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iPhone SDK Details Emerging?
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I'm as big an Apple fan as anyone and an AAPL investor, but I'm getting a real "Bad Karma" feeling about this SDK roll out. If Apple is stretched so thin in engineering boots, how in the world are they going to stay on top of the hundreds if not thousands of third party applications that will roll in for evaluation? Could it take 90 days just to aok an application?
I am glad that Apple will need to approve applications. A lot of people might be mad about it, but if Apple allowed anyone to post their applications the chance for a virus or something that might crash your phone greatly increases. Apple approving apps is also the only way that they can allow us to use them while still maintaining our warranty. If something goes wrong on an app they approved, the blame is on Apple instead of the user. I would rather use an Apple approved application than install an unapproved application that was designed to attack the iPhone and iPod Touch. In the end I think everything will work out well.
Tosser, it will never matter weather i agree with you or not...you will never get it, you live to argue as you are with others in the thread. This is what yo live for. You have no clue what my point is and that it is my FRIGGIN opinon, I try to use sarcastic remarks to lighten the mood and you want to go right back into the pits of argument again...you are just no longer worth it.
Apples business model is for Apple, not the rest of the friggin world...they are setting the standard, every friggin phone company out there is trying to make an iphone killer so again obviously ITS WORKING...open up your closed brain cells and use some common sense. I was trying to debate and discuss not flippin argue with a close minded fool. It seems you can be sarcastic and get away with it yet others cant...totally amazing. I own 2 friggin apple products as I already told your close minded non-listening self...I am not an apple buyer...go somewhere where you know what you are talking about.
I am done with you...Have a great day and I hope that something in your life will please you someday!
While I see your point I have to disagree.
Apple is the only one that can do that verification. It does not matter how good you and friends are, it is Apple responsability to do it themselves or to contract someone to do it their way and spot checks from apple.
It is a matter of responsability and trust. Why should apple trust me to review their code? They should not is the answer. It is their device their name and their cool that will leach out if they take your word and you flop.
By the way I been developing for 35 years and my team and I review millions of lines of code per year for security issues and I do not think they should trust me, not because I am not good, but because I do not have what they have to loose.
I have chosen not to because it has no disk mode, because the features are crippled, and because I, as a consumer, will not buy crippled products and thus support crippling and lockdowns, not to mention tie-ins of the consumer.
But I see you're on the same course as he is: If I do not own a house with no heating, plaster-floors, no toilet and no front door, it's not a valid argument that those things are really bad for the buyer.
Only fanboys would try such pseudo-argumentation.
I'm sorry but I would much rather have apps that were Apple approved. Mainly for security. It's either they release everything via iTunes store to insure quality and security, or let everyone make anything they want and have tons of holes and problems. The former is happening, and you're pissed at Apple, if the latter happened, you'd STILL blame Apple. Lose lose for Apple, which is WHY they don't give a **** about customers like you.
Apple can't cater to everyone, and the MAJORITY of iPhone users will be happy with how this turns out. Don't make the mistake of thinking you whiners are the majority just because your negative feedback is always louder. The majority (huge majority, probably) of iPhone users are quietly enjoying their iPhones to the fullest, with or without jailbreaking, and have no reason to post on a forum. Don't think your starting the "iPhone revolution" just because you jailbroke your iPhone and your "pro-consumer". You're not as big or as important to Apple as you think you are. Get off that high horse!
Apple can't cater to everyone, and the MAJORITY of iPhone users will be happy with how this turns out. Don't make the mistake of thinking you whiners are the majority just because your negative feedback is always louder. The majority (huge majority, probably) of iPhone users are quietly enjoying their iPhones to the fullest, with or without jailbreaking, and have no reason to post on a forum. Don't think your starting the "iPhone revolution" just because you jailbroke your iPhone and your "pro-consumer". You're not as big or as important to Apple as you think you are. Get off that high horse!
What verification would Apple be doing that only they can do? If there is some super secret process they should just share it with everybody and save themselves the cost of testing.
I see a lot of people saying that consumers would blame Apple if something went wrong with an app. I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but why is this different from a computer? People don't blame Apple with a third-party app crashes on a Mac. If the difference is a matter of consumer perception they should do something about that perception. Even if they QA every iPhone app, they're still going to crash sometimes anyways.
Let's not get to cocky here just because the media loves the ring of phrase. We have a long way to go before Nokia needs to kill anything. The cellular industry is a different beast than the MP3 player industry, Apple is a small fish in a very large and quickly expanding pond.
I suspect that the iPhone rollout is going slower than expected because carriers do not want to give Apple a cut of the money. Ireland and Austria are being introduced but they are through carriers that were already partnered with Apple. Since 1.1.2 the iPhone has had information to make it work on Italian carrier TIM, but still it hasn't been released in Italy. Could the carrier be stalling, realizing there is no need to sign away percentages of the contract? Especially considering the ease of unlocking the phone.
It is less about others not being capable of verifying that an application works and more about Apple making sure that nobody is releasing a virus or something that will end up killing the phone or iPod. With all the hype and attention that has been involved with the iPhone and iPod touch over the last year, I wouldn't put it past some people to attempt to make an application that would brick these devices. If Apple does not look at the application themselves, they have no way to be sure something like this won't happen. If Apple did not approve apps themselves and people downloaded a random 3rd party app that ended up killing their phone/iPod, who do you think they would be calling wanting a refund/replacement product? Apple approving apps keeps them from facing this problem.
No that would be a valid argument on behalf of those with the problem. Thing is, as an iPhone owner myself...I'm not sure I need you fighting for my cause...perhaps you should go get your own cause...or buy an iPhone.
Hah
I love how there are so many people on here that criticize Apple and the iPhone Dev Team, and even Steve Jobs because they're hearing something that they don't particularly like. First off, something tells me that you didn't buy the iPhone so that you could install DopeWars or some ****** Bejeweled or Tetris game. (And sidenote: I personally hope they never create an iPhone application supporting Lotus Notes... anything to make that horrendous Software Suite finally die a slow and miserable death would be a wonderful experience).
Everybody needs to be a little less selfish and understand that while, yeah, Apple is trying to make and secure a steady income from their consumers, they're also trying to make sure that their hardware is as secure as possible. People are actually complaining that Apple is going to be QC'ing (that's quality control, for the illiterates out there) each application. Seriously now, how is that a problem? I wouldn't blame Apple for not wanting to invest a bunch of time and money into Customer Support because of destructively coded applications written by some two-bit programmer.
People on this board need to realize that the majority of consumers are those who probably don't even know what an SDK is (of course, some people on here don't even know what the SDK is), and could care less about adding additional applications. Yeah, IT people in corporations do, and Apple nerds do, and tech geeks do, but not the majority of consumers who have purchased an iPhone. To them, the iPhone is great as it is.
And I'm sorry, this is just a personal vent of mine, but I sincerely hope they don't make the dock connector available simply because I would point and laugh at the morons who connect their iPhone to an external keyboard. Give it a rest, already.
I love how there are so many people on here that criticize Apple and the iPhone Dev Team, and even Steve Jobs because they're hearing something that they don't particularly like. First off, something tells me that you didn't buy the iPhone so that you could install DopeWars or some ****** Bejeweled or Tetris game. (And sidenote: I personally hope they never create an iPhone application supporting Lotus Notes... anything to make that horrendous Software Suite finally die a slow and miserable death would be a wonderful experience).
Everybody needs to be a little less selfish and understand that while, yeah, Apple is trying to make and secure a steady income from their consumers, they're also trying to make sure that their hardware is as secure as possible. People are actually complaining that Apple is going to be QC'ing (that's quality control, for the illiterates out there) each application. Seriously now, how is that a problem? I wouldn't blame Apple for not wanting to invest a bunch of time and money into Customer Support because of destructively coded applications written by some two-bit programmer.
People on this board need to realize that the majority of consumers are those who probably don't even know what an SDK is (of course, some people on here don't even know what the SDK is), and could care less about adding additional applications. Yeah, IT people in corporations do, and Apple nerds do, and tech geeks do, but not the majority of consumers who have purchased an iPhone. To them, the iPhone is great as it is.
And I'm sorry, this is just a personal vent of mine, but I sincerely hope they don't make the dock connector available simply because I would point and laugh at the morons who connect their iPhone to an external keyboard. Give it a rest, already.
The solution isn't to control third party apps, but to make sure that the iPhone can't be bricked by an app. If this argument is the reason that Apple is doing this, then I'd annoyed that Apple is selling me a device they aren't confident is secure. There's no reason for the iPhone to be less secure than a desktop OS. As has been pointed out, this is a good chance to make it more secure than desktop OSes. But I think that can be done without sacrificing the freedom to install what you want.
Ah, you continue with your idiotic argumentation and conjecture.
Sorry, but I actually do know how to dissect an argument. It's called logic, and it's much like mathematics.
Ah, yes, like that first one (in this post) that surely is lightening the mood as well.
Poor lad, but yet you go on (I wonder if you're able to make up your mind?):
Yes, for the company. But what might be a good way to sell products, doesn't necessarily mean it's good for the consumer.
Oh, haha! That's rich! That's coming from someone who might as well be arguing that Microsofts business models up until the late 1990's was great for the consumer.
Yes, I'm aware, you were hoping that people would just agree with you.It's obvious to anyone. And this on a discussion forum. Good thinking on your part.
You truly are funny. I'm glad though, you think I can get away with it. Perhaps that has to do with me actually using logic in my argumentation? Nooh, that can't be it, can it?
LOL, I own more than that. Sorry to break it to you.
Wait, you're "not an apple buyer", yet you own two of their products? Hmm
Weird statement. It looks like you're the one making logical leaps based on flawed logics, it looks like you're the one who haven't got a clue and has a real dislike of being countered (on a discussion forum, no less), yet you're the one coming with that claim?
Splendid.
I am done with you...Have a great day and I hope that something in your life will please you someday![/QUOTE]
You are 100% right...i was getting frustrated with the individual I was replying to becuase I was trying to "discuss" with him and he wanted to argue about a product he doesn't even use. My apologies.
Apple has a long way to go as an infant cell phone producer and has limited their ability to grow fast with the model that they are using. However, I support that model as it is giving us the super product that causes so much debate and controversy. I was a previous Treo user and after purchasing this product, will never look at a cell phone the same again. Some day, maybe sooner then later, a new platform/cell phone will replace the iPhone...but for now this thing is just amazing.
Thanks for bringing me back to sanity!
I understand everything you say and I been programming professionaly for 35 years.
You are making assumptions about the time and capital that lone programmers and small groups of garage programmers have. It is not just the skill and creativity, its is the handholding, support and the ability to hire 40 people to help finish a project.
One person can not do the job of a well hone team of experienced programmers and do so in time to meet the market need. Notice I said well honed.
There are excelent programmers out there that will beat a medicre team of 100 programmers and do so single handed. But that is the exception not the rule.
Also a single programmer does not have the time or money to do market research. He is likely to get lucky once in a while and come out with a program that people want. But 100 programs? No way.
More people should daddle and learn, when they are ready they should develop an idea, survey the idea and then decide to write it or not. Just becaue they maybe genoiuses it does not mean we want to buy the application. Ask Jobs about marketing and figuring out what people want, he has plenty of experience on that. Not everyone out there has that or the skills.
There are thousands of programmers wanting to be selected for the task. If a few drop out, a 100 more will get in line. BTW they are treated right, they will make more money and get more fame than if they went on their own. Apple is the agent that takes them to stardom
Spades,
With all due respect, that's sort of like saying, "Here, borrow my car for a joyride", then you getting pissed that I didn't put up guardrails to keep you from swaying off the road.
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Nifty apps sure will be!
EagerDragon said:
Nifty apps sure will be!
I think that Apple should start referring to it as:
ITMS (iTunes Media Store)
then, when "ITMS" becomes the common usage, Apple should drop the "(iTunes Media Store)" part.