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When Apple start selling development phones (as Google do), I'll be happy to have a phone dedicated to betas only. Until that time, I'm sure I'm not getting extra contracts just to test software out. (and all software currently submitted to the App Store has to be tested against 3.0 so there's not really a way around it apart from putting betas on the phone!)

There's always the iPod touch unless you're writing phone-specific software. There's also the first generation iPhone you can get on ebay with no contract. There's tons of ways to get development hardware. Come on man.
 
Relatively speaking, Apple betas are pretty stable. Hell, I will take them over a "released" version of any Microsoft product. Vista has been out for almost 2 years, and it still a beta in my opinion. A crappy one.
 
I was able to get it back by updating the ipcc file. However, I was only able to send MMS for about 5 minutes after I did the SIM swap trick back in beta 3. Since then, unsuccessful. I have a family plan but I never thought about the primary phone being an issue. Still haven't got tethering to work on Windows7 beta. Does MMS work continuously when the primary phone is not an iPhone?

I am able to get tethering to work on Windows 7 RC1 build 7100

you need itunes 8.2 final build http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/

also you may need to update your carrier ipcc file in itunes.

ps. however i am not using a beta OS, mine is a release canidate.


good luck.
 
Relatively speaking, Apple betas are pretty stable. Hell, I will take them over a "released" version of any Microsoft product. Vista has been out for almost 2 years, and it still a beta in my opinion. A crappy one.

come on that's not fair. my apple crashes more than my Vista and Windows 7 RC1 combined.

it is arrogant apple users like you that bash Windows that have no real evidence on Windows being unstable. Windows Vista is very stable and usable. I bet you don't even use it or have never used it before. How can you say it is a beta when in fact it is on SP1 and almost released for SP2. you seem uneducated and 13. Macs crash and are just as unstable as any OS. name me one OS that is perfect. I bet you cant.

you are a "racist" towards computers. you can't compare one computer to another let alone another OS against another. that is stupid.

I am a Mac user and a Windows user and honestly they're both great.
 
it is only free if someone you know has a developer account which they have paid 99 bucks for and/or apple has chosen you for the beta, which is rare. where do you get it for free legit download?

if you are a developer.

if you are not a developer, the beta is not for you. if you want to pay $99, you are paying to be in the developer program. If you are paying $99 to get the beta, that is a choice that you are making. it is not like the beta is free to developers and $99 to non developers; it is free, only available to developers.
 
I posted this in the Push Notification Wrap Up thread but, it would probably be better here:

So I got to thinking.... bear with me here.

Last year with the introduction of the SDK and 2.0 with the App Store was probably a huge project for Apple to take on. They had to overhaul the system to make use of third party app installs and code signing and all that crap. I'm thinking that 3.0 may be ready earlier this year because they already have the base system running pretty smooth and they're just basically adding on features or enabling features. Maybe the 2.x-3.0 transition is turning out to be easier than 1.x-2.x. Anyone with me?
 
That is one of the least intelligent things I've read on this forum.

haha. he doesnt know how to use the word prejudice or bias.

i dont think anyone uses a color computer because they think that the other color is bad. Or: i dont like macbooks because i think an asian person made it. japanese people attacked pearl harbor. they are asian.
 
if you are a developer.

if you are not a developer, the beta is not for you. if you want to pay $99, you are paying to be in the developer program. If you are paying $99 to get the beta, that is a choice that you are making. it is not like the beta is free to developers and $99 to non developers; it is free, only available to developers.

then it's not really free.
 
then it's not really free.

yes it is really free. apple only released it to developers.

if you are not a developer, apple did not release it to you. it is not an open beta.

explain how the beta costs money to those that apple released it to and i will concede that it is not free.
 
yes it is really free. apple only released it to developers.

if you are not a developer, apple did not release it to you. it is not an open beta.

explain how the beta costs money to those that apple released it to and i will concede that it is not free.

If you're a developer, you paid $99. Therefore, being a developer is not free... so therefore, the beta isn't free. However, if you were already a developer, then the 3.0 beta seems free but you still had to pay $99 last year.
 
If you're a developer, you paid $99. Therefore, being a developer is not free... so therefore, the beta isn't free. However, if you were already a developer, then the 3.0 beta seems free but you still had to pay $99 last year.

you are paying $99 to be a developer, not to download a beta.
 
If you're a developer, you paid $99. Therefore, being a developer is not free... so therefore, the beta isn't free. However, if you were already a developer, then the 3.0 beta seems free but you still had to pay $99 last year.

Your logic is wrong. I'm a developer, have been since day 1 and will continue to be one so to me anything Apple gives me is free. If the beta was not free I would have to pay an additional fee which I don't have to do. I'm not paying for the beta I'm paying for the developers account which has nothing to do with the beta besides they allow developers to download the latest version for testing.
 
if apple was taking the position of coming out and stating that you should join the dev program and try our new beta, then i could justify that the beta isnt free.

the beta is free to developers. it isnt the sole reason to become a developer. the beta was not released to non developers.

if you are a developer, it is a free download.

if you are not a developer, you can't download it.

it is disingenuous to say that apple charges for the beta, when they do not
 
if apple was taking the position of coming out and stating that you should join the dev program and try our new beta, then i could justify that the beta isnt free.

the beta is free to developers. it isnt the sole reason to become a developer. the beta was not released to non developers.

if you are a developer, it is a free download.

if you are not a developer, you can't download it.

it is disingenuous to say that apple charges for the beta, when they do not

I hate to say this in accounting terms it very much is not free. As you have to pay a subscription to become a Dev it is an added benefit and could be classified as a Soft Dollar redemption.

If for example you look at contract phones compaired with prepay... with pre pay phones you pay more for the phone than with a contract phone and you could say in your speak that the phone company is giving you a free phone however in reality you are paying for that benefit.
 
I hate to say this in accounting terms it very much is not free. As you have to pay a subscription to become a Dev it is an added benefit and could be classified as a Soft Dollar redemption.

If for example you look at contract phones compaired with prepay... with pre pay phones you pay more for the phone than with a contract phone and you could say in your speak that the phone company is giving you a free phone however in reality you are paying for that benefit.

getting a subsidized phone versus an unsubsidized phone is a little different. the beta is not offered to non developers. an unsubsidized phone is offered to non subscribers at a higher price.

i see apple reserving the beta to developers as a way to minimize customer support claims. the people that are in the dev program are generally more technically aware of ways to fix simple problems with software and restore their phones to a pre-beta state in case something goes wrong with a beta release. i also think that developers would be able to provide more accurate and detailed reports of bugs and problems that they encounter with the software. given the choice, i would take quality information over quantity
 
I think you're exactly right. They don't want us to spoil all the surprises before the keynote you know. We'll get a beta 6 on the same day as WWDC after the keynote. Then they'll release 3.0 in July. I really, really bet this is what will happen.

I agree this seems feasible based on previous releases but then why release an iTunes compatibility update now? At least 4 weeks early if your theory is correct.
 
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