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Proximity sensor

I am on my third iPhone 4 and am buying a Blackberry Torch on the 12th when they are released. I have had every iPhone since the day they came out but this one is only usable on speaker sitting on your counter or desk. The proximity sensors are so defective that the screen does not always turn off and you constantly put callers on pause, hold, or speaker phone. I cannot tell you how many times this has happened with all three phones. You're talking and all of a sudden it is on speaker and you are accidentally calling another contact in your phone it is a mess. It sometimes happens five six seven times in the same call. Some of the senior analyst’s have admitted to a proximity sensor issue they are researching but as a twenty-four year Apple customer who has bought approx. one hundred mac's I am done with them. When they lie and cover up instead of facing a problem they have stepped up to a new level that is not the Apple I love and was loyal too. They too now put short term profit ahead of integrity. When you have fifty-billion in cash in the bank I would not think that the integrity route would be that hard to figure out for the best long term good of the company and it's customers.
 
OH MY GOD! Even Apple accepts that there is an issue!

As an AAPL shareholder, if this causes Apple's profit margins to soar, I am all for it.

I don't need to change my computer very often. I just replaced a four-year-old MacBook with a Mac mini. I expect this computer to last four years. My iPod touch? I update that every two years.

Show me those posts.

I can show you dozens of posts actually, where you keep going on about being an Apple shareholder. With your iPod Touch and recently replaced Mac Mini, you surely don't fit the stereotype of the type of investor whose opinion matters. Actually, can I say: "pictures or it never happened"? Any receipt/invoice or proof of transferring funds will do...

Answering your other request about showing posts where you deny or try to claim that the antenna problem is only in the US - well, do you write your own posts? Even in this thread there are posts where you put the blame on telecom companies and say that it is a US-only problem. If it is, you should inform Apple. They think it's global.

It's kind of sad that some people feel the need to protect Apple, when even Apple Inc accepted that the antenna issue was real and that there was a link between dropping calls and the antenna design. It took a few weeks and some lying, downplaying and denial on their part, but now they are doing their damage control EVERYWHERE. Even they don't claim that it is only affecting US handsets. They are sending these cheap bumpers everywhere. They have the refund in every Apple Stores overseas, but correct me if I'm wrong.
 
I am on my third iPhone 4 and am buying a Blackberry Torch on the 12th when they are released. I have had every iPhone since the day they came out but this one is only usable on speaker sitting on your counter or desk. The proximity sensors are so defective that the screen does not always turn off and you constantly put callers on pause, hold, or speaker phone. I cannot tell you how many times this has happened with all three phones. You're talking and all of a sudden it is on speaker and you are accidentally calling another contact in your phone it is a mess. It sometimes happens five six seven times in the same call. Some of the senior analyst’s have admitted to a proximity sensor issue they are researching but as a twenty-four year Apple customer who has bought approx. one hundred mac's I am done with them. When they lie and cover up instead of facing a problem they have stepped up to a new level that is not the Apple I love and was loyal too. They too now put short term profit ahead of integrity. When you have fifty-billion in cash in the bank I would not think that the integrity route would be that hard to figure out for the best long term good of the company and it's customers.

That happening several times in one call really does sound like a mess.
 
Tennisandmusic, I was never disagreeing with the fact that Jobs is often quite the tyrannical douche, I just think that saying that he is "showing his true colours" is overdramatic and [tabloidian]. Like you say, there's plenty of material that point to his shortcomings.

Anyhow, thanks for your reply.
 
LOL.

How many different threads is trstahly going to cut and past the exact same post?
 
Probably got a $10M severance package and stock options worth even more ca$h. He'll be ok. Plus, another company will snap him up to pick his brain.
 
The only reason Google is activating 200K a day is because the wireless companies are GIVING the handsets away for nothing.
 
Stop making excuses for not understanding technology.

Consider the following:

Some people can't keep their cars on the road, do we let them blame Ford?

Some people shoot themselves in the foot, do we blame Smith & Wesson?

Some people can't handle alcohol, do we blame the farmers growing the corn or wheat? Or for that matter do we blame Jack Daniels?

Some people smash their thumbs when driving a nail. Do we then blame the nail or the hammer?

***********

The point is iPhone 4 works fine when used properly just like every other cell phone. Sure there are idiots that can make it fail with regularity, but that is no different than running a car into a ditch and then expecting to drive out. It doesn't matter if you ended up in that ditch on purpose or by accident, sitting there blaming the car serves no useful purpose. Likewise finding a weak point on a cell phone and then dwelling on it as a flaw also serves no useful purpose. There is nothing made by man that is perfect, as such you are far better off focusing on the positive or good than the negative.


Dave

I really hope you're not involved in any kind of product design or user experience (no offense).
 
I am on my third iPhone 4 and am buying a Blackberry Torch on the 12th when they are released. I have had every iPhone since the day they came out but this one is only usable on speaker sitting on your counter or desk. The proximity sensors are so defective that the screen does not always turn off and you constantly put callers on pause, hold, or speaker phone. I cannot tell you how many times this has happened with all three phones. You're talking and all of a sudden it is on speaker and you are accidentally calling another contact in your phone it is a mess. It sometimes happens five six seven times in the same call. Some of the senior analyst’s have admitted to a proximity sensor issue they are researching but as a twenty-four year Apple customer who has bought approx. one hundred mac's I am done with them. When they lie and cover up instead of facing a problem they have stepped up to a new level that is not the Apple I love and was loyal too. They too now put short term profit ahead of integrity. When you have fifty-billion in cash in the bank I would not think that the integrity route would be that hard to figure out for the best long term good of the company and it's customers.

jeez that must be really frustrating. i can't imagine having a borked phone, then seeing Apple's botched press conference on antennagate, misleading affected users, then bringing a condescending tone to the issue.

interesting that this news was released over the weekend, to keep the departure news minimized.
 
So long Papermaster... The iPhone and everything with it has been a total train wreck!

If selling every unit I can make from a high volume manufacturing line at an industry leading profit margin, plus getting tons of free publicity, if this is a train wreck, please point me a some trains I can wreck this way.

Please. Please. Please.

And in this business, it's all good if they spell your name correctly. Note that many movies sell even better with a really evil villain and a few high profile rotten reviews. Now who at Apple knows how to make tons of money in the movie business?
 
Umm, I still haven't seen a PC with USB3 and the only motherboards I can find it with are a few high end ones.
There are plenty of budget H55 boards with USB 3.0.

P55 and H55 boards aren't that cheap to begin with. There are a handful of LGA 775 boards with USB 3.0 as well but that's for very rare cases.
 
I doubt this has anything to do with accountability; I think this has MORE to do with Papermaster's integrity! With Bloomberg reporting weeks ago a top engineer had issues with use of the external antenna integration and spoke openly to Steve Jobs which rejected the advisement; and Jobs also outright stated its ********, I think THIS is Papermaster's way of stating Jobs is lying and more going on with the antennagate situation; without pointing a finger.

Oh yes, he gave up a top job just to state that Jobs is lying, however without actually stating that he is lying. Excellent strategy. Just a shame that it was too subtle for anyone but you to notice.
 
The only reason Google is activating 200K a day is because the wireless companies are GIVING the handsets away for nothing.

And the only reason wireless companies do not offer iPhones for free is Apple strategy to charge through the roof. We'll see which strategy wins in the end.
 
Touche!!!

No, it's called accountability. It's harsh but it's a good thing too. Nothing poisons a company quicker than when a person that makes decisions is not held accountable when things go wrong, even if its perception.

Now if only "corporate accountability" were practiced by companies like Goldman Sachs, Countrywide Mortgage, AIG, etc. :mad:
 
Interesting new tidbit from wsj.

Mr. Papermaster had lost the confidence of Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs months ago and hasn't been part of the decision-making process for some time, say these people. They added that Mr. Papermaster was unable to think outside of the box and wasn't used to Apple's corporate culture, where even senior executives are expected to keep on top of the smallest details of their area of responsibility and often have to handle many tasks directly, as opposed to delegating them. One of them also said he had difficulty maneuvering Apple's internal politics.

If that's the case. It could be that internal apple was aware of the issue long long ago..
 
I am on my third iPhone 4 and am buying a Blackberry Torch on the 12th when they are released. I have had every iPhone since the day they came out but this one is only usable on speaker sitting on your counter or desk. The proximity sensors are so defective that the screen does not always turn off and you constantly put callers on pause, hold, or speaker phone. I cannot tell you how many times this has happened with all three phones. You're talking and all of a sudden it is on speaker and you are accidentally calling another contact in your phone it is a mess. It sometimes happens five six seven times in the same call. Some of the senior analyst’s have admitted to a proximity sensor issue they are researching but as a twenty-four year Apple customer who has bought approx. one hundred mac's I am done with them. When they lie and cover up instead of facing a problem they have stepped up to a new level that is not the Apple I love and was loyal too. They too now put short term profit ahead of integrity. When you have fifty-billion in cash in the bank I would not think that the integrity route would be that hard to figure out for the best long term good of the company and it's customers.

Wow, all three of your iPhone 4 replacements with the same problems, that’s amazing? I got lucky, my first one Pre-Oredered and received 6/22 and not one problem! No drop calls or proximity sensor problems! I must have got the golden iPhone……..
 
The only reason Google is activating 200K a day is because the wireless companies are GIVING the handsets away for nothing.
Right. LOL.

All the top selling Android phones are $200 w 2 yr commitment, same as iPhone. EVO requires $10/mo premium just because.
 
I suspect at the next iPhone event, Steve Jobs will make reference to the issues that the iPhone 4 has and say that even though it was the best and most purchased phone they ever produced, they made some "design changes" to the new iPhone (iPhone 5?) to ensure that the iPhone remains the best-in-class smartphone.

I'd wager that the stainless steel antenna design will be gone from the next iPhone and the proximity sensor will be relocated. I'd also wager that Steve Jobs won't hesitate to blame iPhone 4's problems "which a relatively small percentage of people experienced" (according to him) on Mr. Papermaster. I really doubt, however, that Steve Jobs would delegate his cash cow's hardware design entirely to an SVP. My guess is that Papermaster had to report directly to Steve and whenever there was a conflict in opinion on how the hardware should be designed, Steve won every single time.

I think the iPhone 4 design was largely (if not entirely) driven by what Steve wanted. Let's face it, if Steve didn't approve the design, it wouldn't be on the market right now. I think Apple is realizing internally that there are some profound problems with the iPhone 4's design, but Steve would never take the fall and bruise his gigantic ego.
 
I am on my third iPhone 4 and am buying a Blackberry Torch on the 12th when they are released. I have had every iPhone since the day they came out but this one is only usable on speaker sitting on your counter or desk. The proximity sensors are so defective that the screen does not always turn off and you constantly put callers on pause, hold, or speaker phone. I cannot tell you how many times this has happened with all three phones. You're talking and all of a sudden it is on speaker and you are accidentally calling another contact in your phone it is a mess. It sometimes happens five six seven times in the same call. Some of the senior analyst’s have admitted to a proximity sensor issue they are researching but as a twenty-four year Apple customer who has bought approx. one hundred mac's I am done with them. When they lie and cover up instead of facing a problem they have stepped up to a new level that is not the Apple I love and was loyal too. They too now put short term profit ahead of integrity. When you have fifty-billion in cash in the bank I would not think that the integrity route would be that hard to figure out for the best long term good of the company and it's customers.
Please. Do us a HUGE favor and make a movie, clearly demonstrating the problems. The onces you here say to experience with your iPhone 4. You as a long-term [24] year Apple customer can do this, no?

I bet that you are moving the phone, and touching the display with something [ear, nose, cheek whatever] otherwise this is not going to happen – not true, at least not until I have seen the evidence myself.
 
Right. LOL.

All the top selling Android phones are $200 w 2 yr commitment, same as iPhone. EVO requires $10/mo premium just because.

Does Android BOGO somehow not factor in here?

Not to mention the giveaways:

5NTw
 
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