Hmm that's not what he told me. I said I'm on £25 for 200 minutes and 500 texts and he said I can do that for you for £15.
I'll call back and if that's what they've put me on there'll be hell to pay.
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iPhone Launched in the UK on O2 Network
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Hmm that's not what he told me. I said I'm on £25 for 200 minutes and 500 texts and he said I can do that for you for £15.
I'll call back and if that's what they've put me on there'll be hell to pay.
Battery performance metrics?
The 3G vs. Edge battery performance has been discussed over and over but always seems to focus on time. I don't get it: talktime on a 3G phone is (in my mind) a non-issue; I do voice calls using GSM, which every 3G-phone supports.
Where 3G "shines" is on data delivery (packet-switching a la IP et al.). I have a hard time believing that Edge is more efficient at delivering Mbits than WCDMA, and that's what matters to me when I access the internet. So wouldn't a ("typical") 3G phone be able to deliver more bits in total (total number of web pages or whatever metric you would like to use) than an Edge phone on a single charge?
Any thoughts?
The 3G vs. Edge battery performance has been discussed over and over but always seems to focus on time. I don't get it: talktime on a 3G phone is (in my mind) a non-issue; I do voice calls using GSM, which every 3G-phone supports.
Where 3G "shines" is on data delivery (packet-switching a la IP et al.). I have a hard time believing that Edge is more efficient at delivering Mbits than WCDMA, and that's what matters to me when I access the internet. So wouldn't a ("typical") 3G phone be able to deliver more bits in total (total number of web pages or whatever metric you would like to use) than an Edge phone on a single charge?
Any thoughts?
went to the Regent St Apple store and they have loads of touch's...... couldn't get near the iPhone/touch display as there was a crowd about 7 deep..... no chance...... I was queuing up to ask if they had any touch's and one of those mobile sales people with a wireless chip and pin unit asked me what I was buying... I said a touch and he got one out for me and was sold in 30 seconds... I asked about the dark screen issue and he suggested the Apple Care protection plan ! Ha ! The up sell ! Some of the staff already have iPhone as there own phone.... been playing with the touch for an hour and if the iPhone is like this (which it is) data rate plans aint going to matter at all..... the thing is light years ahead..... people will pay an extra 5-10 quid a month for the iPhone.... no problems at al..... I'd pay that for safari browser alone......
V.Disappointed...
...£269 is just too much of a stinger up for front for the UK mobile market. Subsequently I think the UK's contribution toward Apple shifting 2 million iPhones is going to be a notch above negligible.
To couple a very, and by UK standards, VERY costly handset to such uninspiring tariffs is a dead duck. I'm no business graduate but I think O2 could have seriously misfired with this one. Not to mention Apple. For £30 a month I currently get 600 anytime cross network minutes, unlimited texts, and free evening and weekend web access (3G) through Orange. The O2 tariffs will be as much of a sticking point for potential buyers as the hefty wodge they are being expected to fork out at point of purchase.
If you're not hung up on visual voicemail it would seem very tempting to buy one from the US, get it unlocked, and have it on whichever network you wish. Saving nearly £70 in the process.
Gutted. No, really. Nokia have got a bit more friendly towards Macs in the last year or so but I was itching to ditch my E65 and have proper syncing between my notebook and mobile.
...£269 is just too much of a stinger up for front for the UK mobile market. Subsequently I think the UK's contribution toward Apple shifting 2 million iPhones is going to be a notch above negligible.
To couple a very, and by UK standards, VERY costly handset to such uninspiring tariffs is a dead duck. I'm no business graduate but I think O2 could have seriously misfired with this one. Not to mention Apple. For £30 a month I currently get 600 anytime cross network minutes, unlimited texts, and free evening and weekend web access (3G) through Orange. The O2 tariffs will be as much of a sticking point for potential buyers as the hefty wodge they are being expected to fork out at point of purchase.
If you're not hung up on visual voicemail it would seem very tempting to buy one from the US, get it unlocked, and have it on whichever network you wish. Saving nearly £70 in the process.
Gutted. No, really. Nokia have got a bit more friendly towards Macs in the last year or so but I was itching to ditch my E65 and have proper syncing between my notebook and mobile.
Seriously once you try it you'll understand why they'll sell millions of these things.... nokia may have GPS, 5MP cam and lower data plans (although I don't believe the last comment) but multi-touch makes the thing so far ahead of those units you won't be able use another phone..... in time they'll get MT in the nano's and a smaller lower priced phone with less features and apple will have the entire market cornered.... NOKIA-smokia...... you can see the mobile web units are the way forward..... why am I typing this on a laptop ??
No problem! The more aware people are of the insane prices we have, the more customers will stop accepting it and it will lead to better rates. For now, i'm just going to buy an iphone and use it on wi-fi, since there is free wifi almost everywhere nowadays anyway!
best thread i've read, this is at the end of the day the device we have all been waiting for yet people come on here and moan moan moan.
it's the iphone and i'm getting one first day!!!!
hmm.
I want to see the small print on "unlimited", 1,400 pages per day? what pages? O2's home page? or googles home page? it makes a difference.
also are there restrictions on what pages you can visit, e.g. chat sites where the phone will be in constant communication.
as for paying for a phone um.. a bit well American that isn't it? not exactly the way things work here with pay-monthly phones.
the lack of 3G cripples the data download, but I think that was the point, if it was 3G and unlimited, and popular the network would need a few pence spending on it and that would never do.
my contract with O2 is up in december, I may wait a while, the price to buy will drop, or the spec will go up. a 3G version will arrive, for europe it may have to.
the killer will be the weasel words in the contract
I want to see the small print on "unlimited", 1,400 pages per day? what pages? O2's home page? or googles home page? it makes a difference.
also are there restrictions on what pages you can visit, e.g. chat sites where the phone will be in constant communication.
as for paying for a phone um.. a bit well American that isn't it? not exactly the way things work here with pay-monthly phones.
the lack of 3G cripples the data download, but I think that was the point, if it was 3G and unlimited, and popular the network would need a few pence spending on it and that would never do.
my contract with O2 is up in december, I may wait a while, the price to buy will drop, or the spec will go up. a 3G version will arrive, for europe it may have to.
the killer will be the weasel words in the contract
It's easy
It is impossible to compare a horse drawn chariot with a nuclear powered intergalactic space station traveling at half the speed of light.
It is impossible to compare a horse drawn chariot with a nuclear powered intergalactic space station traveling at half the speed of light.
Fully sealed iPhone? No SIM inside it???
Yet ANOTHER chat with ANOTHER o2 rep was quite interesting. Needless to say I didn't get the 600/1000 deal that eeeno has been promised, but I did hear some wildly speculative and possibly alarming gossip from him.
This chap reckoned that although the US version has a SIM card, the UK version doesn't. He said, repeatedly, and I quote:
"All the information we've got at this time points to the UK iPhone being a sealed unit with no SIM card inside it - all the information is locked inside the unit, and my colleagues and I don't think that's a very clever idea at all because if you damage your phone or want to change phone, you've lost the lot because there's no way of getting inside to retrieve the data with a SIM card. To be honest with you, I don't think it's a very good phone at all, I think it's much too expensive and it looks nice and has loads of great features but it's too expensive and the tariffs aren't negotiable - but they're what Apple has set with O2, they're what Apple has suggested to O2 are acceptable tariffs. We can't change the texts or minutes up to something comparable to the N95 for example because you're getting this unlimited data, that's the way it works."
I spoke at length to him about the US iPhone and how it could be imported etc. He actually said to me, "To be honest if you wanted one you'd be better off, and cheaper, to buy a US one and import it and get it unlocked, because at this time I can't guarantee you'll be able to put a SIM in it. And also, in a few months there'll be an upgraded version of it out with new features and that."
I asked him what new version.
"Well they don't know what date it's going to be out but it won't be very long, early next year they're saying."
So, all hearsay from someone who probably doesn't know that much about it, or is there something in that? A fully sealed UK version? That would really stuff the hackers up.
Yet ANOTHER chat with ANOTHER o2 rep was quite interesting. Needless to say I didn't get the 600/1000 deal that eeeno has been promised, but I did hear some wildly speculative and possibly alarming gossip from him.
This chap reckoned that although the US version has a SIM card, the UK version doesn't. He said, repeatedly, and I quote:
"All the information we've got at this time points to the UK iPhone being a sealed unit with no SIM card inside it - all the information is locked inside the unit, and my colleagues and I don't think that's a very clever idea at all because if you damage your phone or want to change phone, you've lost the lot because there's no way of getting inside to retrieve the data with a SIM card. To be honest with you, I don't think it's a very good phone at all, I think it's much too expensive and it looks nice and has loads of great features but it's too expensive and the tariffs aren't negotiable - but they're what Apple has set with O2, they're what Apple has suggested to O2 are acceptable tariffs. We can't change the texts or minutes up to something comparable to the N95 for example because you're getting this unlimited data, that's the way it works."
I spoke at length to him about the US iPhone and how it could be imported etc. He actually said to me, "To be honest if you wanted one you'd be better off, and cheaper, to buy a US one and import it and get it unlocked, because at this time I can't guarantee you'll be able to put a SIM in it. And also, in a few months there'll be an upgraded version of it out with new features and that."
I asked him what new version.
"Well they don't know what date it's going to be out but it won't be very long, early next year they're saying."
So, all hearsay from someone who probably doesn't know that much about it, or is there something in that? A fully sealed UK version? That would really stuff the hackers up.
Absolutely correct. I can't think anything else I need it to do.... people talk about 3G as if they need high-speed internet 24 hours a day..... if you've got that much time on your hands then you need to get out of your mothers basement... why do I need internet on a mobile device ? To check weather, football scores and the like..... also to read a few articles in the paper.... I'm not downloading 5GB of porn every day... when traveling I need to check train times etc and maybe hotels and stuff..... wifi can do this for me and EDGE is fie to check this stuff for 5 mins..... seriously all of the moaners on this board haven't even used a multi-touch device so what would they know ?
and for the winslow who spoke of the 15 pound a month price plan for sim only ... well does a SIM card have multi-touch.....?
This may be a stupid question, but I'm going to ask anyway. Why Does apple charge hundreds more for most products in the UK compared to the US?
I think it's the fact we'll be paying $500 and at cheapest $70 a month for a ridiculously limited plan...
Unless apple do a UK price drop or O2 get their act together, I'm not getting an iPhone, unlike many people seem to think on here, you CAN live without one...
Jobs Confirms 3G iPhone Coming 2008
Pocketlint reports that Jobs confirmed Apple's plans for a 3G iPhone in 2008. He said, to a crowd accustomed to 3G: "You can expect a 3G iPhone later next year." :O
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/10212/11236/apple-iphone-3g-coming-2008.phtml
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/confirmed/jobs-confirms-3g-iphone-coming-2008-300900.php
Pocketlint reports that Jobs confirmed Apple's plans for a 3G iPhone in 2008. He said, to a crowd accustomed to 3G: "You can expect a 3G iPhone later next year." :O
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/10212/11236/apple-iphone-3g-coming-2008.phtml
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/confirmed/jobs-confirms-3g-iphone-coming-2008-300900.php
well from watching the demos on the apple site i'm fairly well impressed. i'm not in the slightest bit interested in camera pixel counts. the more pixels you put on a tiny sensor beyond a certain point the more noise. and like most apple customers i don't engage in bare spec comparisons.
i'm very much looking forward to trying the touch. i went to look at the nano a week ago and it was only when it was in my hand that i appreciated the design. so i think you have to try before you draw any conclusions.
What a stupid thing to say. Of course it doesn't.
My point is that a SIM-only plan requires you to have a handset, allowing you to go off and buy one you want or use the one you've got. Great.
So, I can buy the iPhone handset... but then do I get access to SIM-only tariffs? No. I get access to ones that aren't quite as good as even the ones that already come with a handset such as the N95 for 'free'.
Do you see my point?
Me, I'm all for it. I'm GAGGING for an iPhone and the handset price is just right for me. I'll get one. But the rumour that just hit me direct from an O2 employee that the UK build of the iPhone won't have a removeable panel to put a sim card in is pretty worrisome.
Well I tried to put that to him several times. I gave him plenty of rope to hang himself with:
- it's the same model as the US phone isn't it? "Apparently not."
- you can put a SIM in the US model, I've seen it done. "Yes you can."
- but you can't put a SIM in the UK model? "Our information suggests all the contact details etc is synced straight to the phone via iTunes."
- yes I know that, but it's written to the SIM in there, right? "We're hearing that there's no SIM."
- there has to be a SIM, what do you put inside it? "You can't get access to it, is what we're hearing. It's a sealed unit."
- but the US one isn't sealed. "No, it's not."
- but the UK one is? "That's what the information we're getting suggests."
You're right though, it sounds like total BS.
ah yes, well i am temporarily staying with my mother.........
seconded.
So, was Steve Jobs the Walrus?
Probably not, but I will reply with another question anyway:
HAVE ALL THE WHINERS MOVED TO UK? It seems so...you guys should stick to your crappy mobiles and their ridiculous UIs...the iPhone is not only about price, it's about the whole experience...and the 3G thing has been beaten to death already...THERE IS NO 3G BECAUSE OF BATTERY ISSUES, PERIOD.
Go figure...