice!)
5: The 'net streamer'/media PC etc
6: The Wi-fi router
7: The 10 remotes that drive everyone in the world nuts!
8: The 'Freeview/cable' box
9: The 10 mains plugs for one
10: The mental cable pile that lives behind the AV corner
11: The brutishly hideous complexity of them all
12: The brutish hideous mess and ackward conflicting styling of them all

Wouldn't you like this replaced by a beautiful integrated Apple brand LCD TV ?

This is like lord of the rings all over again 'one remote to rule them all'!! ;-)
 
I agree--Macs aren't harmed at all by the iPhone. In fact, OS X usage will grow as Apple gains customers, which means the iPhone will HELP the Mac platform--in more ways than just bringing in cash and press attention. Mindshare is vital, and the iPhone shares the "ease of use" factor with Macs and iPods.



O/T, but the biggest reason, I think (speaking of the masses, not the tech-savvy):

They are afraid of Macs because they have problems with Windows.

This makes a kind of sense. They do HEAR that Macs are simpler (mixed with lots of FUD). However, they KNOW first hand that computers are a pain. What they KNOW matters most. So if computers they are familiar with (meaning Windows) are a pain, then an UNKNOWN computer would be worse! They think a Mac WOULD cause them problems beause they don't understand that using a computer doesn't have to be as bad as their experience.

Two supporting reasons: fear of the unknown and of learning something new (not all that different, but that's the fear). And herd mentality: they don't know WHY everyone uses Windows, but they figure there must be SOME reason, so better stick with the crowd "just because."

And they're not all that conscious of their own reasons. They line up to buy another Windows machine without even considering that anything else is worth a look. (In this regard, the Mac ads on TV may be very useful.)

I absolutely agree 1000%, I think you completely nailed it on the head!!!
 
Here's a post I made on another forum a while back, you might like it:


"I have a strong feeling that Apple is working on the developement of a TV, and I don't mean AppleTV (as in the box), I mean an actual Apple Inc. Television. Call the feeling a hunch, but I know a lot of people including me who are frustrated by a lot of things when it comes to TV's and home entertainment systems nowadays. One being the fact that we have so many remotes, it ridiculous, and two we've too many boxes, far too many boxes, all of which have terrible software interfaces.

Apple needs to make an all-in-one TV that can in one fell swoop replace all those remotes, our TV, our DVD player, the AppleTV box, our VCR and our Satallite Digital Cable Boxes. Think of it, one sexy Apple Television that does it all, wow!

Here's my suggestions to Apple Inc. for the tech specs of an Apple Television;

1. Black
2. Thin
3. Sexy
4. 120GB internal Hard drive (Build to order option for 250GB or 500GB)
5. Apple TV Edition Remote (Black)
6. 24Watt internal speakers
7. Side load slot regular format DVD drive (If you want HD DVD buy a player, if you want BD buy a PS3)
8. Plasma (kicks the living crap out of LCD in every repect, OLED and SED aren't ready yet)
9. Stand that can rotate.
10. 802.11(all)
11. 1080p
12. Two HDMI ports.
13. Two USB ports.
14. At least one SCART port.
15. Analogue and digital audio etc.
16. Apple TV-esque interface.

Add an iTunes iPTV Show subscription service with some live content for news and sport - then Apple has the digital living room sewn up. One TV that does it all. Not only would that make Apple happy, but more importantly it would also make me - the customer - happy too.

GET ON IT APPLE!!

A cool additional feature would be; A small hidden magnet on the side of the TV - like the iMac has, but the difference here would be, when the remote is removed from this magnet the TV automatically turns on, and when the remote is replaced back on the magnet the TV automatically turns off again. (A manual physical power button could be placed on the TV and the remote too)"

Please oh please be true, I'd buy it in a split second, just hope they make a 100" for me ;) oh and what about wifi surround sound speaker??? ;)
 
Please oh please be true, I'd buy it in a split second, just hope they make a 100" for me ;) oh and what about wifi surround sound speaker??? ;)

How about Isight/Iphone call integration - automatically puts the DVR into 'time-lapse' pause record mode! when a call comes in!.

Who else in the WORLD could do this on a TV but Apple ?
 
That is just not right. You can get a PS3 multiple places online and all around the philadelphia area. The Wii however is really difficult to get still.
Don't worry Avarix, we all know this. The other guy is obviously upset he bought a PS3 on opening day and found he was the only one there to get it. :p
 
Pretty much like what happens with the PS3. Geez I have been trying to get one since they are launched, yet on the other hand I see mountains of Wiis everywhere.

People care only about cheap, period.

That's not really accurate. The Wii is popular because it is easy to use and it has great gameplay. The PS3 is a dud because of the lack of quality games.

iPhone will be a hit because the only thing that people care about is ease of use.
 
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