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iPhone Named World's Most Popular Smartphone Last Year

fourthtunz said:
Apple is making 94% of all the profit in cell phones sales..maybe the android makers are the ones you should be worried about?
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If by 94% you actually meant 79%, then you're right. 79% is nothing to sneeze at. It needs no embellishment. It stands on it's own merits.

On topic: Not sure how this should surprise anyone. As @citysnaps pointed out there are 24K Android devices from 1300 vendors. Even is we conservatively estimate a quarter of those devices are phones that's still 6K phones from 325 vendors (napkin math just to make a point).
 
Jim Lahey said:
I'm not surprised. They are immaculately engineered devices with superb software, and in my experience the services have improved tenfold in the last 18 months.
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True to the point. The iPhone has been stomped on for the last three are saying it's old, boring and ugly. But as a whole, it's so well constructed and made to last. I agree that there are other manufacturers Ahead of Apple in certain categories. But the iPhone is a great piece of hardware.
 
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Another paid marketing disguised as research much like JD Edwards. You can pay these marketing firms to claim your company is #1 at anything.
 
paulryp said:
it might be the most popular but its definitely inferior to my S7 edge :)
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If Samsung had the balls to upgrade their phones without carrier intervention I would have agreed. Samsung's updating policy has gotten worse, not better. Apple is number one when it comes to keeping their gadgets up to date and that matters the most to me at this stage.
 
LordVic said:
It completely misses the fact...

It also completely misses the fact...
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It *ALSO* completely misses the fact that these are sales for calendar year 2016, so the iPhone 6 models were on sale for the entire 12 months of the year, whereas the iPhone 7 models were only shipping for ~3 months!
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MH01 said:
How is shipped , sold?

By that definition anything in a retail store is sold.
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If Apple ships 1 million devices to Best Buy, those don't show up as "sold" until Best Buy sells them to a customer. If Samsung ships 1 million devices to Best Buy, they count that product as sold even if they are just sitting in BB's warehouse. It comes down to how the corporate accounting teams track and define "sales".
 
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Jim Lahey said:
I'm not surprised. They are immaculately engineered devices with superb software, and in my experience the services have improved tenfold in the last 18 months.
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That is exactly what I think every time the digitiser on my iPhone 7 locks up or the software keyboard lingers on screen until I lock it.

Apple Music is still comically bad too.
 
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uberzephyr said:
It *ALSO* completely misses the fact that these are sales for calendar year 2016, so the iPhone 6 models were on sale for the entire 12 months of the year, whereas the iPhone 7 models were only shipping for ~3 months!
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If Apple ships 1 million devices to Best Buy, those don't show up as "sold" until Best Buy sells them to a customer. If Samsung ships 1 million devices to Best Buy, they count that product as sold even if they are just sitting in BB's warehouse. It comes down to how the corporate accounting teams track and define "sales".
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Where are you referring to them showing up as sold?

For Apple's purposes, typically they are counted as sales when they are shipped to Best Buy. Apple reports sell-in numbers, though it often also gives sell-through numbers (or channel inventory changes which allow us to calculate sell-through numbers) during conference calls. Apple uses much the same accounting methods as many others do when it comes to recognizing revenues.

There are important differences for Apple as compared to some others when it comes to how well shipped numbers (i.e. sell-in) track with sold numbers (i.e. sell-through). For one thing, Apple sells quite a bit of product directly to consumers. Those sales aren't counted until the products are received by the consumers. For another, Apple doesn't tend to have huge channel inventory swings. It builds or reduces channel inventory from quarter to quarter based on expected demand going forward. And sometimes it oversupplies during a quarter and needs to unwind that in subsequent quarters, or sometimes it undersupplies during a quarter and has to make up channel inventory in subsequent quarters. But it usually doesn't have to make major adjustments because, e.g., too much product is sitting on shelves not selling.
 
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69Mustang said:
If by 94% you actually meant 79%, then you're right. 79% is nothing to sneeze at. It needs no embellishment. It stands on it's own merits.

On topic: Not sure how this should surprise anyone. As @citysnaps pointed out there are 24K Android devices from 1300 vendors. Even is we conservatively estimate a quarter of those devices are phones that's still 6K phones from 325 vendors (napkin math just to make a point).
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Nope, wasn't sure but it was 90+ %
Heres one"http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/23/appl...nt-of-global-smartphone-profits-research.html
 
fourthtunz said:
Nope, wasn't sure but it was 90+ %
Heres one"http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/23/appl...nt-of-global-smartphone-profits-research.html
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Read the 1st sentence in your source. That was only for the 3rd quarter. For the full year of 2016 it was 79%.
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paradox00 said:
These types of research notes have always relied on shipping numbers. Not everyone breaks out sales like Apple. Nor do they break it out by model.
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Apple breaks out sales just like everyone else. Apple just calls their shipped numbers "sold". Apple considers product sold when they ship it to their customers, the retailers. It's in their SEC filings. This is old news.
 
69Mustang said:
Read the 1st sentence in your source. That was only for the 3rd quarter. For the full year of 2016 it was 79%.
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Apple breaks out sales just like everyone else. Apple just calls their shipped numbers "sold". Apple considers product sold when they ship it to their customers, the retailers. It's in their SEC filings. This is old news.
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You're right with respect to shipping to third parties, but they also do a far greater percentage of direct sales (through online and Apple Stores) than the competition.
 
Anyone else think that the best looking camera on the most recent iPhones is the 6/6S model where the camera is deliberately not flush with the backing?
 
admob71 said:
So you agree that functionality and features equates to best, not just me then . Cool.
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No, I agree use cases equate to best. I was pointing out if you need to tow a load Ferrari stinks, but if your use case is driving round the track, than Ferrari is best.

However the f-150 will go around the track and the Ferrari can tow a load. Neither is tops in all areas on the spec sheet. The Ferrari will hold the value for a long time and is fairly coveted, the f-150 won't but is good as a hauler. Yet both move people and things.

So, those are not the words you "think " I said. Cool then?
 
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"Mission Accomplished" - Tim Cook.

Hey Tim, what about the Mac?

"I repeat, Mission Accomplished."
 
69Mustang said:
Read the 1st sentence in your source. That was only for the 3rd quarter. For the full year of 2016 it was 79%.

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Yeah, and that 3rd quarter of 2016 is the one for which Samsung reported only a tiny operating profit from its IM segment, which is the one that includes smartphones. For every other quarter over the last couple of years its operating profits were close to $2 billion (or more).

I also think Strategy Analytics estimate for Apple's smartphone operating profit for the third quarter was a little high. We don't really know, but based on what Apple has reported that $8.5 billion that Strategy Analytics estimated would imply that Apple only made around $1 billion in operating profit from about $12.4 billion in revenue from iPads, Macs, and other products.
 
I know some fanboy will shoot me down on this 1 but I'm sure I read some apple spiel about the most popular not necessarily being the best, things just wouldn't be normal without good old fashioned hypocrisy lol
 
paradox00 said:
You're right with respect to shipping to third parties, but they also do a far greater percentage of direct sales (through online and Apple Stores) than the competition.
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Yes, around 25% of Apple's sales are through its direct channels.
 
Carnegie said:
Yeah, and that 3rd quarter of 2016 is the one for which Samsung reported only a tiny operating profit from its IM segment, which is the one that includes smartphones. For every other quarter over the last couple of years its operating profits were close to $2 billion (or more).

I also think Strategy Analytics estimate for Apple's smartphone operating profit for the third quarter was a little high. We don't really know, but based on what Apple has reported that $8.5 billion that Strategy Analytics estimated would imply that Apple only made around $1 billion in operating profit from about $12.4 billion in revenue from iPads, Macs, and other products.
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Forgive me but I have no idea what your talking about or how it relates to what fourthtunz and I were discussing. How you managed to fit Samsung into it... yeah, I got nothin'. To recap, he claimed Apple got 94% of the smartphone profits from last year. They didn't. It was 79%. He replied with a source stating 90% for the 3rd quarter. The 3rd quarter does not encompass the entirety of 2016. Again, not really sure what your post is about.
 
69Mustang said:
Forgive me but I have no idea what your talking about or how it relates to what fourthtunz and I were discussing. How you managed to fit Samsung into it... yeah, I got nothin'. To recap, he claimed Apple got 94% of the smartphone profits from last year. They didn't. It was 79%. He replied with a source stating 90% for the 3rd quarter. The 3rd quarter does not encompass the entirety of 2016. Again, not really sure what your post is about.
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The reason Apple's share was, according to the Strategy Analytics estimates that his link referenced, so high for the third quarter was Samsung's profits were tiny for that quarter. That was in large part because of the Note 7 problem. As you suggest, for the whole year Apple's profit share wasn't as high. Most of the difference has to do with Samsung. For the whole year it made substantial profits, but if we look at only the third quarter it made almost none.

I was agreeing with you and providing the main reason for the difference between the number they offered (i.e. the 91% from their link) and the number you offered (79%).
 
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