What we need is for Congress to pass a law that requires cell carriers to allow connectivity to any cell phone that a consumer can buy anywhere. That's how it is in Japan, and they have some incredible handsets. That's what happened in the old days of land line telephones, when we were freed from having to rent phone sets from Ma Bell.
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iPhone on Verizon: 'A Decision That is Exclusively in Apple's Court'
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What we need is for Congress to pass a law that requires cell carriers to allow connectivity to any cell phone that a consumer can buy anywhere. That's how it is in Japan, and they have some incredible handsets. That's what happened in the old days of land line telephones, when we were freed from having to rent phone sets from Ma Bell.
So true, I doubt Jobs after all this will really want to jump on the bandwagon
Damn straight Verizon would be happy to have iPhone on its network! And probably would have if they didn't suffer from that big chip on their shoulder!! Just another carrier telling Apple "We've learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone," Ed Colligan said. "PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They're not going to just walk in.'"
In other news, unfortunately, because "There's a Map for that", the iPhone call Apple placed to Verizon was dropped in mid ring by its current carrier and therefore discussions and negotiations were never started!
Seriously, if they want the iPhone next year than they should have a freaking good coverage with LTE (and Apple has to build in support for the new LTE networks )
So I guess it than will be like this: GRPS, EDGE, UMTS, HDSPA, LTE and only the last one will work with Verizon and the others with.. well.. the rest of the world.
)So I guess it than will be like this: GRPS, EDGE, UMTS, HDSPA, LTE and only the last one will work with Verizon and the others with.. well.. the rest of the world.
Damn straight Verizon would be happy to have iPhone on its network! And probably would have if they didn't suffer from that big chip on their shoulder!! Just another carrier telling Apple "We've learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone," Ed Colligan said. "PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They're not going to just walk in.'"
In other news, unfortunately, because "There's a Map for that", the iPhone call Apple placed to Verizon was dropped in mid ring by its current carrier and therefore discussions and negotiations were never started!
Verizon has made more money without the iphone for the last 2 years than AT&T with the iphone. Verizon's share price has not drop as much as AT&T's share price.
It means that Verizon made the right call all along.
Kind of like how Apple dissed ATT by leaving then off of show slides?
Or like how Jobs used to make fun of Intel chips?
Verizon and ATT have the same rates for voice and data these days. Regular smartphone data is $30 on either one.
LTE is not based on GSM. It's new. However, many GSM and CDMA carriers have chosen it for 4G, and are running trials to make sure that their LTE implementation can fall back to their older protocol.
And, as long as LTE phones have to also contain a GSM or CDMA radio, that radio will most likely continue to be used for voice calls.
They may be willing to let Apple run its own store (would be pretty hard to change that at this point), but I do think they want a cut of every app download, and maybe other concessions like more remote control over the phone, ability to block any app from being installed if it competes with something they want to do, maybe app pricing controls. Whatever it is, I'll bet it's good for Verizon, and probably not so much for the consumer.
I think there is a difference between the LTE standard supporting "passing" a call to a CDMA standard tower and a single LTE chipset supporting handling both sides of that "pass". I strongly suspect that the first-gen LTE chipsets will support LTE alone and allow a second chip to take over for legacy nets, and then an evolved design will emerge combining LTE and CDMA in one, and LTE and GSM in another. Third gen is when you might see all three in one chip, but I don't see that as likely. There's more than just the chip that needs to be different to support CDMA and GSM: the antenna system, for instance, is rather different.
IMHO, if it were "that easy" to get GSM and CDMA in a single phone it would have been done already.
So, back to the point the majority of folks have been saying: when Verizon supports LTE Apple STILL will not support Verizon's CDMA network. And, of course, Verizon's main advantage right now is it's CDMA network, which is astounding in a good portion of the US. The same will not necessarily be true of its LTE network unless Verizon makes a major legacy-customer-pissing-off move to prioritize LTE signals in the CDMA/LTE shared bands (having the low-frequency CDMA bands in many major urban areas it the key "secret" ingredient to Verizon's success ... along with of course investing in the switching hardware etc to handle it).
In the end, Apple might start thinking about supporting Verizon when Verizon has made a 75% or greater transition to LTE, unless they decide that supporting CDMA for the handful of (large) markets is a good route forward.
Personally, I think Apple's more likely to end up deciding that having two versions of the iPhone (CDMA-compatible and GSM-compatible) makes more sense than just ceding a large chunk of the US market. That's what Verizon should be hoping for: that Apple sees the number of people that can not and will not buy an iPhone because it comes on crappy networks in the US. LTE is not likely to save them.
(Note that there's a good chance, on the other hand, that the marketing around the Verizon launch gives a lot of credit to LTE, if and when it happens ... but you'll know that wasn't the real reason the moment someone looks at the FTC numbers and sees that the Verizon phone and the AT&T phone have very different filings because they have very different radio hardware.)
Agreed. More to the point, BOTH companies (Apple and Verizon) made the "right" call. If Apple had given in to each of Verizon's requirements the mobile landscape would look significantly different today. I'm inclined to think we'd all be worse off for it.
Had Verizon "given in" to Apple's demands... well, again, I'm not sure why that ever would have happened... but... in some alternate world where Pre-iPhone, all carriers regularly bowed down and kissed the hem of Apple's robes... IF Verizon had "given in" to Apple' demands in return for exclusivity... AND then pledged to be more open... I'd imagine AT&T would be struggling horribly, and it would be putting a lot of marketing into its new "Google" phones. iPhone would have a much smaller presence on the global stage (limited overseas partners), and people would be jailbreaking iPhones from overseas to use on T-Mobile and AT&T.
~ CB
Verizon business model versus Apple
I was a Verizon customer for many years. The business model that Verizon has isn't compatible with Apple. Verizon likes to lock phone features off at their discretion and then either leave them locked or charge customers to enable. Apple has a more open model where they won't make a specific phone for a particular wireless provider. Wireless providers have enjoyed way too much control of phones and features. They are a provider. Just provide a service.
AT&T gave in and let Apple control the features and services. Verizon won't do that.
I was a Verizon customer for many years. The business model that Verizon has isn't compatible with Apple. Verizon likes to lock phone features off at their discretion and then either leave them locked or charge customers to enable. Apple has a more open model where they won't make a specific phone for a particular wireless provider. Wireless providers have enjoyed way too much control of phones and features. They are a provider. Just provide a service.
AT&T gave in and let Apple control the features and services. Verizon won't do that.
The important part of what Verizon would not give into was Apple's plan to not have a subsidy. Apple wanted the customer to pay the full price for the phone (most people seem to have forgotten that the first iPhone was priced at $599) and for the portion of the monthly revenue that normally goes to repaying the subsidy to go to Apple. Cingular agreed and that is why we have the iPhone on ATT today. Of course Verizon was correct...that idea did not work and the iPhone 3g had the terms changed back to the traditional cell phone model.
There is no good reason for Apple to say no to Verizon now.
Building a CDMA\LTE phone is not a challenge and is affordable. As noted many phone makers do this for phones that are to be given away.
Right! Thats just what we need. More government control of the private sector thus, your life. And, look what happened when they broke up Ma Bell. Prices didn't drop, they went up.
Actually, that's exactly what Verizon is doing. Android has it's own App store and the software experience is completely Google's design (thus the Google-Experience designation). We've seen the phone already, this is a fact. Please stop making things up and presenting them as facts.
I think you underestimate the amount of control Verizon wants to have over their devices (and the software on those devices).
Um, perhaps we should wait until this mythical device is actually on sale before we start saluting Verizon's newfound ability to cede control to others on their network?
Actually --- Apple made the wrong call because they insisted on full priced $600 iphone with a 2 year contract with revenue sharing. A model that quickly failed --- beginning with the quick $200 price drop, to dragging negotiations with UK, French and German carriers (and delaying European launch), to delaying full worldwide launch by a year (nobody else besides the original 4 carriers agreed on revenue sharing).
That's not even including the effects on Palm and RIM. Palm was teetering near death for the past few years --- if Apple went with Verizon and expanded worldwide quickly (i.e. no idiotic revenue sharing pipe dream), Palm would have been wiped out quickly. If Apple went with Verizon and there would have been no buy one get one free blackberry/verizon promotion, RIM would have been much weaker.
I still believe that initial price gouge and the too-soon $200 price drop was part of Apple's diabolical plan...
Completely false. Do some research before making such dumb claims.
Verizon insists that all phones an their network be locked down or hobbled with their own garbageware, and they use their huge network as leverage...or try to at least. This is obvious to anyone who's ever used Verizon. Apple is NOT going to play by those terms and they are extremely particular about the user's experience with the actual hardware.
Except that if you look at the latest Apple quarter, they get $640 per iphone sold. It was clearly a mistake on their initial business model.
hate to tell you this but you are wrong. Suggest you do research yourself.
the Blackberry Tour for example can use the Blackberry App Store or any other app store it wants.
The BB Tour has no GPS lock so any one can use the GPS on it.
On the Tour you can add your own ring tones.
Now there is no WiFi on any blackberry on Verzon but that is because no CDMA blackberry currently out has WiFi on it but some Verizon phones have WiFi.
In case you are wondering it is that way for all smart phones now on Verizon.
Verizon removed the GPS lock a while ago. Suggest you do your own research instead of take the chance to bash someone because they are not working with apple.
How much control do the have over their Blackberrys? They look the same as everyone else's. Same for all of the smartphones. They did at some points try to Lock GPS and not have wifi ...even that has gone by the wayside as customers have demanded it.
I can say with full confidence that a Verizon iphone would be everything we see now on ATT. Except that for me and many others we could use it as a phone ( and not have calls dropping) and we would not always have to worry if we have data coverage.
Great
this will certainly fire up the Verizon coming to iphone threads. looking forward too a 100 plus Verizon threads! well at least the MMS stuff has died down.
this will certainly fire up the Verizon coming to iphone threads.
looking forward too a 100 plus Verizon threads! well at least the MMS stuff has died down.All Spot on except there will soon be not one but two Blackberrys on Verizon with wiFi ....The Storm2 on the 28th and the new curve 2 some time soon.
The important point for everyone to understand is that for smartphones the days of Verizon limiting the phone are over.