As I said earlier it will probably stick around to September & then get removed.
No the new se is not the issue
the issue is more launching a mobile about a year ago that can’t install it.
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No the new se is not the issue
the issue is more launching a mobile about a year ago that can’t install it.
Exactly. My mother got my old 11 Pro, and although I have enabled the Assistive Touch fake home button for here because the gesture navigation is hard on her hands, even she, coming from an iPhone 8, agrees Face ID is much more reliable and soooo effortless compared to Touch ID.
What exactly do you mean? Someone with only one working eye? That still works. If said person has trouble with Attention Awareness, that can be turned of in settings.
Do you really think the majority of people on this forum still use an iPhone with a home button?
Lol this again.
So, how exactly is Face ID worse?
I can name you multiple instances were it’s vastly superior to Touch ID on the spot.
Wet or dirty fingers, gloves, rain, cuts or other things in and on your fingers.
I’ll take a Face ID enabled phone in the kitchen every single time over any other iPhone.
I mean, if you’re a privacy focused person and have „show previews when locked“ off, not having to touch your phone in a specific spot with a specific finger to unlock it to simply glance at you notifications is a game changer after some time.
How about using them side by side, use Face ID for 2 months and then switch back. Whenever I need to use a backup iPhone with Touch ID I notice a real drop in QOL, it’s just less reliable and convenient and fast.
Would be nice they make a Product Red version of the iPhone SE and basic iPad.
That’s because iOS has been designed now for face id in mind not a home button anymore.
Buyers don’t know what RAM is, true. But they do know about Apple Intelligence and will pick the iPhone with more features over the one with less.
If SE 4 does get AI support (and thereby 8GB RAM) it will be a vastly higher value/$ than if it doesn’t.
Apple has been promoting AI too much for buyers to not care.
Whether SE 4 supports it or not will be a major factor in its success.
I just don’t see an SE out performing both iPhones 13, 14 and (to a large extent) 15 and its only major caveat is the rear-facing single camera. Certainly not at <$499.
I see two possibilities:
- SE 4 is an A18 iPhone 14 with 8GB RAM and 128GB storage. Supports AI. Starts at >$429-<$799. iPhone 15 drops from $699 to $599 or gets cut from the lineup entirely along with iPhone 14.
- SE 4 is an A18 iPhone 14 with 6GB RAM and 128 storage. Starts at the same $429 as SE 3 did, no price hike. Doesn’t support AI. iPhone 15 drops to $599. iPhone 14 gets cut from the lineup.
Apple would never offer two products this close in value. It would confuse most buyers.
There has to be big, obvious gaps in value/$ for an iPhone lineup to work. The 8/128 iPhone SE 4 offers too much value/$ compared to iPhones 15 and 16 at $599-$799.
They are not going to launch a new iPhone without Apple intelligence because that wouldn’t make sense going forward
In the context of the GOAT 🐐 discussion, and the SE1, a post I saw this morning did remind me that the iPhone 5 was also very close to perfect (was lacking TouchID and NFC/Apple Pay though)
But ... it was the pioneer on feeling impossibly light/thin in hand (nearly identical to SE1) and that Black
Oh, that black was just magic
Such a good looking device
😍
But ... it was the pioneer on feeling impossibly light/thin in hand (nearly identical to SE1) and that Black
Oh, that black was just magic
Such a good looking device
😍
He doesn't seem clued up on apples focus on apple intelligence on all new devices
8GB of ram is standard now
Considering iPhone 14 doesn't have USB-C it would make sense to have it covered. I actually like the $599 / $549 Pricing because it brings the possibility of a $499 / $449 iPhone SE Mini into the product range next year.
Picking up the phone does that already does that
If your phone is locked I find it convenient.
Imagine an iPhone 5 with Dynamic Island. For the same width of iPhone it will come with narrow bezels at 5" 19.5 to 9 Ratio but around 3mm shorter.
We could fit two small camera to improve the Camera quality without a bump. And hopefully a future with Solid State Battery this thing could last as long as current iPhone.
Sounds phenomenal --- really kills me they've just made basically everything now be "big", "bigger" and "huge"
Those aren't really "choices" in any meaningful sense
Now Imagine one without a Dynamic Island but instead some pixie magic instead for the front camera
uh, what?
You can say that iOS (and iPadOS) is designed for fluid gesture animation, but apart from that, until the Dynamic Island (DI) was introduced, you seldomly had more than a little Face ID animation on screen when unlocking something with it, may it be a note or a banking app.
DI integrated these and other on screen animation into one place. That’s it.
iOS was not designed for Face ID in mind. If anything it was the other way around at this point.
Yes, optimization for Touch ID devices is lackluster to say the least, but that’s because since the inception of the full screen iPhone X the previous form factor and design language became more and more irrelevant for Apple as fewer and fewer „old“ phones were sold. My mother had an iPhone 8, so in essence I know what you mean, but it’s not because Face ID. For example, look at basically all the iPads. Even the ones with a Home Button fully support gesture control because it made sense to streamline the experience across all iPad types so Apple could still sell lower cost iPads without having to explain why they don’t support certain swipe gestures. This was only really „possible“ because of the size of the screens. On Touch ID iPhones the swipe gestures would practically take place more in the middle of the device compared to at the bottom. They would also not fit as nicely as on the taller full screen iPhones. It’s basically because of the chin and the forehead.
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What are you going on about you made the comment that when you compare the 2 iPhones side by side Touch ID is worse and you just basically answered my point because the iPhone is now geared towards Face ID that’s why is experience is not as great.
At least 1 + n. n=days until SE is announced.
And what are you on about? How is the experience not as great with Face ID?
When closed, the size is 4" which we had in iPhone 4S.That is even bigger/heavier than the iPhones. I just don't see foldable or flip phones as an answer for those of us who just want a smaller phone.
The external 120Hz screen is brilliant and you can use social media, post comments, write messages, browse, watch YouTube etc. without opening the phone.
Here is how it looks near my iPhone 16.
Im Apple user since end of 90s and it's the first year where I didn't get the Pro version of an iPhone due to the size and weight which became bigger and bigger as well as dramatic decrease in iOS quality, simplicity and smoothness.
iPhones got ridiculously heavy and huge and I knew that the iPhone 16 will be the last for me after having the iPhone every year since 2007.
So I will continue using the brilliant MacBook Pro M4 Max, iPad Pro, Apple Watch, iMac, Apple TV, Homepods and all other Apple devices I've got.
But the iPhone needs to get a mini or a flip version to have me back.
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could be recency bias but i don't remember this much excitement over the 16 launch 🤣
Maybe that's the innovation we've all been after all along? a slimmed down price.
Maybe that's the innovation we've all been after all along? a slimmed down price.