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HP 8740w laptop:

Dual or Quad core
16 GiB RAM
Display
17.0" diagonal LED-backlit WXGA+ anti-glare; 17.0" diagonal LED-backlit WUXGA WVA anti-glare​
Graphics
ATI FirePro M7820 graphics with 1 GB dedicated GDDR5 video memory
NVIDIA Quadro FX 3800M graphics with 1 GB dedicated GDDR3 video memory
NVIDIA Quadro FX 2800M graphics with 1 GB dedicated GDDR3 video memory​
Expansion features
Ports
2 USB 2.0
2 USB 3.0
1 eSATA
1 external VGA monitor
1 DisplayPort
1 1394a
1 stereo microphone in
1 stereo headphone/line-out
1 AC power
1 RJ-11
1 RJ-45
1 docking connector
1 secondary battery connector​
Slots
1 Express Card/54
1 Smart Card Reader
1 Secure Digital​

Also the HP Pavilion Elite HPE-3xx series desktops have BTO options for USB 3.0.

I'm sure that other PCs also have USB 3.0 - this is what I saw in two minutes on the HP site.

I can buy a mainframe and a super computer online, still haven't seen one in real life.

You can find everything in "the long tail", but only 20% of it will be found commonly in consumer channels.
 
But that's the way Apple has chosen to compete in the market. Their platform on ONE phone, vs. Google who has put their platform on many phones. You can buy android apps and run them on different phones you know...it's the same thing as Windows vs. OSX, and no one looks at it the way you do about the phones, because that would simply be the incorrect way. Acting as if that's stupid way to look at it is a bit shortsighted, and perhaps ironic.

It's not outselling 3 to 1 either...yet. Eventually iPhone will be an extremely minor player in the phone market, same as OSX. And yes, I use the iPhone 4.

um.... ok.... my comment was in response to him saying its obvious apple is hurting because Android Phones are outselling iOS Phones

and yes i know its not 3 to 1 yet, but I was trying to prove a point by using his inflated data, that even with his inflated numbers it is nothing to brag about because I would expect it to be higher since it is on multiple phones

you are simply incorrect to say NOBODY looks at sales of actual phones vs phones, i guess HP doesn't compare their PC sales to Dell either
 
Yes...

Umm, I still haven't seen a PC with USB3 and the only motherboards I can find it with are a few high end ones.

I also love how everyone whining and kvetching for USB3 don't own any USB3 devices. Seriously, there are a few out there but I highly doubt anyone here actually owns any.

The other thought is: Windows 7 is nicer than Vista (I actually like the "sticky taskbar") but it's still basically "Vista Service Pack 3" with some of the same annoying bugs that Vista had, especially with wireless and especially once you add the darned things to a corporate resource domain. And some of the same vulnerabilities and problems that date
back to Windows NT.

Same idiotic registry model and same vulnerabilities to malware and browser hijacking. I saw my first pwn3d Win7 machine the first week it was out to end users with the
same problems any previous version of Windows might have. Nothing special. Never had this with any OS X version.
 
Okay, it's official now: If I have to read only ONE more "As a long time AAPL shareholder" post by cvaldes on this board, I have to kill some kittys.
 
So long Papermaster... The iPhone and everything with it has been a total train wreck! Being the antennae issue, combined with the BS they were not aware of the potential problem, the lame excuse ‘heah, all phone antennas suck and our does too'. Then there’s the proximity sensor, and my personal favorite; the horrible advice Apple gave its customers by telling them the iOS 4 update would actually work on the iPhone 3G. This is all very much like a company that started just yesterday. I've been with Apple products since the very beginning in 1984, and I'm still in shock as how Steve Jobs allowed all of this to happen.
 
Stop making excuses for not understanding technology.

Consider the following:

Some people can't keep their cars on the road, do we let them blame Ford?

Some people shoot themselves in the foot, do we blame Smith & Wesson?

Some people can't handle alcohol, do we blame the farmers growing the corn or wheat? Or for that matter do we blame Jack Daniels?

Some people smash their thumbs when driving a nail. Do we then blame the nail or the hammer?

***********

The point is iPhone 4 works fine when used properly just like every other cell phone. Sure there are idiots that can make it fail with regularity, but that is no different than running a car into a ditch and then expecting to drive out. It doesn't matter if you ended up in that ditch on purpose or by accident, sitting there blaming the car serves no useful purpose. Likewise finding a weak point on a cell phone and then dwelling on it as a flaw also serves no useful purpose. There is nothing made by man that is perfect, as such you are far better off focusing on the positive or good than the negative.


Dave

This must be the worst analogy I'ver read in months. For the discussion sake I will explain why.

I buy a phone to use it and I don't want to or need to worry about the way I hold it. Every person holds a phone in a different way and you can't force them to hold it differently. I don't hold my phone in a way that would cause me issues and I do have a bumper and also live in an area with strong signal so I have actually never had a dropped call with my phone nor with 3G one.
On the other hand, I know a lot of people I know hold the phone in a way that cause them to drop signal and eventually calls. You can't blame them for holding it wrong. You just CAN'T! They hold every phone before like that so they won't change it just for this one especially when its not comfortable for them. You buy a product because you want to use it not to think or worry how to hold it for the product to work.

In the early ages antennas were on the top of the phone with actual antenna sticking out of the phone. It was the best place to put them as people wouldn't be holding it there nor would they cover the antenna.

Now, Apple decided this insane thing to put it out and make it unusable for some people. I've actually tried it to hold the phone naked with just two fingers as a lot of people like to hold and the signal is gone in few seconds.
That is a fault in design no matter how you look at it. You can defend it all you want but you won't be able to reason it.
Your analogy is laughable because you are comparing abuse use vs normal use -> two different things.

As I said, I don't have problems with my phone as I have no issues on it but talk to people every day (my job) and I often hear them complaining about it. People love the phone, they just don't want the issue.

So, as someone said - "stop living in a bubble"
 
This must be the worst analogy I'ver read in months. For the discussion sake I will explain why.

I buy a phone to use it and I don't want to or need to worry about the way I hold it. Every person holds a phone in a different way and you can't force them to hold it differently. I don't hold my phone in a way that would cause me issues and I do have a bumper and also live in an area with strong signal so I have actually never had a dropped call with my phone nor with 3G one.
On the other hand, I know a lot of people I know hold the phone in a way that cause them to drop signal and eventually calls. You can't blame them for holding it wrong. You just CAN'T! They hold every phone before like that so they won't change it just for this one especially when its not comfortable for them. You buy a product because you want to use it not to think or worry how to hold it for the product to work.

In the early ages antennas were on the top of the phone with actual antenna sticking out of the phone. It was the best place to put them as people wouldn't be holding it there nor would they cover the antenna.

Now, Apple decided this insane thing to put it out and make it unusable for some people. I've actually tried it to hold the phone naked with just two fingers as a lot of people like to hold and the signal is gone in few seconds.
That is a fault in design no matter how you look at it. You can defend it all you want but you won't be able to reason it.
Your analogy is laughable because you are comparing abuse use vs normal use -> two different things.

As I said, I don't have problems with my phone as I have no issues on it but talk to people every day (my job) and I often hear them complaining about it. People love the phone, they just don't want the issue.

So, as someone said - "stop living in a bubble"

They should stop complaining then and take the phone back. They could also accept that the phone does more better then any other phone as a whole and they are more productive and enjoy their device. They could also accept that it seems even just isolating the phone performance in a recent survey users are reporting fewer dropped calls. They would then stop complaining and move on. Maybe even do the most human of all activities and learn that a slightly different grip yields better results and evolve.

Again they could also just return the device and go back to one of the other competing devices. Life is full of choices.
 
Yeah...

Boy, I wish more people on this site thought like this, or at least understood this sentiment, instead of flaming anyone who's the least bit critical of Apple.

Frankly it's Microsoft syndrome. If you get too big and too successful you get a little complacent. If you're not number one or even two, like they were when there were reports of "Apple computer to close doors tomorrow" days they really did try harder. Just to stay alive.

Now with the success of their recent products with more people using them the unsatisfied are far more vocal.

I'm not saying that the current product line isn't compelling but if it were my company there would be some changes to make it even better.

Not even really giant changes either but relatively simple to add things like USB3 and eSata on the computers - my own iPhone4 I've had no problems with and I've posted the
video quite a while ago.
 
Apple doesn't want 90% of the overall computer market. They do want 90% of the high-margin computer marketplace, hence their virtual dominance in computer sales over $1000.

You have bought into SJ's marketing:
(1) Apple say they aren't interested in PC marketshare
(2)On the iPhone / iPod , iTunes side Apple are forever 'boasting' about their high marketshare.

Apple generally keep quite regarding their PC marketshare because its so low - it doesn't sound as good as the iPod statistics. Could you imagine SJ coming on stage and saying "well, we've got 6% worldwide marketshare of PC market"... ( vs, "well, we've got 70% of the digital music market )?


I can guarantee you, if Apple could get 90% marketshare, whilst keeping their current margins, they would. Apple are interested in selling as much hardware as they possibly can - and keeping their margins. That is their business - selling their products to as many people as possible.

Apple require marketshare to keep developers writing software and hardware manufacturers to carrying on making their products Mac compatible. If Apple lose developers and hardware support they'll lose customers. What is a nice OS and computer if it can't do what you want it to do?
 
Nevertheless, Canada is unimportant in the smart phone revolution. Be glad we sell you anything.

Really??!!?? Can't get 3G signal in New York or San Francisco?? And I get it full bars in the middle of the Prairies? Yes, I think we are unimportant. Americans didn't what tethering anyways...
 
This must be the worst analogy I'ver read in months. For the discussion sake I will explain why.

A brick wall and a bloody forehead is what supervenes from your interminable effort. For the sake of glorified vanity, let me declare my standpoint, to adjoin yours in a defensive conglomeration.

The analogy, poor as you state, applies indisputably to ignorance on behalf of the user. As I see it, this antenna-gate fuss roots not from consumer infliction, but from poor hardware. In this case, the dismissive attitude of the poster is rendered completely moot. A more meet analogy would be as such: "Some people drop their iPhones, do we let them blame Apple?". It's a nice try though, even if favoritism sways over the pour soul.
 
Two reasons why Apple doesn't use USB3.0 yet.

1) Not enough USB 3.0 devices (what devices do you have right now that need it?) I'd venture to say most don't need it right now, nor will need it for at least another 1-2 years. With that said, if you got a BR player connected via USB 3.0, all the power to you.

2) Few motherboards actually have USB 3.0. Yes, there are some higher end ones, but not many, but since we know how Apple is with mobo's...

Two reasons why Apple doesn't use BR yet:

1) Licensing issues, system level DRM (in the freaking kernel!!), and just general integration nastiness. Now I'm not sure if the level 0 kernel requirement has gotten the boot yet, but I imagine once it does BR would become more likely.

2) Apple's trying to move away from physical media, and so is all the content providers.

Now I'm not saying these are necessarily GOOD reasons, just the reasons as is.
 
Got a link for that 3 to 1 sales ratio?

I haven't seen anyone report the Android to iPhone sales ratio this way. I came up with the number based on the latest numbers available.

iPhone 4 sold 3 million in first 21 days. It sold 1.7 million in first 3 days, which include preorders. 3-1.7=1.3 million in the 21-3=18 days. 1.3 million/18 days = 72 thousand phones per day on average. This number has been discussed on various threads, blogs, analysts reports because you can't meet Apple's stated iPhone sales targets for the quarter at this rate.

In any case, latest numbers we have are around 72k phones per day.
Meanwhile Google just announced they're activating 200k phones per day.
200/72 = 2.8x, or 280% of the sales of iPhone 4.

Its also worth noting the rate of increase in sales of Android phones. Late last year they announced they were activating just 30k phones per day, then 60k in March, 100k in May, 160k in June, 200k August. Basically about doubling every 3 months.
 
1.) They are sacking him wrong.

2.) He's an engineer. I bet that he's had some serious arguments with the design and marketing teams about the antenna, the glass and who knows what else.

3.) Whatever the background, it is suspicious that he left so soon after the iP4 launch. I would even pay to know the full story. I can imagine departmental clashes, trying to find a scapegoat, clashes between manufacturing and engineering facilities, issues with secrecy and so on...

Someday there will be a book, a really good book hopefully. It would be a shame if a writer wrote a fanboy version, a vindictive one to get even, or just a crappy one in general. This is one case where fact would be more interesting than fiction.

Available on iPad.
 
Scapegoat

Agreed, but it does suck that a blatant issue like this occurred. I have to look at it like this: Apple has been praised for the iPhone. Even the mediocre update of the 3GS was accepted as a good thing. The iPhone is competing against a dozen (literally) Android phones only on one network and they just simply can't afford to let their greatest phone since the 1st gen turn out to be a turd. If this guy's job was to oversee the engineering of the phone in it's entirety then he failed. I can make excuses for him because he used a case to carry the test units around in and that masked the issue. But in the end it's his baby to hand over and take responsibility for. Ruining or blemishing the iPhone's stellar rep is just not going to be taken well AT ALL.
 
Somewhere deep inside IBM someone is laughing... that kinda crazy, deep laugh that makes you want to back out of the room carefully.

Also in another office in Redmond there's a man who often utters the words "developers, developers, developers.." wondering exactly what Mr Papermaster can bring them.
 
well well it is clear that a company going all digital is getting rid of the paper, including paper master :D :D :D :D
 
Sorry it took so long to respond, I was out with my hot wife at a cool cirque party! Were you at your computer on a saturday night? Get a life!
Blimey. I hope you had fun. My wife and I got invited last year. Here's a picture of the one that everyone talked about. Yep. Only a fool stays home when your wife fits something that :cool: <= cool :D
 
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