iPhone Launched in the UK on O2 Network

[MarkW19]

What on earth is this all about?

No, you can't put any old PAYG sim in an iPhone, that's total nonsense. Unless your SIM is for one of the iPhone/O2 deals, you need to unlock, even if the sim you want to put in is an O2 one on a different tariff.

lol, nice manner.

Whenever I've had a SIM-locked handset before, I've been able to swap SIMs from the same network (as most of my friends/family are always on the same network: O2 recently, and Orange a year or so back) - a MIXTURE of PAYG and contract SIMs - and all of the O2 SIMs have worked in O2-locked handsets, and Orange SIMs have worked in Orange-locked handsets. I can only go by my personal experience. The iPhone will still need to be activation hacked, of course.

It's just a *network* lock, or at least that's what I've always found. If Apple has set things up differently with the iPhone - which they may have - then I apologise for giving wrong information - although it was only speculation, hence the use of "should".

 

[nomad01]

http://europe.nokia.com/A4299040

<gasp>

I could kiss you. But i won't.

Not perfect (it misses anniversaries off the calendar when it syncs! :-() but it's miles better than nothing at all!

Thanks

 

[Golf Tango]

cloud is £6.99 a month.

ok so they dropped the price since the last time i looked, just factor in £3 a month less

 

[owen-b]

lol, nice manner.

Whenever I've had a SIM-locked handset before, I've been able to swap SIMs from the same network (as most of my friends/family are always on the same network: O2 recently, and Orange a year or so back) - a MIXTURE of PAYG and contract SIMs - and all of the O2 SIMs have worked in O2-locked handsets, and Orange SIMs have worked in Orange-locked handsets. I can only go by my personal experience. The iPhone will still need to be activation hacked, of course.

It's just a *network* lock, or at least that's what I've always found. If Apple has set things up differently with the iPhone - which they may have - then I apologise for giving wrong information - although it was only speculation, hence the use of "should".

Sorry, a bit tetchy all of a sudden.

Thing is, you're still going to have to unlock it, so whether you can use the same network sim is immaterial.

 

[Golf Tango]

and while we are on the subject of The Cloud's wi-fi, is it any good? Has anybody got any experience of them?

 

[MarkW19]

Sorry, a bit tetchy all of a sudden.

Thing is, you're still going to have to unlock it, so whether you can use the same network sim is immaterial.

Who's tetchy, you or me?

True, though. But you could just do an activation hack, rather than an unlock-hack. Same difference I guess - each of them causing potential problems/hassle with future updates/warranty etc.

So yeah, I guess it's irrelevant.

 

[trevreyno]

Hope those who are going the unlocking route are also prepared for having their iphones turn into a brick for days possibly weeks when the hackers are searching for a way to get around the future updates patches released by Apple.
You can be sure that the networks who have paid through the nose for the exclusivity of this will do their utmost to make sure that Apple keep releasing those firmware updates.

As Jobs said " cat and mouse"

 

[MarkW19]

Hope those who are going the unlocking route are also prepared for having their iphones turn into a brick for days possibly weeks when the hackers are searching for a way to get around the future updates patches released by Apple.
You can be sure that the networks who have paid through the nose for the exclusivity of this will do their utmost to make sure that Apple keep releasing those firmware updates.

As Jobs said " cat and mouse"

True, but it would be sensible to WAIT before upgrading to a new firmware version, until the hackers have tested/modified their hacks to work with it.

Also, as you said, it's cat and mouse - the hackers are hopefully always going to be able to do it, it's just a matter of how quick and how difficult it is!

 

[daneoni]

Hope those who are going the unlocking route are also prepared for having their iphones turn into a brick for days possibly weeks when the hackers are searching for a way to get around the future updates patches released by Apple.
You can be sure that the networks who have paid through the nose for the exclusivity of this will do their utmost to make sure that Apple keep releasing those firmware updates.

As Jobs said " cat and mouse"

....or simply DON'T update till a workaround to each firmware is found and use your phone like you were b4 the firmware was released.

 

[owen-b]

Hope those who are going the unlocking route are also prepared for having their iphones turn into a brick for days possibly weeks when the hackers are searching for a way to get around the future updates patches released by Apple.
You can be sure that the networks who have paid through the nose for the exclusivity of this will do their utmost to make sure that Apple keep releasing those firmware updates.

As Jobs said " cat and mouse"

Just don't let the iPhone upgrade itself, or when it does use one of the hacker apps to reinstall 1.0.2 or whatever OS was last known to work. Job done.

 

[redgaz26]

So long as you're happy getting considerably less for your £35/£45 with an iPhone than you currently do with your £40 N95, that should be fine...

can people stop going on about other phones, if i wanted an N95 I would have bought one, we are all aware what these other phones can do, the price plans you get etc.
this is the iphone and from what other posters have said this device is worth the money! i had a play with one a couple of weeks ago and it's the only phone I'll be getting!

 

[owen-b]

Who's tetchy, you or me?

Me.

bedtime I think.

 

[daneoni]

can people stop going on about other phones, if i wanted an N95 I would have bought one, we are all aware what these other phones can do, the price plans you get etc.
this is the iphone and from what other posters have said this device is worth the money! i had a play with one a couple of weeks ago and it's the only phone I'll be getting!

Comparing with the competition keeps you in check and breaks down the reality distortion field.

 

[cookieme]

I've read every post in this thread and they revolve around the same topics, i.e crappy prices, locked phone, comparison with US iphone. I've played with the iphone for more than an hour when I was in New York 2 months ago and it's a joy to use like all of Apple's products. I study in London and I'm very interested in getting one. HOWEVER, I'll wait to see what the fine print reads with regards to O2's "fair usage policy" and all the hidden fees involved.

i just have two questions that none of the posts touch upon:

- Is there a student discount on the iphone (not the tariffs)?

- What about travelling abroad! Any ideas about the roaming charges? If you're a businessman I can accept that you would pay any roaming fees when you travel abroad for business, but as a student or any other individual this is a very expensive option. The ability to get a pay as you go SIM card in a country you are vacationing in or working in for a period of time is something that is not possible due the O2 Apple partnership. Of course, you can hack your phone, but if you want to be legit this is a big disadvantage!

Any thoughts are welcome

 

[daneoni]

lol, nice manner.

Whenever I've had a SIM-locked handset before, I've been able to swap SIMs from the same network (as most of my friends/family are always on the same network: O2 recently, and Orange a year or so back) - a MIXTURE of PAYG and contract SIMs - and all of the O2 SIMs have worked in O2-locked handsets, and Orange SIMs have worked in Orange-locked handsets. I can only go by my personal experience. The iPhone will still need to be activation hacked, of course.

It's just a *network* lock, or at least that's what I've always found. If Apple has set things up differently with the iPhone - which they may have - then I apologise for giving wrong information - although it was only speculation, hence the use of "should".

iPhone SIM is tailor-made specifically for it. I remember when the US launch occurred, you could NOT swap an AT&T sim from any other AT&T phone with the iPhone. The only swaps that *may* be possible is iPhone-iPhone sim swaps.

 

[redgaz26]

just a thought but what about people who are refused the credit, at&t then had a pay as you go option which was not really advertised, wonder if 02 will do the same.

 

[daneoni]

I've read every post in this thread and they revolve around the same topics, i.e crappy prices, locked phone, comparison with US iphone. I've played with the iphone for more than an hour when I was in New York 2 months ago and it's a joy to use like all of Apple's products. I study in London and I'm very interested in getting one. HOWEVER, I'll wait to see what the fine print reads with regards to O2's "fair usage policy" and all the hidden fees involved.

i just have two questions that none of the posts touch upon:

- Is there a student discount on the iphone (not the tariffs)?

- What about travelling abroad! Any ideas about the roaming charges? If you're a businessman I can accept that you would pay any roaming fees when you travel abroad for business, but as a student or any other individual this is a very expensive option. The ability to get a pay as you go SIM card in a country you are vacationing in or working in for a period of time is something that is not possible due the O2 Apple partnership. Of course, you can hack your phone, but if you want to be legit this is a big disadvantage!

Any thoughts are welcome

No more student discounts on iPods/iPhone.

I think the fair use policy is 1400 page limit a day

Roaming charges are subsidised by the included ITS subscription on the iPhone tariffs im not sure how much discount it provides but i guess its better than nothing

This might give an idea of how ITS affects roaming charges

 

[harveypooka]

I personally think you're mad to pay £269 for the bloody thing!

 

[redgaz26]

I personally think you're mad to pay £269 for the bloody thing!

tell us what you really think!!!!!!! lol

 

[Cloudane]

So the full(?) list of technical step downs from my current phone:

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• No MMS messages
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No MMS?! Yikes, that's basic. There should be a list somewhere of "Things the iPhone doesn't do that every other phone was doing in 1998".

Unlike video calling, I do actually use MMS sometimes.

 

[redgaz26]

No MMS?! Yikes, that's basic. There should be a list somewhere of "Things the iPhone doesn't do that every other phone was doing in 1998".

Unlike video calling, I do actually use MMS sometimes.

what is the problem with some people, if you don't like it don't buy it!!!!!
but stop moaning about it.

 

[daneoni]

I personally think you're mad to pay £269 for the bloody thing!

Some people pay as much as £700 for this or £4000+ for this glorified Nokia

 

[Nicolasdec]

Im in the same boat, and according to the 02 iPhone page, its fine for existing customers to switch. Im going to call 02 tmrw to make sure, but it looks like we all good!!

Can you please post it in the forums what o2 says.

 

[TurboSC]

It'll be the same as the AT&T deal... sooner or later they're going to unlock it for all the networks in UK.. just sit tight... at least now you can actually buy a phone in the store instead of off eBay.

 

[seedster2]

Some people pay as much as £700 for this or £4000+ for this glorified Nokia

The internals on the vertu are a sight to behold. It's made of the best components available. Also you are comparing a phone with complimentary concierge to an iphone.

I dont think a gold plated vertu is competing for the same market as an iphone - just like a Centurion card isn't competing with a Chase credit card.