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Apple is becoming like Microsoft releasing everything late. ;)

Apple had better stop poking fun of MS for lateness however. Steve is always quick to put in a little dig here and there. Man who live in glass house should not throw stones.

Or as was said of the Polynesian king who was crushed by his spare chair stored in the attic of his hut...
"People who live in grass houses shouldn't stow thrones."
 
I saw this while on ATT's site..

In order to use data such as email, Google Maps, YouTube videos and web browsing, AT&T recommends using iPhone in a 3G or EDGE Network (coverage viewer), or from a local Wi-Fi connection.

Hmmmm.
 
they did that with Leopard too...

If I remember correctly, they announced the delay of Leopard at the last possible minute.

On the other hand, I don't think they planned an event (with fancy invitations and all) just to announce a delay.


Good point. I forgot that he reiterated the February release date at Macworld.
 
Thinking out loud here... What if Apple, ATT and the other iPhone carriers (or both) offered an extra incentive to those tied to another carrier's contact:

-- Apple could offer Apple Store credits ($ or, say an iPod)
-- The carriers could offer reduced cost (for a period of time-- maybe with reduced reimbursement to Apple)
-- The carriers could offer additional services (or, say an iPod)

This would not need to offset the entire penalty-- just bring the "cost of switching" to iPhone to an acceptable/attractive level.

That would be great, but we are dealing with cell phone companys who resolve to nickel and diming processes in order to maximize profits.
Theres no way that they will ever do that.
 
Maybe there being a roadmap has something to do with Intel's Silverthorne chip??
Will developers have an SDK/environment where it's easy for them to convert their apps so they work on a silverthorne Apple device?
That's assuming Apple use that chip soon, they might not.

Not a chance. Silverthorne is an absolute loser compared to ARM.

(Seriously. What is going on here? Intel has a press release, and you think Apple is switching away from the absolute market leader in low-power CPU? It will take Intel a few years to arrive where ARM is now. )
 
what do you expect they've been working on those new macbook pros and airs you all have been complaining about. give em a break honestly they've been releasing items like crazy let them have a couple months of engineering rest. just relax cuz apple isnt releasing anything soon
 
This is weak. Why do they always seem to give themselves unrealistic deadlines only to back out of their promise when it's already obvious they are not going to meet the deadline? Just give it to us straight...
 
Okay,

I don't think that this has been discussed, but do you think that itunes will be like the installer app. on jailbroken phones?? Because I'd like to be able to install apps while on the go..

lol

My phone, hasnt been jailbroken its still a virgin phone
 
Making a third party software environment that is reliable, consistent, supportable, and secure takes a lot more work than the hacking/hobbyist community has done...

And in my opinion, is something that should have been in place at the launch of the device! Apps must have a secure, refined playground, period. It doesn't matter if the device is open to 3rd party dev't or not. The sort of things Apple is doing to prepare the iPhone for this transition are 9 months late, if you ask me. Leaving the platform vulnerable like this was totally irresponsible.

-Clive
 
This is weak. Why do they always seem to give themselves unrealistic deadlines only to back out of their promise when it's already obvious they are not going to meet the deadline? Just give it to us straight...

Question: How does a large software project get to be one year late? Answer: One day at a time!
 
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daveschroeder said:
If it's that much of an issue, which I realize it is, SJobs should NOT have set expectations for February.

Perhaps not. And that's why Apple doesn't really like giving deadlines in the future. I imagine he wanted to offer some sense of firmness to an area that a lot of press and analysts are keeping an eagle eye on. The only people who will care about this are the people who want to fill 45 screens on their phone with apps, and the people who click reload on MacRumors forums every 2 seconds in a thread with dozens of responses about how people are feverishly downloading the 1.1.4 firmware update in the hopes that it has Flash or iChat.

The IT and wireless press, analysts, and others won't really care much if the first release is a week late, or whether it's a beta.

I take it you're one of those people who clicks reload since you have time to comment on everyone elses opinion. As far as I know people are entitled to have an opinion.
 
I understand what a difficult process this sorta thing is. Thing is, the iPhone/iPod touch already uses a dumbed down version of OS X.

As we all know, ALL OS X programs running, are all ran itno a sorta seperate "compartment" meaning, one crashing doesnt take the whole system down, and one bad application cant affect the system or other applications in any way.

So why doesnt apple just use that technique on the iPhone? It would be perfect, would even make setting how much that app can control on the iPhone OS simple, right?
 
I'm beginning to lose my trust in Apple honestly. Falling stock prices, overpriced tariffs for iPhone, iPhone rollout slow, Apple TV Take 2 delayed, no 3G iPhone and all those delays and all. Apple really has to do something WAUW now to make me happy again:(

If this is true, I'm pissed. But I'll take it as a rumor untill March 6th.

Stock's highest it has been in weeks.
 
I'm not even going to read through this whole thread cuz I'm sure there's going to be a whole lot of mirror posts of this one.

All I really need to say is that if the SDK takes SOOOOOO much work and everybody should know this, then APPLE should know it better than anyone and shouldn't have projected the release for February.

Quit defending their mistakes!!! Gah!

It took them longer because the SDK needs to work with the new iPhone they are announcing and with the UMPC style tablet that they are releasing in June (kidding).
 
It took them longer because the SDK needs to work with the new iPhone they are announcing and with the UMPC style tablet that they are releasing in June (kidding).

Ya know. Just because you or some other posters don't see a SDK in the wild doesn't mean there isn't one. Apple said they would release a SDK to "developers" by the end of February. Where's the proof they haven't ? ;)
 
using itunes to distribute makes sense. as well as the mobile itunes store. although it might not be 100% necessary. being able to install apps via wifi without the need for a computer has been a neat feature of the installer.app
 
using itunes to distribute makes sense. as well as the mobile itunes store. although it might not be 100% necessary. being able to install apps via wifi without the need for a computer has been a neat feature of the installer.app

I totally agree.

While I totally would enjoy iTunes being used to get apps, I would haaattteeee for iTunes to be the ONLY way to get apps. Catch 22.

Hopefully the Mobile iTunes store will act as the installer.app did, allowing one to install apps on the go.
 
using itunes to distribute makes sense. as well as the mobile itunes store. although it might not be 100% necessary. being able to install apps via wifi without the need for a computer has been a neat feature of the installer.app

I was thinking the same thing. It would suck if I always had to be near a computer if I found a new App I wanted to try. Also, I wonder if they will treat software the same they do on a desktop computer... anyone can develop and YOU decide which software works for you and what you want to pay for. I see soo many freeware apps on MacUpdate that do the SAME task as an expensive commercial app but with less bloat and unnecessary bells and whistles.
 
Beta doesn't mean that the public can't use it

If not mistaken, Google does the Beta release with pretty much every new service they provide (yes I'm looking at you Gmail!).

Based on the actual announcement, Apple will show a roadmap for iPhone applications and some exciting business advancements.

Based on what other are reporting ], the announcement is expected to bring in improved support for Exchange (outlook) and Lotus Notes. So this would take care of teh second part of the announcement. in regards to the first one, a BEta version released for free to developers right now might actually make more sense that a full complete SDK. This would help developers work out the kinks and bugs and for bleeding edge users to starts playing with more mature applications that jailbroken phones or touches.

this is my 2 cents.
 
Use of the Beta applications for free

Thinking a bit further about this possible Beta release. Most users would be able to use their jailbroken apps with Apple's blessing.

And also, you cannot charge for any apps when they're in Beta (remember "Boot Camp!") Only when the SDK is fully implemented and the programs fully tested will they be able to "charge' anything to both Suppliers and/or Customers.
 
Just please release a Slingplayer client for the iPod touch, that is call I care about.
 
No one here is doubting that it's a lot of work and the timeframe to release it to the mass developers. The disappointment arises when Steve Jobs claims publicly that it would be released at the end of Feb 2008. These are his claims and no one was forcing him to announce the release date, even though it's highly anticipated. It's his judgement of when products or services will be releasing or released. He is forgiven for the entire G5 3GHz in the PowerMac as its understandable that IBM also had a key-role in the development. However with software development even depending on beta testers Steve Jobs should better gage the release of a product(s).

Steve Jobs should have announced that it was due for release when the SDK was 98% completed, even though he is being optimistic. I much rather have him have knowledge that the SDK is 98% completed and give a March or April release then have it 80% completed and state an end of Feb release.

As the CEO of Apple his statements mean a lot to developers and consumers and to some extent the technology market, his release statements for products and services makes him lose credibility in so many eye. This delay does not bother me as I am not ready to invest in an iPhone or iPod Touch until its offered in Canada (iPhone) or WPA enterprise is incorporated. Though I have had an iPod Touch for a month as a test product. :)

After reading seven pages of this nonsense I picked this post as an example to just scream: STOP IT! (no personal pun at the poster)

If he said 'In the hands of developers by the end of Feb', then so be it. Little reality check here: Mac OS X bulds are usually literally HANDED OUT TO DEVELOPERS at WWDC. These builds are far away from the final product. These builds still see major changes, and though I am not aware of the business as not being a dev, I guess every seed note comprises a nice overview on what changed in which APIs and how to take advantage of it.

The SDK currently IS in the hand of developers (remember the claim on this site here accompanied with the 1.1.4 rumor)! So the deadline was met.

Actually I guess there are some high interest companies currently, that use this 'beta SDK' to deliver Apps on time. Maybe it's not Apple's fault. Maybe it's just, that Microsoft didn't get their Office reader ready, or Google didn't manage to fully compile some of their stuff. Problem is, we will never know, as all people, having the 'beta SDK' IN HANDS and working with it currently, are under heavy NDA.

So my impression of this roadmap event:
- Presentation of the iPhone 2.0
- Talk about iPhone Software 1.2 or maybe 2.0, that takes full advantage of the SDK
- Showcasing some major Apps, like Office document editing, PDF-viewing
- Maybe showcasing a 'Remote App' for using the iPhone on presentations

Short point: This event will be just like the 'Let me introduce 10.x to you'-events on WWDC. You will see, what the future will bring. You will get some 'Beta'-software for testing the ecosystem (like we got iChat AV, Safari 3, Boot Camp). Some high ranked officials will give their 5 minute speech, why they love the SDK and the iPhone so much. Nothing more, nothing less.

There won't be any REAL SHIPPING PRODUCT after the announcement, but you will know, what the future will bring. And now get over it, will you?
 
Ya know. Just because you or some other posters don't see a SDK in the wild doesn't mean there isn't one. Apple said they would release a SDK to "developers" by the end of February. Where's the proof they haven't ? ;)

What make you think that I do not believe in the SDK being released?
Why do you think I have no clue?

Umm too many assumptions.

Maybe you did not read the post I was replying to and did not notice the word (Kidding) in my reply to him?
 
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