Abazigal
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but how about Apple loyalty to their customers?
My Apple TV from 2013 continues to mirror my iPad without a hitch. Not bad for longevity.

but how about Apple loyalty to their customers?

I am surprised with all the anti-capitalism and eat the rich movements. You would figure these folks would not use a product from one of the most greedy capitalist companies in the world.
Graphene OSHarmonyOS?
Windows phone?
Blackberry?
You know you don’t NEED Apple, right? Why don’t you buy a Fairphone instead? Or you also CAN live without a smartphone. But you prefer the comfort a smartphone allows…
Ohh no wayApple and Tesla have at least one thing in common, high loyalty rates. Tesla leads US brand loyalty at about 60%.
It’s Android-basedGraphene OS
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GrapheneOS: the private and secure mobile OS
GrapheneOS is a security and privacy focused mobile OS with Android app compatibility.grapheneos.org
Bring back WebOS!
The phones aren't free, just financed. For example just checked Verizon: iPhone 17 comes to $68 per month for 36 months with their "simple" plan. That's $2,448 for an $800 iPhone.
In 2026 you cannot live without a smartphone. Even for older people, it is becoming increasingly difficult to accomplish basic tasks without relying on a smartphone or a relative who owns one, because so much of society relies on them.You know you don’t NEED Apple, right? Why don’t you buy a Fairphone instead? Or you also CAN live without a smartphone. But you prefer the comfort a smartphone allows…
iPhone 6 has entered the chat.I’ve never regretted buying any of my Apple products but have certainly regretted buying things from the competition.
At the time, I had a work Windows phone, partner had an iPhone, and I had both Android and iPhone personal phones.
What I hated was using three different satnav/map apps. Ended up using what has now become HereWeGo - which ran on all three and one of the few on Windows phones.
I'd likely be happy on a third-party phone and OS. Especially if it were as open as possible. But lack of apps is critical tor emember some apps we have no choice over - like UK's NHS apps. If they do not produce a version which works on some open OS, we can't use them. And no other apps do the same job. (In some areas, alternatives can replace some of the facilities.) In that particular case, I can do quite a lot on a browser-based interface - but not everything
It is but its de-googled which is one of it's appealsIt’s Android-based
same with android just that its in a umbrella community with multiple different brands and different people who in itself support andriod and its roots and its even better when you can chat to people across communities and actually be interested in the device they own, not just as another status symbol that people flex online.What many android users do not understand is that Apple has created a single identity.
Android has many identities.
If I walk into coffee shop, I gurantee you in some kind of way, everyone who it utilizing an Apple product for their visit I can interact with or have something in common with. It just comes with the Apple ecosystem.
there many ways to communicate with other people, not just imessage and the apple ecosystem and plus its getting increasingly better to communicate between iPhone and andriod like RCS and iphone to android airdrop support.Android users have the power, sure, they have the freedom, yes, they have the technology, certainly, and the fanciness of iPhone but they do not have the connectivity, the community, what makes communication important to begin with a desire to interact with another.
Nope, I have had iphone users come upto me in past asking what spinning liquid at the back of my redmagic 11 pro is (its liquid cooling that is to cool down the battery and act like a cooling solution when a Peltier cooler is put at the back) and what is name of the brand. iPhone is more seen as a handshake interaction but apple users don't really reflect the technology that goes into the phone in contrast to android users.With an Apple device, you are someone, but anything else, you are simply anyone to everyone.
Doesn't show anything spectacular looks like usual iOS smoothness on my iPhone.I mean animations are way smoother and more detailed than IOS.
Just an example from a creator I know:
same with android just that its in a umbrella community with multiple different brands and different people who in itself support andriod and its roots and its even better when you can chat to people across communities and actually be interested in the device they own, not just as another status symbol that people flex online.
there many ways to communicate with other people, not just imessage and the apple ecosystem and plus its getting increasingly better to communicate between iPhone and andriod like RCS and iphone to android airdrop support.
Nope, I have had iphone users come upto me in past asking what spinning liquid at the back of my redmagic 11 pro is (its liquid cooling that is to cool down the battery and act like a cooling solution when a Peltier cooler is put at the back) and what is name of the brand. iPhone is more seen as a handshake interaction but apple users don't really reflect the technology that goes into the phone in contrast to android users.
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GrapheneOS: the private and secure mobile OS
GrapheneOS is a security and privacy focused mobile OS with Android app compatibility.grapheneos.org
and so? it doesn't make a difference tbh.About 8-9 years old with less than 400k users. 😂
It’s for one month, “in February 2026.” Your statement was “Tesla leads,” which is not true. Stop doing manipulation… I was showing you statistics for the entire 2025 year…
Stop changing the narrative. I showed Tesla satisfaction data as of February 2026 and sales in 2026. Pick your dataset that supports your debating point. Your data is as of 2025. Satisfaction data is a point in time while the sales presented are cumulative.It’s for one month, “in February 2026.” Your statement was “Tesla leads,” which is not true. Stop doing manipulation… I was showing you statistics for the entire 2025 year…
You can say “Tesla leads” only when you will have statistics for the whole current year…
I don't understand. Your graphic has nothing to do with manufacturer brand loyalty, but rather highest selling individual car models. It doesn't address the issue you were attacking in the original post. Don't get me wrong, I intensely dislike Tesla and Elon Musk, but the issue is manufacturer brand loyalty.Ohh no way
I don't understand. Your graphic has nothing to do with manufacturer brand loyalty, but rather highest selling individual car models. It doesn't address the issue you were attacking in the original post. Don't get me wrong, I intensely dislike Tesla and Elon Musk, but the issue is manufacturer brand loyalty.
Stop changing the narrative. I showed Tesla satisfaction data as of February 2026 and sales in 2026. Pick your dataset that supports your debating point. Your data is as of 2025. Satisfaction data is a point in time while the sales presented are cumulative.
Ecosystems aren't really a prison though. They just offer extra conveniences that are very attractive and compelling. One can leave at anytime, but must just give up those conveniences (which they never would have had without the ecosystem). So the only thing compelling one to stay in an ecosystem is one's desire for convenience.I have no reason to use iPhone anyways, I like the variety of things that I can do on android and the many unique features when switching from brand to brand. Plus I have no intention of sliding myself into an ecosystem despite having a macbook.
If it feels like a prison, I'm moving out.