iPhone SDK Details Emerging?

[EagerDragon]

For those of you complaining about Steve missing its deadline of June for the SDK..... How do you know that developers do not have a copy? He never said anyone that likes to dabble in programming is going to get a copy. He also said nothing about it being available to other than the cream the la crop.

It maybe out there and we just do not know.

As to what Steve says .... He has reversed quite a few of his words in the past, including video in a small screen and several others. Sometimes he does it to trow the media and others off track and sometimes because he finds it funny how we treat his words like Gospel.

 

[w00master]

Because Apple is going to let anyone submit apps. All Apple wants to do is test them and put them on the device. Don't you read the article before posting?

What is "walled" about that, the delivery method may be "walled." But that is about it.

What's walled about it? So, why is it that developers can't create a GPS device and app for the iPhone then?

I did read the article. Did you?

Yes, they absolutely do have to approve of it IF you desire them to continue to support your product. Image throwing a third party stereo in the Honda, which then fries the entire electrical system. Hmmm...I'm pretty sure Honda would tell you to stick it if you brought it in for warranty work.

I never stated anything about support. I'm not expecting Apple to "support" every third party app. I'm talking about approval. Again, Honda (or Ford, or Toyota) does not go around approving every thing that I want to add into my car.

Again I ask, Does Honda have to approve every CD/Radio that goes into the car?

The answer is CLEARLY no.

However, I do want to state that my issue isn't so much on the approval of apps. I've already resigned myself to that fact. My problem with the latest rumor is about accessories. I hope this rumor isn't true.

w00master

 

[kresh]

What if there is a reason for the madness?

I can't help but think that Apple is trying to keep the iPhone and the iPod Touch in their own little areas, while most people here want to transform the iPhone or iPod Touch into a complete handheld computer solution.

The only reason I can think that Apple is going to do this is to protect the market place for a future handheld product that they are shortly to release.

Something along the lines of an iPod Touch, 50% larger, with an Intel Silverthorne processor.

If so, I can't wait!

 

[Hooka]

Because I think what Apple is doing is BS and have every right to state my opinion

Your opinion and the reality of what Apple is going to do is pretty far apart, sorry man.

 

[EagerDragon]

What is going to stop people from jailbreaking and installing apps that are not approved but, are still built with the SDK? I think the hacking community will stay very very alive even after the SDK arrives. Think about it... there will probably be only a few Apps on iTunes and they probably won't be iChat and will probably mostly be games (like the 5G iPod downloads). I don't want games... I want real software to run on my mobile Mac OS X Operating System. They should just open the iPhone and stop restricting the users access to it's files. Imagine if Mac OS X could only install official Apple-Approved files?

You and I don't matter. Money matters. Apple is going to sell apps that sell, that people want. They are not out to make apps for geeks, they make it for the general population. If something does not sell well they will pull it quick and replace it with another product they think will sell well.

It does not matter what a few handful of people want, it is what the rest of the masses want.

 

[jmorrison0722]

No, that wasn't your argument. Your argument is actually the opposite: What is good for Apple must be good for the consumer. Now, replace Apple with Microsoft.



No, they want to sell products, and have their customers tied in. And they have a great amabassadeur in you.


Really? I guess choice is a bad thing in your world. I guess that's why I shouldn't be able to use adobe products, omnigroup products or anything non-apple on my computer. I guess I should also just use bog-standard HP-apps/WM5-apps on my PDA. Because it will lock up otherwise



Spoken like a true Apple-apologist.

I would say that I am an Apple believer. I see the choices they make and for the most part I agree with them. They look out for their products and refuse to put out "Crap" as Steve Jobs said. I most definitely sounds like you are very anti-Apple, at least on this topic. I would say to you to exercise your consumer rights and choose another phone / music player and see how open their OS is.

By the way...choice is what this is all about...if Apple didn't care to allow for choice...why even create the SDK. Why not just say, "What you got is all your gonna get, like it or leave it."

 

[Spades]

The reason its being bought up, is that we can't easily do it for computers as the cat is already out the bag, whereas we can learn from the mistakes there and try and come up with a better system for phones.

Like I said, another debate entirely. This kind of lock down does give security that you can't get now but I think it takes away too much freedom. We probably have different perspectives here. Malware has never affected me. If you're arguing for this level of central control I'm guessing you've suffered because of malware. Yeah malware stinks, but I'm not ready to let a single entity decide what apps I can use because of it.

I do like Apple-QAed apps as an option; I also run Debian and OpenBSD and generally stick to the centralized repositories they have because it provides some assurance of quality. But I also like having the option of installing other software if I want to. Would you be happy if the Apple repository was up front and obvious, but you could still drag and drop outside apps into iTunes?

In any case, I don't believe Apple is doing this for reasons of security, but for business reasons.

The only reason I can think that Apple is going to do this is to protect the market place for a future handheld product that they are shortly to release.

Something along the lines of an iPod Touch, 50% larger, with an Intel Silverthorne processor.

If so, I can't wait!

Well that's certainly a business reason.....

But that's a business reason I could live with!

 

[Tosser]

Tosser you are just hilarious, i almost can't stop laughing. So you are posting on this thread, WHY? No iPhone, No Touch and this gives you the knowledge to criticize and analyze the iPhone, HOW?

Haha, yes, I guess one has to be an inmate in order to critisize the US prisons. I also need to a party of a war in order to think that the geneva convention is a good thing. I also need to have bought and chosen to use Microsoft office, in order to say I'm not using it (!!), and that I prefer Neooffice and iWorks.

With that line of thought, I need to kill someone in order to think that murder is wrong.

Please exxxccccuse me for not get the fact straignt between feature and app...oh my god I am so sorry that you can not use disc mode on your non-existant iphone/touch

What's funny is you trying to be sarcastic, while completely missing the point: Apple's business models influence the industry, giving the consumer less choice in the end. It's great being sarcastic while sticking it to the consumer, isn't it?

Obviously how Apple is doing business is working and the good old iPhone keeps right on selling, and soooo many crippling things are keeping it from being the most popular, fastest selling cell phone in recent history.

Oh, I see you argument. Because with that OS X must be crap when compared to Windows. They must be right, because otherwise they wouldn't sell as much. Yet another idiotic McDonald's-argument.

So with that, I will gladly accept being an "idjit" and keep right on enjoying my iPhone and living with what Apple decides to allow me to use....and....if I ever decide its not enough then I will find you and ask for advise on whatever product you are using so that I will be in the right.

Yup, you certianly seem like the core Apple-buyer these days.

 

[Clive At Five]

If you actually thought Apple would make this an open-platform, programs would be mostly free, etc, you're only fooling yourself.

Jailbreaking will not stop until Apple provides a free service without barriers. The only things they should be checking for is dangerous code. I have yet to see someone develop a "dangerous" app for the iOS.

Thank you.

It's funny, now that we're starting to see the real face of this "official" SDK, that more and more people are sharing my opinion about Apple's closed systems. Who ever thought this environment would be happy and free, like the jailbreak community? Only the naive, that's for sure.

Apple is stifling the creative potential of some really talented developers out there. I mean, look at the iTouch VoIP movement, which basically turns an iTouch into an iPhone (assuming you're in a wi-Fi network). How great is that? Of course it's not great for Apple (though the iPhone has many OBVIOUS advantages), but the ingenuity it takes to think of and implement something like that is pretty radical.

Think of all the potential the iPhone could have if it allowed dockable add-ons... certainly, to some it would lose visual appeal, perhaps, but to others, it might add invaluable capabilities to the iPhone, which it would've never gained without it.

The iPhone has HUGE potential, which Apple is stifling and/or stealing for itself. I find this to be excessively greedy and just plain wrong. Apple is trying so desperately to have its cake and eat it too... and it is going to come back to haunt them.

I'd put money on it.

-Clive

 

[Hooka]

What's walled about it? So, why is it that developers can't create a GPS device and app for the iPhone then?

I did read the article. Did you?

w00master

You want to hook a gps unit up to your iPhone and do what with it? The next iPhone could have gps in it.

 

[RickJames69]

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Tosser you are just hilarious, i almost can't stop laughing. So you are posting on this thread, WHY? No iPhone, No Touch and this gives you the knowledge to criticize and analyze the iPhone, HOW?

Haha, yes, I guess one has to be an inmate in order to critisize the US prisons. I also need to a party of a war in order to think that the geneva convention is a good thing. I also need to have bought and chosen to use Microsoft office, in order to say I'm not using it (!!), and that I prefer Neooffice and iWorks.

With that line of thought, I need to kill someone in order to think that murder is wrong.

Please exxxccccuse me for not get the fact straignt between feature and app...oh my god I am so sorry that you can not use disc mode on your non-existant iphone/touch

What's funny is you trying to be sarcastic, while completely missing the point: Apple's business models influence the industry, giving the consumer less choice in the end. It's great being sarcastic while sticking it to the consumer, isn't it?

Obviously how Apple is doing business is working and the good old iPhone keeps right on selling, and soooo many crippling things are keeping it from being the most popular, fastest selling cell phone in recent history.

Oh, I see you argument. Because with that OS X must be crap when compared to Windows. They must be right, because otherwise they wouldn't sell as much. Yet another idiotic McDonald's-argument.

So with that, I will gladly accept being an "idjit" and keep right on enjoying my iPhone and living with what Apple decides to allow me to use....and....if I ever decide its not enough then I will find you and ask for advise on whatever product you are using so that I will be in the right.

Yup, you certianly seem like the core Apple-buyer these days.

I think that having more apps would be kinda nifty!

 

[jmorrison0722]

What's walled about it? So, why is it that developers can't create a GPS device and app for the iPhone then?

I did read the article. Did you?



I never stated anything about support. I'm not expecting Apple to "support" every third party app. I'm talking about approval. Again, Honda (or Ford, or Toyota) does not go around approving every thing that I want to add into my car.

Again I ask, Does Honda have to approve every CD/Radio that goes into the car?

The answer is CLEARLY no.

However, I do want to state that my issue isn't so much on the approval of apps. I've already resigned myself to that fact. My problem with the latest rumor is about accessories. I hope this rumor isn't true.

w00master

I get your point, I really do. But just think of software updates to the iPhone as warranty service. If you want them, you gotta follow the rules set forth by Apple / Honda. If you are cool with what is on your phone / car and don't need anything further from Apple / Honda...cool...jailbreak your phone and add anything you want. Apple hasn't stopped you from doing this...only from receiving further support (warranty service)

 

[Shanesan]

By the way...choice is what this is all about...if Apple didn't care to allow for choice...why even create the SDK. Why not just say, "What you got is all your gonna get, like it or leave it."

If it wasn't for us "anti-apple" individuals who hacked their iPod/iPhone because they thought that all that extra processing power was being wasted and extra space on the iOS was wasted, Apple may not have released this SDK so quickly, if at all.

If it wasn't for those who wanted MORE FREEDOM, Apple may not even be making this initial step towards said freedom.

 

[jmorrison0722]

If it wasn't for us "anti-apple" individuals who hacked their iPod/iPhone because they thought that all that extra processing power was being wasted and extra space on the iOS was wasted, Apple may not have released this SDK so quickly, if at all.

If it wasn't for those who wanted MORE FREEDOM, Apple may not even be making this initial step towards said freedom.

Good point.

 

[Shanesan]

I get your point, I really do. But just think of software updates to the iPhone as warranty service. If you want them, you gotta follow the rules set forth by Apple / Honda. If you are cool with what is on your phone / car and don't need anything further from Apple / Honda...cool...jailbreak your phone and add anything you want. Apple hasn't stopped you from doing this...only from receiving further support (warranty service)

I don't consider patches "warranty service". I consider patches of fixing something they knew was broken, AKA a "voluntary product recall". To leave something broken is not just bad support, but a bad mark on your companies record.

 

[EagerDragon]

Bull****. The only way Apple's doing this is because they don't want 3rd-party developers to distribute software w/o Apple getting its share of the pie.

And exactly what is wrong with that?
Why should they give you the tools to compete with them?

I suggest you get a bunch of your friends together, consult a lawyer and see how you can force Apple to run their company your way.

What does ranting gains?

If you feel strong enough and you think you have a case, take them to court. Simple and nobody needs get upset.

Action speaks better than words, take them on if you think you are right.

 

[SFC Archer]

I would say that I am an Apple believer. I see the choices they make and for the most part I agree with them. They look out for their products and refuse to put out "Crap" as Steve Jobs said. I most definitely sounds like you are very anti-Apple, at least on this topic. I would say to you to exercise your consumer rights and choose another phone / music player and see how open their OS is.

By the way...choice is what this is all about...if Apple didn't care to allow for choice...why even create the SDK. Why not just say, "What you got is all your gonna get, like it or leave it."

jmorrison...dont fall for Tosser's line...He DOESNT have an iPhone or Touch and seems to like antagonizing anyone that doesnt think or act like him.

 

[Tosser]

I would say that I am an Apple believer.

Oh, haha, and people are wondering how come they accused of being a semi-religous cult?

I see the choices they make and for the most part I agree with them. They look out for their products and refuse to put out "Crap" as Steve Jobs said. I most definitely sounds like you are very anti-Apple, at least on this topic.

Hmm, I'm not. I'm just pro-consumer. So when apple acts very much against the interest of the consumer, I am against it. There's quite a difference. I have been an apple-user for around 16 years.

I would say to you to exercise your consumer rights and choose another phone / music player and see how open their OS is.

I already have, not to mention a non-crippled PDA.

By the way...choice is what this is all about...if Apple didn't care to allow for choice...why even create the SDK. Why not just say, "What you got is all your gonna get, like it or leave it."

Jailbreak, anyone?

Once again, you're trying to argue this is better for the consumer, yet your real argument is that this is better for apple, and by extension, this must be better for the consumer. You're trying to defend crippling the SDK, in effect putting a lock-down on it, while at the same time trying to convince people this is giving more choice to the consumer.

You think the SDK somehow will give people the choice of using the thing in disk mode? Nah, I thought not.

 

[Eraserhead]

[I believe Apple is doing this for business reasons.]

I agree that Apple is doing it for business reasons. But I also think its for security reasons too. Its the first mobile platform anyone actually uses. Which means it'll probably have the first significant mobile virus. Which will give Apple the same security reputation as Microsoft.

 

[jmorrison0722]

I don't consider patches "warranty service". I consider patches of fixing something they knew was broken, AKA a "voluntary product recall". To leave something broken is not just bad support, but a bad mark on your companies record.

1.1.3 was much more than a patch...new features too!

 

[Tosser]

jmorrison...dont fall for Tosser's line...He DOESNT have an iPhone or Touch and seems to like antagonizing anyone that doesnt think or act like him.

Haha. Yes, because only people that actually steal for a living are allowed to have an opinion on theft and robbery. And only the opinion of those people have any weight.

You're propably unaware of it, but your argument is ridiculously flawed.

 

[eastcoastsurfer]

For those of you complaining about Steve missing its deadline of June for the SDK..... How do you know that developers do not have a copy? He never said anyone that likes to dabble in programming is going to get a copy. He also said nothing about it being available to other than the cream the la crop.

ROFL, you're joking right? If they actually really release (as in I can download it and write an app and release it on a website) an SDK, I bet some of the best apps will come from the 1 person shows who pick it up and just try to do something cool. If only SJ select developers get to use the SDK, then the situation is no different than it is now.

BTW, 'dabbling' in programming is how any great programmer got started. If anything, I hope this extra time they are taking is them trying to make it easier for anyone to write an app if they want to. Now that would be revolutionary for a phone/pda environment.

 

[Spades]

And exactly what is wrong with that?
Why should they give you the tools to compete with them?

Well that's certainly their right, but good luck getting developers to support them. In the history of computing, the more the platform has supported the developers, the more the developers have supported the platform.

 

[jmorrison0722]

Oh, haha, and people are wondering how come they accused of being a semi-religous cult?


Hmm, I'm not. I'm just pro-consumer. So when apple acts very much against the interest of the consumer, I am against it. There's quite a difference. I have been an apple-user for around 16 years.


I already have, not to mention a non-crippled PDA.



Jailbreak, anyone?

Once again, you're trying to argue this is better for the consumer, yet your real argument is that this is better for apple, and by extension, this must be better for the consumer. You're trying to defend crippling the SDK, in effect putting a lock-down on it, while at the same time trying to convince people this is giving more choice to the consumer.

You think the SDK somehow will give people the choice of using the thing in disk mode? Nah, I thought not.

Here's the thing I think you're missing, or at the very least don't care about. Moms and Dads are buying iPhones. Grandparents are buying them. Tons of people who aren't very savvy on things like computer virus', open source this or that, and so on. They know one thing...they want their device to keep working. So, is it not best for these consumers I speak of that Apple do whatever they feel is needed to make sure their devices keep working? I really don't see how they are any different, Good for Apple or Good for Consumer...unless of course you're talking price. Free iPhones = good for consumer. Free iPhones = bad for Apple.

 

[jmorrison0722]

Haha. Yes, because only people that actually steal for a living are allowed to have an opinion on theft and robbery. And only the opinion of those people have any weight.

You're propably unaware of it, but your argument is ridiculously flawed.

Tosser...you don't have an iPhone or iPod Touch?