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I’m pretty sure most SE users couldn’t care less about Apple Intelligence and would happily take the Dynamic Island over it. It’s genuinely very useful to keep an eye on things for any sort of multitasking.

Most iPhone 16 users don’t care about Apple Intelligless….ence 😎
 
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It's so weird to me that this differentiation is still a thing.

I think pinning live activities to the top "info area" of the screen is a neat feature, but not a system seller.

Apple chooses to restrict the feature to devices with hole punch displays, even though displays with a notch could easily support the feature with tiny modifications to the interface. This would probably give more incentive to developers to add the feature to their apps.

Heck, create a version of the feature for iPadOS and maybe macOS.

I guess Apple doesn't want to make the UX too consistent across devices.
 
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Not a surprise as the Dynamic Island apple obviously sees as a premium feature that is part of the modern iPhone. The SE / E is always going to be a generation behind how it looks.

And importantly, the SE / E is aimed at the sort of people who just don’t care they they have a phone without the Dynamic Island. I mean having an SE / E without a home button is a big deal.

Ditto as to why it will likely have one camera. Again, it’s the kind of people who just want to take a snapshot and have it be automatically good.

I do feel sorry for apple’s engineers who have to support out of date UI features long past their sell date though (button Home Screen now the notch Home Screen)

I’m interested how the 15 will fit into the pricing structure if the SE / E has apple intelligence - and they don’t. I’d not be surprised if they are removed from sale and we get an SE / E plus too.

On the other hand - if apple feels through can still sell out of date products they absolutely will.
 
It's so weird to me that this differentiation is still a thing.

I think pinning live activities to the top "info area" of the screen is a neat feature, but not a system seller.

Apple chooses to restrict the feature to devices with hole punch displays, even though displays with a notch could easily support the feature with tiny modifications to the interface. This would probably give more incentive to developers to add the feature to their apps.

Heck, create a version of the feature for iPadOS and maybe macOS.

I guess Apple doesn't want to make the UX too consistent across devices.
Perpetually adding new/altered features, design an UI elements to some devices but not others ensures there’s always plenty of reasons to upgrade to a newer model.

Apple doesn’t aggressively kill off your devices within a few years. So this is how they make us want to do it yourselves.

And while Apple may want to make UIs and designs more unified across products, that goal will never come before maximizing profits.

Furthermore, if iPhone, iPad, and Mac get too unified in form and function then buyers will be more likely to settle for one of them instead owning all three.

That’s (roughly) $1000 or $2000-$3000+ per consumer.

This is not just my idea or a theory -Apple literally made unique version of Logic Pro and Final Cut just for iPad.

-There will be no more unification of iPhone, iPad and Mac than that.
 
It's so weird to me that this differentiation is still a thing.

Probably to enforce a bit of the FOMO hype and also as a status symbold. People at a glance would see that while it looks like an iPhone 16... or 17 etc. It is just another version of different colors every year and how the cameras are arranged.

It's really superficial, but I guess it is working for Apple...
 
Apple isn't about to voluntarily condense their lineup when iPhone sales are struggling. At the end of the day, people care about cameras, otherwise the Pro/Max wouldn't sell. Having a phone with a single rear camera in 2025 is an embarrassment. Some people don't care, but most do.
Most people care about having a camera. They don’t know anything about tech details as long as the phone is able to take good pictures and selfies.
Typical iPhone SE user will be someone that want an iPhone at a cheaper price.
 
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The dynamic island is the most overrated thing about any iPhone, ever. Yes it looks cooler and more high tech than the notch, but it's not a feature.

I think what the iPhone SE absolutely needs is:

1) Better battery life
2) A chip that supports Apple Intelligence
3) MagSafe
4) USB-C
I travel for work often and I quite enjoy the island showing me timer when my uber will arrive as I do something else on the phone. Takes away the anxiety of cantingly switching apps. I think that if you use these phones for actual work productivity or travel, these features are useful. If you play with the phones or work a desk job, you dont need most of these features.
 
The dynamic island is the most overrated thing about any iPhone, ever. Yes it looks cooler and more high tech than the notch, but it's not a feature.

I think what the iPhone SE absolutely needs is:

1) Better battery life
2) A chip that supports Apple Intelligence
3) MagSafe
4) USB-C
Magsafe and better battery life are contradictory wishes. MagSafe coils take up space from the battery. Wireless charging is the most stupid feature, ever.
 
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Apple isn't about to voluntarily condense their lineup when iPhone sales are struggling. At the end of the day, people care about cameras, otherwise the Pro/Max wouldn't sell. Having a phone with a single rear camera in 2025 is an embarrassment. Some people don't care, but most do.
I find phones with more than one camera embarassing, but we are not the same. And I bet that half of the Pro users buy it for the bragging rights, not the camera.
 
I’m pretty sure most SE users couldn’t care less about Apple Intelligence and would happily take the Dynamic Island over it. It’s genuinely very useful to keep an eye on things for any sort of multitasking.

I like the notch over the dynamic island, personally. The only thing it does for me is accidently switch back to whatever app I was using when I'm trying to tap the top of the screen to scroll to the start of a website.

I don't care about Apple Intelligence either.

I find phones with more than one camera embarassing, but we are not the same. And I bet that half of the Pro users buy it for the bragging rights, not the camera.

This isn't 2017, no one is bragging about their Pro over something else. Everyone and their grandmother's brother has multiple-camera phones.

I suspect the majority of people with a Pro were talked into it by the sales person at the carrier shop or online via a deal; the whole "it's more expensive, so it must be higher quality" bit. I have one because my employer paid for it.. I'm not embarrassed by it, because what phone I'm carrying isn't important and worth being embarrassed by.
 
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I suppose that’s just like MFI. You don’t need to pay anything to create lightning or qi2 chargers but you do if you want your device certified.
For MFI you always needed to buy Apple Crypto chips. The MFI Protocol sends you a challenge you have to respond to using Apple chips. Those have to be integrated into certified devices and (as far as I remember) also the Lightning cables did include those chips. To get access to those chips you have to a member and your devices have to be certified.

The Qi2 standard follows FRAND licensing. Qi2 integrates MagSafe's magnetic alignment features.
 
Upgrading from an XR which is really dragging its feet now. Trying to decide whether to go for this SE or the 15. My concern is while the SE is a sensible option, it won't feel that different to my XR in hand. When you spend £500 you want to actually feel that it was worth it.
 
Having read through five pages of posts arguing both the benefits and drawbacks of Notches and Islands, and the best description thereof, I think I might have cracked it.
I propose calling either feature " The Dolly " in honour of the legend that is Dolly Parton, and her seminal song ( Dynamic ) " Islands in the Stream "
After all it was Dolly who famously stated " It costs a lot of money to look this cheap "
 
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I always called it "Dingsbums", that's German and the best translation to English i found is "thingamajig".
 
Well, yeah. You aren't going to buy the cheapest model and get most of what the more expensive phones have.
 
You... you genuinely think that the average person is going to judge somebody because their phone has "only" one camera lens? C'mon dude lol

LOL. Yeah you’re right. That’s why the Pro/Max sells so well. Nobody cares.
 
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LOL. Yeah you’re right. That’s why the Pro/Max sells so well. Nobody cares.
Maybe I'm out of touch, but while I do think there is some anti-Android sentiment out there from some people, I don't see a lot of non-Pro iPhone hate from the same people. ie. It seems to me the threshold for stupid stereotyping and discrimination is more iPhone vs Android, and not so much iPhone Pro vs iPhone non-Pro.

BTW, for Apple product placement in various TV shows, I often see the non-Pro iPhones being used. It's not as if they strictly use the Pro or Pro Max for product placement.
 
This isn't 2017, no one is bragging about their Pro over something else. Everyone and their grandmother's brother has multiple-camera phones.

I suspect the majority of people with a Pro were talked into it by the sales person at the carrier shop or online via a deal; the whole "it's more expensive, so it must be higher quality" bit. I have one because my employer paid for it.. I'm not embarrassed by it, because what phone I'm carrying isn't important and worth being embarrassed by.

It isn’t about bragging, but rather what’s the norm. Everybody has a phone with two or three or more lenses. Some phones have camera islands that cover half the rear chassis.

The majority of consumers believe having more lenses is better.

If everyone’s grandmother has a multi camera phone, the SE4 will stick out as a relatively low end device.
 
If everyone’s grandmother has a multi camera phone, the SE4 will stick out as a relatively low end device.

On the contrary, I think it will label it as a unique device.

..or you could just not pay attention to what other phones people are using. I don't pay attention, because I don't care.
 
Maybe I'm out of touch, but while I do think there is some anti-Android sentiment out there from some people, I don't see a lot of non-Pro iPhone hate from the same people. ie. It seems to me the threshold for stupid stereotyping and discrimination is more iPhone vs Android, and not so much iPhone Pro vs iPhone non-Pro.

BTW, for Apple product placement in various TV shows, I often see the non-Pro iPhones being used. It's not as if they strictly use the Pro or Pro Max for product placement.

The non-Pro phone represents the bulk of Apple’s sales. It’s an $800 phone and the majority of consumers are fine with it. Android can drop all the way down to $99 with Moto for example. Even that devices pretends to have two rear lenses.
 
The non-Pro phone represents the bulk of Apple’s sales. It’s an $800 phone and the majority of consumers are fine with it. Android can drop all the way down to $99 with Moto for example. Even that devices pretends to have two rear lenses.
My point is here in North America I have NEVER heard a real person say, "iPhone SE or iPhone non-Pro is for cheap people". However, I often see people heavily discouraging Android phone purchases (regardless if it's a high end model or some cheap junk) because it's not an iPhone and doesn't support the blue bubble.
 
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My point is here in North America I have NEVER heard a real person say, "iPhone SE or iPhone non-Pro is for cheap people". However, I often see people heavily discouraging Android phone purchases (regardless if it's a high end model or some cheap junk) because it's not an iPhone and doesn't support the blue bubble.
Anyone insisting on blue bubbles should consider using Signal ftw! 👍

/s

There are blue bubbles all over the place, but you can change the color also! ;)
 
My point is here in North America I have NEVER heard a real person say, "iPhone SE or iPhone non-Pro is for cheap people". However, I often see people heavily discouraging Android phone purchases (regardless if it's a high end model or some cheap junk) because it's not an iPhone and doesn't support the blue bubble.

Most consumers will look at an SE and think, "Oh, that's an older iPhone, like a 6 or something." No debate about the non-Pro.
 
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