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Yes, your right there is a fully fledged computer in the LCD TV but it's 'not a computer' any more than the current Apple TV is a computer. Nobody wants a 'computer' in place of the TV but to get all this stuff they need computer technologies which is why Apple can make this work better than anyone. Just think of one example - 'quartz zoom' will allow Apple to be about the only company in the world to make a TV you can actually 'web surf' on from 10 feet away and still see the content!...

But back to the TV - the point is everyone has a corner in there house full of junk which could all be elegantly and perfectly replaced by the Apple TV...sticking a DVR card in the back of Apple TV doesn't fix this it just makes it even more messy and complex. The AV complex is ripe for Apple's magic wand to sweep over it!

I agree with mac Fly - I want to replace all of the following with one elegant device ;

1: The TV
2: The DVD
3: The DVR
4: The AV Amp and Speakers (wireless 5.1 would be nice!)
5: The 'net streamer'/media PC etc
6: The Wi-fi router
7: The 10 remotes that drive everyone in the world nuts!
8: The 'Freeview/cable' box
9: The 10 mains plugs for one
10: The mental cable pile that lives behind the AV corner
11: The brutishly hideous complexity of them all
12: The brutish hideous mess and ackward conflicting styling of them all

Wouldn't you like this replaced by a beautiful integrated Apple brand LCD TV ?

This is like lord of the rings all over again 'one remote to rule them all'!! ;-)

I agree that a setup like this would replace a lot of stuff, and would probably be nice for a while, but three things worry me:
a) Cost of this investment
b) It replaces a lot of stuff that maybe you could reuse otherwise
c) When the screen starts to look small in a year or two, it is not a separate component, you need to replace it all, meaning a large investment again.
 
don't care. At all. In any way whatsoever. Its Cingular.
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Apple iTV !!!

Oh my god!!!
A Plasma from Apple? This is the best thing that can happen to our living rooms.

Only one device, mounted on the wall.
No cables, just the power cord.
Wifi to conect to your Mac and your iPhone.
The iPhone can be used as your TV remote.
You will ony need one HDMI and one USB, because what else would you want to conect if you will have everything already built in.
Bluetooth for your wireless keyboard when surfing the internet.
A good pair of speakers.
Internal 120Gb HD.
Integration with iTunes Store with automatic purchases of new episodes.
Apple tv-like presentation when wanted.

You readers keep the list growing so Apple can get interested!!!

JMG
 
Yea, 1 mil is very low interest, but..... It has not been really adverticed yet, once people start seing their friends with it and how easy it is to use and how cool it looks, the interest is going thru the roof.
IMHO they will meet their 10 to 12 mil.
I will be watching in the side lines waiting for my contract to expire and rev 2 to come out, the full featured one not the el cheapo model.
If im going to get it, I rather get the best model than cry because i did not get all the features.
 
For me also it needs to allow me to use the phone as a modem and sync with my comuter via wifi preferably as bluetooth is very slow and wired is a pain to find where I left the stupid cable.
 
Yea, 1 mil is very low interest, but..... It has not been really adverticed yet, once people start seing their friends with it and how easy it is to use and how cool it looks, the interest is going thru the roof.
IMHO they will meet their 10 to 12 mil.
I will be watching in the side lines waiting for my contract to expire and rev 2 to come out, the full featured one not the el cheapo model.
If im going to get it, I rather get the best model than cry because i did not get all the features.

It is very fuzzy math though... the interest level is how many people signed up for news on their website. Though I would love to get one, I did not sign up for news? How many other people are like me there? I'd guess the majority, so say over or about ten million might be very interested in it.

Yet, on the other end of the spectrum, how many who have signed up/are interested will actually buy a phone?

So, that number is not useful except in that it gives a general idea that the phone has the potential to be extremely popular. Potential being the key word.
 
don't care. At all. In any way whatsoever. Its Cingular.
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What's wrong with Cingular? I keep hearing people rail on them like their the absolute worst, but I've had experience with all three major carrier's and Cingular is by far the most bearable. Their customer service leaves alot to be desired but I routinely receive service where my family (still on Verizon), and Sprint do not. I'd rather put up with this than the draconian measures Verizon implements with their service, or the billing issues I had with Sprint where I had to call every month. I guess it's all relative? Plus, any self-respecting geek wouldn't have any other service outside a GSM carrier.:)
 
I'm one of the million

dang, it's gonna be hard to get one at first....i'm hoping to buy mine from an apple store, and not cingular. hopefully i'll be alright getting it, since i already have a cingular phone

I just recently changed my plan from Qwest to Cingular. I asked about the iPhone and the sales rep told me that everyone is asking about it and all of their reps are wanting one too. This is gonna be hugh. I'm betting this will sell better than the 1G iPod did when it first shipped. Anyone with any numbers on the iPod sales?
 
I just recently changed my plan from Qwest to Cingular. I asked about the iPhone and the sales rep told me that everyone is asking about it and all of their reps are wanting one too. This is gonna be hugh. I'm betting this will sell better than the 1G iPod did when it first shipped. Anyone with any numbers on the iPod sales?

I wonder if it is a good idea to switch to cingular before the phone is out.
If I heard correctly, cingular is looking to gain a lot of new customers from its rival and is willing to pay for it. By switching early, you may end up with a lesser package than people coming in fresh from a competitor because of the phone.
 
ummm... one million inquiries... is this propaganda or some drama stuff so folks wouldn't forget about the iphone while other awesome phones are actually being released?

one million? i sure hope they didn't use the bush-science approach with their statistics...
 
What's wrong with Cingular? I keep hearing people rail on them like their the absolute worst, but I've had experience with all three major carrier's and Cingular is by far the most bearable. Their customer service leaves alot to be desired but I routinely receive service where my family (still on Verizon), and Sprint do not. I'd rather put up with this than the draconian measures Verizon implements with their service, or the billing issues I had with Sprint where I had to call every month. I guess it's all relative? Plus, any self-respecting geek wouldn't have any other service outside a GSM carrier.:)

enjoy
 
Oh my god!!!
A Plasma from Apple? This is the best thing that can happen to our living rooms.

Only one device, mounted on the wall.
No cables, just the power cord.
Wifi to conect to your Mac and your iPhone.
The iPhone can be used as your TV remote.
You will ony need one HDMI and one USB, because what else would you want to conect if you will have everything already built in.
Bluetooth for your wireless keyboard when surfing the internet.
A good pair of speakers.
Internal 120Gb HD.
Integration with iTunes Store with automatic purchases of new episodes.
Apple tv-like presentation when wanted.

You readers keep the list growing so Apple can get interested!!!

JMG
I've been giving this feedback to Apple for more than a year. I usually send it under iMac, I have sent it under iTunes feedack and even Mac OS X. I have send similar specs to that about 12 or 15 times on different occasions. I have usually posted a link to the forum converastion URL each time too. You can bet your house they know what we are saying, and they read it load and clear.
 
I've been giving this feedback to Apple for more than a year. I usually send it under iMac, I have sent it under iTunes feedack and even Mac OS X. I have send similar specs to that about 12 or 15 times on different occasions. I have usually posted a link to the forum converastion URL each time too. You can bet your house they know what we are saying, and they read it load and clear.

Have you read their Apple's Unsolicited Idea Submission Policy?

http://www.apple.com/legal/policies/ideas.html

But I can understand you. I think you may have the same feeling as me and a lot more Macaddicts: Some ideas are just too good and just Apple can make them reality in a decent way.

One more thing...

That Apple Plasma TV can come with interesting GAME CAPABILITIES.
That thing can have a built-in dock hidden on the side for the ipod.
What else?...

JMG
 
(like when ppl spell it Micro$oft even though Gates is so charitable)[quote/]
bill gates isnt that charitable, yes he gives alot of money but your forgetting thats instead of paying taxes, beleive me if he could get out of paying taxes he wouldnt be giving all that to charity.
 
"I have a strong feeling that Apple is working on the developement of a TV, and I don't mean AppleTV (as in the box), I mean an actual Apple Inc. Television.
Here's my suggestions to Apple Inc. for the tech specs of an Apple Television;

5. Apple TV Edition Remote (Black)
6. 24Watt internal speakers
7. Side load slot regular format DVD drive (If you want HD DVD buy a player, if you want BD buy a PS3)
8. Plasma (kicks the living crap out of LCD in every repect, OLED and SED aren't ready yet)
10. 802.11(all)

GET ON IT APPLE!!

I made a similar post a long time ago, possibly in the "8 core Mac and displays in January" thread, or elsewhere.

I suspect simply due to "margin" issues it will never happen. My fears are your horrors.

Rocketman
 
One Million Inquiries = 400,000 users?

Conservatively, 1 milllion inquiries would translate into 400,000 users. That's almost $200 million worth of iPhones.

That's only in the US, and that's only the people that know about the link. That link is from cingular's main web page. That's only for the US. Overseas, there is a much higher demand, because phone culture overseas is much more advanced. In the EU I'm sure the demand will be higher.

The 40% conversion rate is probably low, since people who find the link and bother to sign up for notification are probably more motivated. Every 100,000 people (10%) is about $50 million of product (assuming a $499 price point). With a conversion rate of 80%, you suddenly get $400 million worth of product. Whoa!
 
Conservatively, 1 milllion inquiries would translate into 400,000 users. That's almost $200 million worth of iPhones.

That's only in the US, and that's only the people that know about the link. That link is from cingular's main web page. That's only for the US. Overseas, there is a much higher demand, because phone culture overseas is much more advanced. In the EU I'm sure the demand will be higher.

The 40% conversion rate is probably low, since people who find the link and bother to sign up for notification are probably more motivated. Every 100,000 people (10%) is about $50 million of product (assuming a $499 price point). With a conversion rate of 80%, you suddenly get $400 million worth of product. Whoa!
I have a feeling that it will be above 100% conversion rate because those 1 million people are keeners. They average consumer that might be interested in an iPhone once it become available is not going to bother ask about it electronically until it actually hits the market.
 
does this apply to this thread...

a thought comes to mind... im not sure if this has been discussed or mentioned, but i havent heard anything about it yet...but does the iphone have an ipod only function so that you can turn your phone off (say when you are on an airplane) and still enjoy the video/music of your iphone??
any thoughts or rumors?:confused:
 
a thought comes to mind... im not sure if this has been discussed or mentioned, but i havent heard anything about it yet...but does the iphone have an ipod only function so that you can turn your phone off (say when you are on an airplane) and still enjoy the video/music of your iphone??
any thoughts or rumors?:confused:

Good point.

There isn't a carrier/service deal outside of the USA either. Remember that. God knows what they'll do in the UK. :rolleyes:
 
a tear for the lost opportunity

8. Plasma (kicks the living crap out of LCD in every repect, OLED and SED aren't ready yet)

Except power consumption, which means Apple would never do it. But hey, if you're willing to spend the extra money (both upfront and every month), cause extra carbon to be added to the atmosphere, and increase dependendance on foreign energy for a better TV picture it's your money and conscience.

On topic though, I'm really going to sit back and wait on this iPhone. Apple had such an opportunity with this device, and the hardware seems absolutely brilliant (assuming they add 3G before they start selling in the EU) but I'm really cautious because of a few things on the software side:

- locking you into one carrier and not selling an unlocked version
- locking down the OS

It's just so dissapointing because if they'd really wanted to be innovative, and to shake up an industry that's just begging to be shaken up, they would have released:

- a device that used cellular 3G as a "data-only" service for when wi-fi couldn't be found
- used VOIP for all telephony
- sold their own VOIP service tied-in with .mac for all those who would rather swipe a credit card and have an out-of-the-box solution for phone, IM, and email (and given some actual value to .mac in the process)
- left the OS unlocked so power-users can run their own VOIP clients, IM programs, browsers, and the other programs that Mac users love so much
- built-in a GPS so the device could have provided location-specific information
- done something USEFUL with wireless mesh networking

THAT would have turned the industry on it's ear. THAT would have been innovative. THAT would have been convergence. THAT would have gotten his Steveness on the cover of Time next year. THAT would have had my credit card out on day 1.

But no, what they've released is basically a very slick smartphone. That's not innovation, that's just refinement of a well-entrenched product that someone ELSE innovated. The only real innovation I've seen advertised so far is visual voicemail? Hell, if they'd done it right voicemail would have gone the way of the dodo on this device -- integrated messaging (voicemail as email along with faxes etc.) is also very well entrenched and by not doing that they're 5 years behind in yet another area.

It's just so sad because they have the name and the money. Entering into this industry they could have dictated their own terms. Surely ONE of the big carriers would have been happy to partner with them just to sell their 3G data service. There could have been different models released for different markets and different wireless technologies (3.5G, wimax, etc.) but the basic device would have been IP only and thus the radio and the carrier are just a means to an end -- getting an IP connection.

But no, Apple has instead locked the users into continuing to pay a phone company for each and every minute we talk (a commodity that's basically free in the digital age). And locked us into that company. And surrendered a lot of control to that company. How last-century is that?!?
 
a thought comes to mind... im not sure if this has been discussed or mentioned, but i havent heard anything about it yet...but does the iphone have an ipod only function so that you can turn your phone off (say when you are on an airplane) and still enjoy the video/music of your iphone??
any thoughts or rumors?:confused:

That same thought actually came to my mind as well being that I travel for work. I don't know, but i hope they work something out, otherwise I'm gunna be sneaky with my iPhone on the plane haha ;)
 
a thought comes to mind... im not sure if this has been discussed or mentioned, but i havent heard anything about it yet...but does the iphone have an ipod only function so that you can turn your phone off (say when you are on an airplane) and still enjoy the video/music of your iphone??
any thoughts or rumors?:confused:
iPhone has an airplane mode as confirmed by David Pogue.
 
That same thought actually came to my mind as well being that I travel for work. I don't know, but i hope they work something out, otherwise I'm gunna be sneaky with my iPhone on the plane haha ;)

i can just see the captain now... "flight controller come in!! I REPEAT COME IN! ALL I HEAR IS COLDPLAY! WTH?!?!?!?!?!"
 
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