capamac
macrumors 6502a
Yeah I agree. iPhone is Mercedes C-class. Low/mid Android are Toyota Corollas. Both will get you from point A to B. :^)
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Le_Chiffre
macrumors 6502
Getting form point a to point b in corals is very different than getting from point a to point b in a Porsche or Ferrari. 😂
It looks like a iOS clone, which makes it better than Android…
Most of them ditching ultra are because of the unsustainable costs to make a phone at least affordable to the average consumer market. Apple will sink their own ship when the iPhone 18 series inevitably gets a price increase in september.
I mean animations are way smoother and more detailed than IOS.
Just an example from a creator I know:
Tagbert
macrumors 604
Le_Chiffre
macrumors 6502
That’s true for budget and midrange Android phones or more commonly referred to as ewaste.
The problem with flagships or ultras by Android oems is that there just aren’t enough demand for them. Apple dominates that segment.
Consumers would rather spend that much on Apple iPhones and not Android oems.
The top five richest countries by nominal GDP per capita are:
- Liechtenstein: $226,809
- Luxembourg: $158,733
- Ireland: $140,186
- Switzerland: $126,177
- Iceland: $110,048
Somehow most of them use iOS more, so your thesis seems to be correct.
The problem of Android is the software. Android is clunky, ugly and feels cheap. It seems to be really difficult to make a nice looking operating system, that doesn’t look like it was designed by a 14 year old…
capamac
macrumors 6502a
$2,448 for financed, carrier-tied iPhone vs $740 for A17 (36 months for both). That's a $1,708 difference. For a _phone_.
I paid like thirty bucks for my first landline in the 90s and that thing lasted 15 years at least.
iPhone drops from $2,448 to $1,340 if you pay full price for the iPhone, however, and use Mint's $15/month plan.
The financing + carrier lock-in is not a good value.
To get the best value from iPhone it's mandatory to pay full price for the phone at time of purchase and to pay for a year of Mint up front.
You can get an iPhone 17 for €750 in Germany right now. While Germany is extremely expensive when it comes to carriers compared to other European countries, you can get 30GB of 5g internet and unlimited calls/SMS for €8 a month. That’s not expensive. If you’re really lucky you can sometimes even get an iPhone with a carrier plan for just the retail price of the iPhone making the plan basically free, but that’s rare. I remember seeing deals for the iPhone 16e totaling €650 over 24 months with unlimited calls/SMS and 50GB of 5g/month. I agree that $2500 for an iPhone is very expensive. I would never spend that much on a phone.
1) No, not always, It just depends which OEM your going to. I mean I've had phones like the CMF phone 1 which cost £250 and it was relatively good and the only reasons why I moved to a different phone was just small inconveniences building up (lack of NFC, the OS getting to boring to use everyday and general direction of the parent company)
2) Apple mainly dominates in the general consumer market and is widely consider the 'safer' choice. The 'safer' choice is the exact problem I'm having in liking iPhone as when you look beyond the market hype, each iPhone upgrade is relatively tame compared to the andriod market and when smaller andriod brands do most of the innovative new camera, chip etc... its just shrugged off until the big 3 come, so why should they invest in ultra's?
3) just my opinion but there is no incentive for an iPhone, Andriod OEM variety itself keeps me locked into Andriod. if i want to go privacy, I'll buy a pixel and root grapheneOS, I'll get a gaming phone and measure flagship chip performance and daily it (like I do now) with no problem, I'll get a cameraphone like a vivo,oppo,xiaomi and I'll take pictures and video and guess what, I'll also daily it as my main phone. iPhone at this point is just a status symbol until they bring an actually groundbreaking feature but on the other hand the average person will feels like the iPhone is a massive upgrade.
Le_Chiffre
macrumors 6502
Budget and midrange Android phones cannot be sustained due to the increase in memory and storage price increases. Nothing included.
If oems don’t raise prices they will go out of business.
capamac
macrumors 6502a
I find that sort of animation to be superfluous and cartoonish. It's also one reason I disliked macOS Tahoe and have stayed with Sequoia instead. Not real crazy about silly stuff.
TruthAboveAllElse
macrumors 6502a
A lot of plans include credits for the same amount as the charge for the phone. And a lot of people with those plans have grandfathered in free lines or old price locks.
I didn't used to mind Android until I got the stellar iPhone 13. Now, I can't imagine using an Android again. Battery life is excellent even though it's over 4 years old, the screen barely has any scratches, it's still fast and doesn't get too hot unlike the Androids I've had over the years until then. Meanwhile, both my Android TVs are such garbage that I had to plug in an Apple TV just for the experience to be bearable.
Abazigal
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I feel like there is a fundamental disconnect between the concepts of "market share" and "usage share".
We know that iPhone users generally have more spending power, because the people who can afford them tend to come from more developed / affluent regions. This means that iPhone users are also more likely to possess the disposable income to buy accessories like the Apple Watch, AirPods, apps etc, and the end result is that Apple tends to command the lion's share of profits in each of their respective markets.
I think that for Apple, this is a far preferable arrangement compared to profitless market share.
Tagbert
macrumors 604
Those numbers also include the phone service and the lower price was a special deal for the service from an MVNO. Those were cherry picked numbers and not a very good comparison. If you want to compare deals between carriers, those numbers are relevent but it isn’t really what this article is about which is about Apple no longer offering a special financing deal subsidized by carriers.
Just goes to show you that talent at the upper leadership levels is rare. Blackberry (RIM) had an opportunity to capitalize off the iPhone launch, but failed. So did Microsoft. Both companies had egos bigger than their talent.
WebHead
macrumors 6502a
Hoping OpenAI nail their devices with the help of Jony Ive (and maybe Apple trade secrets 😏). I've always been willing to switch from Apple if there was a better option, so far there hasn't been.
Sosab123
macrumors 6502
What many android users do not understand is that Apple has created a single identity.
Android has many identities.
If I walk into coffee shop, I gurantee you in some kind of way, everyone who it utilizing an Apple product for their visit I can interact with or have something in common with. It just comes with the Apple ecosystem.
Android users have the power, sure, they have the freedom, yes, they have the technology, certainly, and the fanciness of iPhone but they do not have the connectivity, the community, what makes communication important to begin with a desire to interact with another.
With an Apple device, you are someone, but anything else, you are simply anyone to everyone.
I hope more people join Apple.
Android has many identities.
If I walk into coffee shop, I gurantee you in some kind of way, everyone who it utilizing an Apple product for their visit I can interact with or have something in common with. It just comes with the Apple ecosystem.
Android users have the power, sure, they have the freedom, yes, they have the technology, certainly, and the fanciness of iPhone but they do not have the connectivity, the community, what makes communication important to begin with a desire to interact with another.
With an Apple device, you are someone, but anything else, you are simply anyone to everyone.
I hope more people join Apple.
1ppl3
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Ps: same as Apple “Trade in” - ohh I bought a new iPhone via Trade in program (sold 16 and bought 17). No my friend, your iPhone 16 has been rented by you for 1 year.
And cost of your renting program:
Price a new iPhone 16 which is starts from ($699/128GB) minus price of trade in price, which for iPhone 16 is $460 ….
Your one-year use of an iPhone that you don't own costs $239
“You will own nothing and will be happy”
Just a reminder that CIRP doesn’t canvas more than 1,000 folks at best. So, they may be truthful in communicating what their numbers say, they’re just never ever good numbers to start with.
At the time, I had a work Windows phone, partner had an iPhone, and I had both Android and iPhone personal phones.
What I hated was using three different satnav/map apps. Ended up using what has now become HereWeGo - which ran on all three and one of the few on Windows phones.
I'd likely be happy on a third-party phone and OS. Especially if it were as open as possible. But lack of apps is critical.
Remember some apps we have no choice over - like UK's NHS apps. If they do not produce a version which works on some open OS, we can't use them. And no other apps do the same job. (In some areas, alternatives can replace some of the facilities.) In that particular case, I can do quite a lot on a browser-based interface - but not everything!