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I really hope these are true. I love my 3GS and use it all the time, but my friend just got an HTC Hero and there are some things about Android that are just better. I'm really hoping they improve the lock screen and let us add some sort of widgets, or at least more notifications (More than just the last text or push message).

I can live without multitasking on my phone, but there are a few situations in which it would be useful.

Also I have 11 pages of apps because as a developer I like to see what other devs are doing. So a better way to get to apps other than spotlight and flipping through all the pages would be nice.

I'm also hoping they release a beta version to developers on the 27th. That would be awesome.

you know you can fix all that with jailbreaking.. if you like using your iphone jailbreak it and add a whole new world of features
 
wait... so with this update, it'll almost be as good as my jailbroken phone now? Please. I'm just waiting for the new phone release.
 
Yeah, I'm not going to read 8 pages but I'm willing to wager that list bit of info probably means OTA syncing of contacts etc. Would be pretty awesome, especially if it doesn't require MobileMe.
 
There are many things to improve, but what I'm really envy of android users is their integrated IM & Mail software. You can be online in your chat and receive mails no matter you do in foreground.
 
...anyone still hoping for a full Mac OS X running on the iSlate is going to be disappointed then.

What if it ran iPhone OS like skin/theme when mobile, and Full OSX when docked and used with a bluetooth keyboard?

I'm just sayin'
 
Not exciting

I'm not going to be getting excited about this at all since it seems like everything they're including are features that should have been present from day 1.

-Multi-touch gestures - (Apple long touted the iPhone as multi-touch, but didn't make use of it besides a few DUAL-TOUCH features. IE, how many Apple apps do you use more than TWO fingers?)
-Improved UI - (Perhaps dynamic icons? Will it no longer be permanently 10:15 and 73°? The calendar app has long been able to update it's icon with the current date, why not make this a standard option for ALL apps!?)
-Background/multi-tasks - (still will be limited though, so no suprise. Par for :apple:. I want to be able to run Undercover in the background at all times.)
-Syncing of calendars and contact apps? - (Vague. What does this mean, Apple? More SDK options for devs? Wireless syncing (bluetooth, 2/3G, Wifi)? Auto syncing of calendars and contacts with online accounts? Ability to setup multiple Exchange account? What?!)
 
I seriously doubt this update will magically make all apps multitask - Apple likes much more control than that, and they don't like the user experience to be compromised by having to manage background processes etc. If I were Apple, I would do it like this:


1. Apps would have to be specifically developed and submitted to the app store to get "permission" to multitask. If an app did not need real multitasking (e.g. if it can just "save state" on quitting) it would be rejected.

2. Clever APIs would minimise the need for real multitasking (e.g. a Calendar API that allows apps to issue notifications at a predetermined time).

3. Apps could have a secondary "mini-app" for multitasking purposes (e.g. a music streaming app would have the bare minimum for music streaming running in the background, then open up the full app when it is selected again).

4. Apps would be placed in categories; for example, if you open an app that plays audio, any audio app already running would quit.

5. There would be some provision for the OS to pre-emptively save the state of an app when quitting, again, to 'simulate' multitasking.


These are, of course, back-of-an-envelope ideas from a non-programmer, but my point is that there are all sorts of ways to get the *effect* of multitasking without having to go the whole hog (push notifications achieved that for some apps already - I am just predicting they will go further).

Yikes! Background processes are not the same thing as multitasking. Multitasking is when multiple apps are open at once. Background processing is when an app continues to run even when it is closed by the user. This is when a task manager is required to make sure apps that have been "exited" really stop running.

You can implement multitasking (for any app) without implementing background processes. A process manager is not necessary - only a simple way to switch between open apps (like Safari pages, for example).

1) The vast majority of apps do not use much processing (or battery) power while they are idle, so there is no need to "clear" an app for multitasking.

2) Actually, this is needed in addition to multitasking, not as a replacement. Apps should really be able to update their status without launching them or keeping them open for long periods of time. Take, for example, a task managing application. It would be nice for the phone to automatically notify for tasks that are due and update badge icons accordingly. As it is now (and would be with only multitasking implemented), the app must be launched in which case tasks can be missed entirely.

3) This is also not really necessary as as the only difference would be the rendering of graphical elements, which idle apps would rarely do. There are exceptions, such as Pandora, which would update album art, but that would be a drop in the bucket compared to streaming audio.

4) Something to that effect; it certainly is senseless to run the iPod and Pandora or Video simultaneously.

5) This is how the OS already behaves. It's just a poor substitute to, as you say, simulate multitasking. The thing is, multitasking adds almost no overhead to the processor. As long as there is enough RAM, there is no reason not to implement full multitasking.
 
Only good if it works on original iPhone. I don't care how old it is now.

Apple is going to put the phones/ipods on a similar treadmill that Macs are on. It hasn't been apparent because the phones are relatively 'young' (there is no long trail of legacy hardware).

They dumped the PPC folks with Snow Leopard and they appear to ready to dump the original iPhone with iPhoneOS 4.0. It was only a matter of time until they do (even if it doesn't happen this time). At the 3-4 year window mark they will start to throw your hardware under the bus as they roll forward. Hopefully, you'll get some security upgrades, but they'll start doing product differentiation by not backporting features.
 
I do that all the time. Just jailbreak your phone and install Backgrounder. Add ProSwitcher if you want to have coverflow-like switching between multitasking apps.

Honestly, jailbreaking is so easy and "safe" these days I don't understand why anyone with your type of complaint doesn't do it.

you know you can fix all that with jailbreaking.. if you like using your iphone jailbreak it and add a whole new world of features

It's interesting that the Android fans trumpet the infinite hackability of Android without acknowledging that the iPhone is just as hackable with a quick and easy jailbreak. Apple disapproves, Google looks the other way, but the end result is the same.

So you get the flexibility of Android with the finely honed UI polish of the iPhone OS. Seems the iPhone has a serious advantage in this regard.
 
The only reason i'll be happy about multi-tasking is to shut the anti-iPhone people up. Otherwise, i don't care at all about it.
 
I'd love to see folders, so I could have my main screen have folders for games, a folder for I.M. Apps, a folder for internet shortcuts, Media apps, and whatever else I want. Swiping through a bunch of screens feels cumbersome at times.

Folders, folders, folders!
 
The new GAAP rules just made it so that you can hold back reporting a smaller amount of revenue; they didn't didn't actually say that you don't have to hold back any at all. Clearly, going forward, any new sales can take advantage of the new rules to allow them to show a balance sheet that's closer to reality.

But are those GAAP changes automatically retroactive? That is to say, we're talking about devices that were sold more than 2 years ago, and by now their held back revenue has already made it off the books. Would Apple be able to just arbitrarily start applying the new rules to old sales that happened several years ago, with no explanation for what had come before? Or would they have to submit revised financial statements for the last few years to change their accounting of the amount of revenue they'd held back?

The GAAP issue is a tricky one, and I'd be inclined to say that Apple could provide updates (for example, 3.1.2 was released just 3 months ago and included support for the original iPhone for free).

I don't believe Apple will have to revise their past statements. Instead, they'll probably start whittling down the amount over the next year or so. Check out my interview with Anup Srivastava, an expert in this area, for more info.

http://expertlywrapped.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/the-iphone’s-influence-on-accounting/
 
Yeah, I'm not going to read 8 pages but I'm willing to wager that list bit of info probably means OTA syncing of contacts etc. Would be pretty awesome, especially if it doesn't require MobileMe.

You can do that with google or any exchange server already, too. What else do you want it to sync OTA with?
 
Yeah, I'm not going to read 8 pages but I'm willing to wager that list bit of info probably means OTA syncing of contacts etc. Would be pretty awesome, especially if it doesn't require MobileMe.

like Google Contacts and Calendar? I can do that right now on the iPhone.
 
Theres a reason the iPhone is outselling other devices in its class.

It is not. In terms of unit numbers sold it isn't the biggest platform. Apple may/may not be raking in more money, but that is not a metric of user adoption rates, just profitability in most cases.
 
Jailbreaking is easy now and I highly recommend doing so if you want more from your phone. I can run background apps, get better notifications, better lockscreen, quick access to wifi, bluetooth, 3G settings, more customization with icons and even add folders.

Anything 4.0 will be able to do has already been done by the excellent jailbreaking community.
 
I'm not going to be getting excited about this at all since it seems like everything they're including are features that should have been present from day 1.

:rolleyes:

The only reason i'll be happy about multi-tasking is to shut the anti-iPhone people up. Otherwise, i don't care at all about it.

Agreed. The only time I ever feel a need for multitasking is when I'm listening to Slacker Radio. Note I don't feel the need strongly enough to jailbreak my phone.

Oh, and good luck shutting the anti-iPhone people up. They will always find something to scream about. And they'll always have "non-user-replaceable battery" and "Apple logo on the back" to fuel their burning hate while iPhone sales continue on an unwavering upward path.

Me, I can't wait to see the Zune Phone/WinMo 7/Seven/whatever they're calling it this week. That Microsoft is becoming hopelessly irrelevant in the critical pocket computing space is the cherry atop my sundae.
 
Multi is a Must

Multitasking is the one thing i realy feel is necesary, i mean not being able to answer a phonecall while using tom tom or navigon is just not acceptable.

Oww and BT functionalitie is the second one.
 
It's interesting that the Android fans trumpet the infinite hackability of Android without acknowledging that the iPhone is just as hackable with a quick and easy jailbreak. Apple disapproves, Google looks the other way, but the end result is the same.

So you get the flexibility of Android with the finely honed UI polish of the iPhone OS. Seems the iPhone has a serious advantage in this regard.

A slight disagreement on some finer points of your post.

I can't speak to all Android phones, but the little research I did on rooting a Nexus One looks like it's command line, and the instructions state it takes 30 minutes, but can be done in 10 if you know what you're doing, and also come with the warning that if you haven't rooted an Android device before, you have no business trying to root your Nexus. (Won't stop me from rooting the one I just ordered.) I guess that makes the iPhone actually easier to jailbreak/root!

Didn't the original iPhone jailbreaking require lots of terminal commands, or am I confusing it with the AppleTV? I remember doing a lot terminal copy and pasting to hack either one or both, but that was 2.5 years ago...

The latest iPhones off the shelf are still extremely easy to jailbreak, but there's an issue with losing your jailbreak if you lose power or have to reboot. That really sucks, and leads to the final point...

Which is that Apple doesn't just disapprove, they actively, although perhaps half-heartedly, try to stop it from happening. (Or is that what you meant by disapproves?) Google apparently doesn't care at all, other than to warn you that you're violating your warranty. They've not taken any steps to prevent you from doing it.

Let me send & receive business cards and look at recent calls made/received whilst making a call - Thanks ;)

Wow, I had no idea until just now that you couldn't look at your recent calls list while in a call on the iPhone! I guess in 30 months of owning iPhones I've never had the need to do that. Definitely one of those your-mileage-may-vary things. I'm not sure what you mean by send & receive business cards, though.
 
Folders, folders, folders!

Isn't it time we finally move past the folders analogy? How many folders have you put in your pocket lately? How long do we have to continue replicating the archaic paper office methodology on our electronic devices? Forever?
 
how about ability to hide icons, etc...

I know this may have been talked about before, but I really hate how I am stuck with the stock icons and am completely unable to remove/hide them. I do not care for stocks, nor I look at pictures --- if I do I go via the Camera icon --- same applies for contacts. I wish there was a way to hide or push the unwanted icons to a hidden page of some sort.

Yes I know I can always create a last page with all of the unwanted icons, but I also like customization without cracking/hacking/unlocking the iphone.

My 2 cents...
 
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