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iPhone Launched in the UK on O2 Network

edesignuk said:
It's not just that, it's the whole agreement. Doesn't sit well with me, for many reasons.
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I really don't know what people were expecting - of course they were going to be premium prices for both the phone and the tariffs. Fair enough you don't like the agreement but it was never going to sit well with everyone.

In context what you actually get is not bad.

-Leemo
 
I've had my touch for a day now and everyone who is talking about cheaper tariff's and Nokia etc. are missing the point....
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What does the contract have to do with the hardware? Would the iPhone be worse if the contract was cheaper?

Nobody's denying that the iPhone is a marvellous piece of hardware. What we're querying is whether is has to be partnered with mandatory rip-off contracts.
 
Leemo said:
I really don't know what people were expecting - of course they were going to be premium prices for both the phone and the tariffs. Fair enough you don't like the agreement but it was never going to sit well with everyone.
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Clearly a lot of people were expecting better. If the £35 P/M had double the minutes and texts I'd be OK with it. Not amazed by their generosity by a long shot, but it would be palatable.
In context what you actually get is not bad.
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Each to their own, I disagree.
 
O2 site stated as below.

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To give everyone a chance, there'll be a limit of two iPhones per customer in-store and online. Oh, and we're afraid we can't accept cash.
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This means they only accept a solid bank account (with credit/debit card) to get a monthly pay. But what I heard from someone in USA, AT&T (NOT Apple) actually offered PAYG for those who don't have SSN(social security number) and credit history. Any American who heard same story can confirm this?

If what I heard is true, I guess we could ask O2 similar thing because O2 want to get as many customers as possible with this iPhone business. What do you think guys?
 
Leemo said:
I really don't know what people were expecting - of course they were going to be premium prices for both the phone and the tariffs. Fair enough you don't like the agreement but it was never going to sit well with everyone.

In context what you actually get is not bad.

-Leemo
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for those looking to replace their blackberries or those who use loads of mins this is not a good deal granted.
for me perfect, in my work i have a works phone, and use it how I like, the £35 tariff is ideal and with that unlimited browsing(to a point) I can't complain.
would like to see 02 to 02 calls free though or even iphone to iphone!
 
Leemo said:
I really don't know what people were expecting - of course they were going to be premium prices for both the phone and the tariffs. Fair enough you don't like the agreement but it was never going to sit well with everyone.

In context what you actually get is not bad.
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On reflection I think I agree. The EDGE coverage (30% come November) is the fly in the ointment for me. It might be the deal breaker yet. The release being so far away isn't much fun either.

The deals ain't cheap but just passable, each of the plans should be £10 less though.
 
anyone know anything about 02's insurance? I'm I right in saying at&t don't have any for the iphone, applecare is ok for certain things but what about theft or accidental damage?
 
emotion said:
Whilst you may have a point I think your anger should be directed towards O2 in this instance.
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Like I've said, I'm annoyed about the whole thing. It's easier to just generally blame Apple because they partnered with those twunts and their twuntish deal.

O2 + Apple = twunts right now.
 
Not!

sanford said:
I'd just like to know why the "training wheels for iPhone" iPod touch has the WiFi Music Store, obviously from the phone on display at the UK announcement the firmware is ready to go, but I'm still waiting in the States to get it for my iPhone.

It's probably they're trying to break anySIM with this update and that's holding up the overwhelming majority of stateside iPhone owners from getting features. Frankly I wish you yo-yos trying to figure out how to get an iPhone working on MetroPCS or Boost! Mobile would knock it off. It's only even one other carrier in the States you can use the iPhone with, their unlimited EDGE data plan costs twice as much than AT&T's, they don't even want you using iPhones on their stateside network, and you lose a lot of features dependent on AT&T service.

Knock it off, already. Take the deal or don't. Buy an iPod touch already, which gives you some of the features of iPhone over WiFi. But quit holding up the works because you won't pop 99 cents for a ringtone and you just have to use your iPhone with Tmobile, which as a long-time former Tmobile customer is no better or worse than AT&T.

I'd like my firmware update, please, instead of having to wait for features that are perfectly ready to go so Apple can break hacks for the iPhone.
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First of all Apple would NOT hold up the firmware to try and defeat the SIM crackers.. If i were to take a guess, when they're done with it, they'll release it along with a bunch of new features (MMS, video recording, etc ?) so it'll REALLY bring the pain to people who are using it on another network and think by just not updating the firmware they'll get by the "re-lock".

Besides, the vast majority of the SIM crackers are not doing it to use on the USA Tmobile. Obviously the target here is exporting the phone to Canada/Europe/Asia and using it on their networks.

But either way, don't blame the SIM crackers because you are too lazy to go *all* the way to the computer to download music from iTunes.
 
iBlue said:
Like I've said, I'm annoyed about the whole thing. It's easier to just generally blame Apple because they partnered with those twunts and their twuntish deal.

O2 + Apple = twunts right now.
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I'd save anger for things that actually matter, personally.

Life's too short....
 
The Cloud network ...

tjcampbell said:
It's great. I use it all the time and I look forward to not having to pay for it when I get my iPhone. I'm very excited!
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How good is the reception? The nearest hotspot to my work (where I'd want to use my iphone with the cloud) is 0.7 km away - I'm guessing that would be too far away to get a signal.

Are they good at expanding the network?
 
Here's how it's going to go down IMHO:

The complaining on here/other sites/in the press will continue until launch day.
There will be queues on launch day and a boatload of iPhones will be sold.
Once they get into the wild and other people see/try the phone, another boatload will be sold.
A large number of those currently complaining will eventually buy an iPhone.

My evidence: that's pretty much how it happened in the USA.

We'll see. ;)
 
metoo6000 said:
O2 site stated as below.

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To give everyone a chance, there'll be a limit of two iPhones per customer in-store and online. Oh, and we're afraid we can't accept cash. ...
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That has to be illegal - is you money not legal tender?
 
j26 said:
That has to be illegal - is you money not legal tender?
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Actually, a shop is under no obligation to sell you anything in the UK - having the item there is just an "invitation to treat" or something like that (IANAL) and they don't have to accept your offer to buy. From wikipedia:

"In England and Wales, banknotes issued by the Bank of England are legal tender, meaning that they should be accepted in payment of a debt; they do not have to be accepted, but the debtor has a good defence in law against being sued for non-payment of that debt. In Scotland and Northern Ireland, no banknotes are legal tender, and each bank which issues banknotes does so in the form of its own promissory notes. In the Channel Islands and Isle of Man the local variations on the banknotes are legal tender in their respective jurisdiction.
Scottish, Northern Irish, Channel Islands and Manx notes are sometimes rejected by shops when used in England. British shopkeepers can choose to reject any payment, even if it would be legal tender in that jurisdiction, because no debt exists when the offer of payment is made at the same time as the offer of goods or services. When settling a restaurant bill after consuming the meal, or other debt the laws of legal tender do apply, but usually any reasonable method of settling the debt (such as credit card or cheque) will be accepted."
 
FiveEcco said:
Maybe they dont want so much money in the store.
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Doesn't matter - if you make a deal with someone (the shop) and produce legal tender to pay, it must be accepted. Maybe they've gotten around that by specifying in advance that they won't accept cash, but I'm not too sure whether that would fly.


As an aside, legal tender is limited to 50 coins in Ireland, ever since the electricity company jacked up prices and people protested by paying their bills in pennies. Not sure what the UK position is though.
 
Come on people relax if you like it get one if not don't. Its really not a big deal.

Personally I wouldn't get one as I just won't be able to use the internet on EDGE if it only covers 30% of the UK.

It seems like 02 will be going backwards though in getting EDGE(an obslete in most peoples eyes network)to more than 30% of you and it will only be needed for less than a year when the 3G version is out. ummm... Sounds an expensive excercise???

The more you look at it the iphone only makes sense in the US where EDGE is the everywhere. For the rest of the world they have to have 3G.

Surely they can make the 3G version a bit thicker and give it a bigger battery?

Anyway good on apple at least you ahve the choice as here in OZ its touch or nothing. Hope it will have 3G by the time it comes here though..
 
alFR said:
Actually, a shop is under no obligation to sell you anything in the UK - having the item there is just an "invitation to treat" or something like that (IANAL) and they don't have to accept your offer to buy. From wikipedia:

"In England and Wales, banknotes issued by the Bank of England are legal tender, meaning that they should be accepted in payment of a debt; they do not have to be accepted, but the debtor has a good defence in law against being sued for non-payment of that debt. In Scotland and Northern Ireland, no banknotes are legal tender, and each bank which issues banknotes does so in the form of its own promissory notes. In the Channel Islands and Isle of Man the local variations on the banknotes are legal tender in their respective jurisdiction.
Scottish, Northern Irish, Channel Islands and Manx notes are sometimes rejected by shops when used in England. British shopkeepers can choose to reject any payment, even if it would be legal tender in that jurisdiction, because no debt exists when the offer of payment is made at the same time as the offer of goods or services. When settling a restaurant bill after consuming the meal, or other debt the laws of legal tender do apply, but usually any reasonable method of settling the debt (such as credit card or cheque) will be accepted."
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I'm talking about once the deal is made - i.e. you walk up to the counter and say "I'd like this iPhone please" and the cashier scans it through. At that point an enforceable contract is in place, and tender applies, so you'd be within your rights to fire the notes at them and walk away. You've paid the debt, so you can't be sued for non-payment
 
redgaz26 said:
what is the problem with some people, if you don't like it don't buy it!!!!!
but stop moaning about it.
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I don't intend to... :rolleyes:

I'm not moaning, I'm just saying that MMS is a pretty basic thing to miss off. It's an opinion. If you don't like it, ignore it or go somewhere else.
 
j26 said:
I'm talking about once the deal is made - i.e. you walk up to the counter and say "I'd like this iPhone please" and the cashier scans it through. At that point an enforceable contract is in place, and tender applies, so you'd be within your rights to fire the notes at them and walk away. You've paid the debt, so you can't be sued for non-payment
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The deal is not made until you go to the till and say "here is £269" and they accept it. You make the offer of £269 for the iPhone, and they then choose whether they want to accept it or not. They are within their right to say I refuse to accept this offer, because you could only offer with cash. Scanning it in or the type of tender is irrelevant.
 
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