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prefer the notch tbh... Apple is giving me $400 for the 13PM, seriously tempted.. Will see what happens tuesday.
 
What matters to me if there will be a 256GB option. I'd rather load this up, it would be a real upgrade from my current XS 256 GB that I've been holding on to for a while (still works and does what I need it to do though not having 5G and only upgradeable to iOS17 will probably eventually be an issue).
 
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If the AI cannot be turned off (I don't know), it could be permanently allocated to the AI. So the available RAM for other tasks could be small, or even worse than before. Something to keep in mind.

And if the AI can be turned off, I think it will not be in the future. Apple will consider it an integral feature of the iPhone, totally embedded.
Apple Intelligence can currently be turned off on all of Apple's devices that support it, at Settings > Apple Intelligence, where it's the first slider at the top. I agree there's a possibility Apple might remove this on/off slider at some point, making AI always active throughout all of their operating systems, but that point seems some ways off, and given all the options we have in the Settings apps, I'm doubtful Apple will choose to do this--I think it's more likely they'd introduce multiple on/off options for most of AI's functions, so you could leave some of them on and turn others off.
 
Probably will also have only eSIM vs a SIM card. If there is no SIM card capability, then it will not be a big seller in poorer countries that have not be able to transition to the darn eSIMs.

So my iPhone 13 mini continues as my traveling iPhone when I do not want to pay my USA carrier an excessive premium to call outside of USA with my iPhone 16 Pro MAX.
 
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It's so depressing
They could make a really great smaller-ish phone if they tried and saw value in serving the market

(not all markets have to be huge and yes there are folks ... plenty ... who prefer smaller phones, it's just not GANGBUSTERS numbers that Apple now demands for every single thing)
I'm sure Apple has done their research and (rightly) concluded the majority of its customers want large phones.

The market for small iPhones has sailed. Deal with it.
 
If the new iPhone SE4 comes out next week, I'll take a look, although it's not quite time for me to retire my SE3 with its TouchID. The iPhone SE4's size, RAM, storage (128GB minimum please!), price, Apple modem and other features will be factors for me to consider. Hopefully, Apple will leave the choices of Apple Intelligence to us users.
 
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Yes, of course it is just an opinion (I also greatly prefer Touch ID over Face ID), but I have to call you on the “market”.

There was never a touch id and face id iPhone from the same generation. If you wanted a newer phone, you HAD to get face id. That’s not really the market deciding that face id is better. That’s apple deciding that face id is better.
iPhone 8 and iPhone X weren’t the same generation by name, but were released together. You could choose the 8 range and receive the newest internals, wireless charging, [newer?] cameras, and retain TouchID. I’d say the market chose the X, given its design continuing, especially between its price increase and delayed availability from 8.

Edit: I see SeenJeen mentioned this in reply already.
 
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What matters to me if there will be a 256GB option. I'd rather load this up, it would be a real upgrade from my current XS 256 GB that I've been holding on to for a while (still works and does what I need it to do though not having 5G and only upgradeable to iOS17 will probably eventually be an issue).

There is a 256gb option with the current SE.

iPhone 8 and iPhone X weren’t the same generation by name, but were released together. You could choose the 8 range and receive the newest internals, wireless charging, [newer?] cameras, and retain TouchID. I’d say the market chose the X, given its design continuing, especially between its price increase and delayed availability from 8.

I personally saw vastly more iPhone 8s than the X. I work with a lot of affluent people, and only two had the X, when most bought the 8 Plus. I had the regular 8.
 
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Not really low cost, but i suppose for Apple it is. so not having a iphone myself, i presume, touch ID is like a fingerprint sensor, so no fingerprint sensor at all? Not sure if I like that idea, face Id may be okay, but not when it is cold and your face is covered up. So three reasons to stay away from Iphone, no fingerprint sensor, cost and IOS, well for me anyway.
I will stick to my cheap sub £200 Android phone
If it is cold enough to cover your face, aren't you going to be wearing gloves? I usually cover my hands before I cover my face.
 
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I can also see this SE 4 being a huge disappointment by launching with a combo of A18 in an iPhone 14 design but the rest of the specs are closer to iPhones 14 and 15. Then topped off with a single rear camera, USB-C, and Face ID notch.

Among other things, this would mean 6GB RAM and no Apple Intelligence instead of the rumored 8GB.

Apple would sell SE 4 at the same $429 as the last SE.

It’s worth noting that no previous SE has matched the RAM or storage of the current $799 mid-tier it launched next to.

By keeping SE 4 specs closer to iPhones 14 and 15 combined with an A18 SoC, iPhones 15 will still have good sales arguments.

Did Gurman ever verbatim claim that SE 4 would get the 8GB RAM that everyone in here seems to think is a given?

128GB storage is a given to me as that was what iPhones 14 had as the baseline.

But I’m not so sure about 8GB RAM.

Maybe this is much more about just putting out a USB-C version of iPhone 14 than actually offering an inexpensive but solid alternative to iPhones 16?
Why do you think it would have 6GB RAM? The A18 on the iPhone 16 has 8GB of RAM. If it were limited to 6GB that would be a custom version of the SOC. I can't see Apple launching any major device now that doesn't run AI.

In the SE market, I don't see the camera limitations to be a major problem. A lot of people don't use the additional cameras, anyway.
 
Yes but if Touch ID was that important to users then sales would have came to a grinding stop. Most people love Face ID.

In fact Face ID is more intuitive than Touch ID. Example: years ago I bought my grandma an iPad 6. She could NEVER get the hang of registering Touch ID. She’d literally kept pressing in the button, which would reset the whole process. After 10 minutes of watching this disaster I finally took her finger and placed it for her (and that took another 5 minutes). Every time I visited her after, she always used the on-screen passcode.

Fast forward to this past Xmas. iPad Pro. Here grandma, move your head in a circle. Again. Ok great now swipe up.
Now she never uses the on screen passcode.

I am not denying that there’s a part of the market that prefers Touch ID. Just like there’s a part of the market that wants a tiny phone. It’s just that the vast majority of the market doesn’t.
When this new SE comes out, I'm going to get one for my mother. She recently broke her phone and got herself an SE3 with touchID. The problem is, at her age, the finger prints don't read reliably on TouchID. Now she has to type her passcode every time she opens her phone. It's a PITA.
 
Right but it still takes longer on a phone because there are more steps involved.
It is a worse experience using Apple Pay & that’s a fact.
my comment was about Apple keeping the same design for 3 generations
The difference is so inconsequential that no one cares. Apple may have kept the TouchID design for 3 generations but it seems that they are moving on now.
 
BRING BACK THE HOME BUTTON!
You can tap the back of the phone. 2/3 times depending on the preference you set in accessibility > touch settings.

I only found this out recently and it completely changed my (frustrated) point of view of losing the home button. Why it's buried in accessibility settings I have no idea.
 
Probably will also have only eSIM vs a SIM card. If there is no SIM card capability, then it will not be a big seller in poorer countries that have not be able to transition to the darn eSIMs.

So my iPhone 13 mini continues as my traveling iPhone when I do not want to pay my USA carrier an excessive premium to call outside of USA with my iPhone 16 Pro MAX.
China does not have eSim's so I'd guess there will be a Sim version at least outside of the USA (the iPhone there even has two sim slots!)

Pick up an unlocked one when you are traveling ;)
 
It won’t.

SE 4 will be 6GB RAM.

-Ain’t no way Apple is killing all iPhone 15 sales and a good chunk of iPhone 16/16 Plus sales just for a new <$499-$599 iPhone SE.
You will probably find that the current se & 14 models will get removed when this new model comes out & in September the 15’s will get removed so that’s why it will have Apple intelligence because all the official line up will going forward
 
The difference is so inconsequential that no one cares. Apple may have kept the TouchID design for 3 generations but it seems that they are moving on now.
what are you on about I don’t think the guy was saying keep Touch ID if you read the actual previous comment it was in regards to an iPhone 8 at the time. Why have you clipped something & not actually put it into context?
 
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-Ain’t no way Apple is killing all iPhone 15 sales and a good chunk of iPhone 16/16 Plus sales just for a new <$499-$599 iPhone SE.
The 15 would be fine, most consumers don't know about or care about RAM. Apple doesn't even advertise the amounts. They will see the Dynamic Island and two cameras and since it looks "better" if that's what they want they will go for it.
 
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The 15 would be fine, most consumers don't know about or care about RAM. Apple doesn't even advertise the amounts. They will see the Dynamic Island and two cameras and since it looks "better" if that's what they want they will go for it.
It’s still a bit rubbish to officially sell a phone that can’t get the main selling point of iPhones going forward
 
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It’s still a bit rubbish to officially sell a phone that can’t get the main selling point of iPhones going forward
I'm sure they want to get rid of it but they need to have phones at different price points so it may stick around until next year. It seems like a strange lineup but really the 15 should've been AI capable, the SE having AI support isn't the problem.
 
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