iPhone SE and the missing barometer

[Channan]

Low end? The M8s is not really low end. http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_m8s-7165.php

By the way the specs on that page are off slightly the M8s was released with bluetooth 4.2 not 4.1.

EDIT:

Come to think of it my conclusions are worse than i thought. I mean my god look at the comparison page.

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=7165&idPhone2=7969

Yeah, look at that processor. Snapdragon 615? Not to mention updates. HTC doesn't their flagships for more than two years. Good luck getting any more updates on that phone.

 

[d-b]

I'm comparing them because of the form factor. That is pretty damn obvious no?



As we have covered exhaustively in this thread it's not. And todays keynote just emphasizes this for 3D touch to GREAT extent. If you read my comments about the barometer you will see things are bad. Very bad. I know its hard to accept. I feel bad about it myself.

edit:
As for not being available you make a good point. Finding a used device in truth be told condition with a healthy battery is a chore. But worth it IMHO.

edit2:
..... Especially if you can find a 5s that has BiteSMS support.

One person in this 14 pages thread, you, think the lack of barometer is a big problem. Are you Steve Jobs or what?

 

[I7guy]

I still just don't see how it's worth the investment. It comes with baggage and then after spending money on the device, the no-brainer coverage THEN if i want accessories even more it comes to around 550$ or more. That's if i chose the safe route & buy direct.
If i wanted to cut my teeth this bad on iOS i'll pickup two used 5s's. One on iOS 7 & one on 9, a ST warranty for one of them, and still save money.

The only way i could justify the cost is if I were already in bed with ApplePay (is apple pay one word or 2?) which i'm not. Is that bad? I hope not.

Fair enough, your opinion.

Low end? The M8s is not really low end. http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_m8s-7165.php

By the way the specs on that page are off slightly the M8s was released with bluetooth 4.2 not 4.1.

EDIT:

Come to think of it my conclusions are worse than i thought. I mean my god look at the comparison page.

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=7165&idPhone2=7969

Comparing specs as if that is all the phone is; forgetting about the ecosystem, support, etc.

 

[AVN6293]

I know what doppler shift is (you can actually observe it yourself by listening to the sirens of an ambulance driving fast towards you, passes by and then drive away from you). And I also know what Glonass is. I just want this guy to explain it in his own words, because the way he uses it does not make sense.

His own words? I can't tell if you are being insulting or whatnot there.
And I thought i was pretty clear dopplershift is a problem developers have been having for a while now. Think of the barometer as a anchor.
[doublepost=1466344275][/doublepost]

Yeah, look at that processor. Snapdragon 615? Not to mention updates. HTC doesn't their flagships for more than two years. Good luck getting any more updates on that phone.

Snapdragon 615 was actually released after the 801 and i believe after the 810 too if i recall correctly.
As for updates, i'm not really sure what android and HTC have been doing for updates. I haven't really had a chance to dive into what they have been doing lately. What I DO know is that i'm not restrained to just one operating system. On android I have my choice of any OS i want. I could probably even boot Darwin on it if i had enough time.

 

[Channan]

Snapdragon 615 was actually released after the 801 and i believe after the 810 too if i recall correctly.
As for updates, i'm not really sure what android and HTC have been doing for updates. I haven't really had a chance to dive into what they have been doing lately. What I DO know is that i'm not restrained to just one operating system. On android I have my choice of any OS i want. I could probably even boot Darwin on it if i had enough time.

This will be my last comment since this no longer has anything to do with an iPhone SE or a barometer, but the time the processor came out has nothing to do with its power. The Snapdragon 615 is less powerful than the 800 series, and far less powerful than the A9 in the iPhone SE.

 

[AVN6293]

This will be my last comment since this no longer has anything to do with an iPhone SE or a barometer, but the time the processor came out has nothing to do with its power. The Snapdragon 615 is less powerful than the 800 series, and far less powerful than the A9 in the iPhone SE.

You might be right when it comes to raw power. In fact i agree with you that the 615 might in fact be less powerful than the 800 series. That's just as well for me because it's available in the M8 which has similar if not better specifications.
As for the A9 cpu i'm not familiar with it. And you could very well be right when it comes to raw power.
I'm not interested in raw power at this juncture though, i'm far more interested in how many developers are going to develop for the new instruction sets.


And i think we can all agree atleast somewhat iOS **AND** even Android mobile app development has reached a marginal plateau.

So both the M8s and M8 have a barometer. Choice is good

 

[AVN6293]

Fair enough, your opinion.

Comparing specs as if that is all the phone is; forgetting about the ecosystem, support, etc.

I have to agree with you there, iOS has far better quality apps, right now anyways. There are some things like Cycloramic and Argus you just could never do on a android device. HTC support is ok though.

 

[Qbnkelt]

It's really a shame some of you are completely ignoring the finite technical aspects here. I just hope those of you who want to make informed purchases will look closely at the GPS/GNSS spec before making any purchases.

Also i heard someone earlier mention GLONASS was 3 meters. That was in the original spec for GLONASS but IRL tests show while lock times are quicker accuracy is still around the 4-5 meter range. A good improvement from the US s' GPS system but still insignificant.

GALILEO however should provide much better accuracy along with its SAR/SOS addon it will be a big step up for location services.
It still doesn't negate the need for the pressure sensor (which aids **ENVIRONMENT TEARDOWN**) in my humble opinion.

Oh I made an informed purchase. See, if I'm ever at the extreme conditions I'm reading on this thread, I would not rely on s phone to save my neck. If I'm going trekking where there are cliffs, I'm going to be relying on stand alone equipment.

I have no need for a pressure sensor. And if I do, I'd get one to do that specific job alone.

Honestly some of the reasons I'm reading here sound like people are expecting a phone to guide them over Mt. Everest on Dec 21.

 

[Qbnkelt]

I still just don't see how it's worth the investment. It comes with baggage and then after spending money on the device, the no-brainer coverage THEN if i want accessories even more it comes to around 550$ or more. That's if i chose the safe route & buy direct.
If i wanted to cut my teeth this bad on iOS i'll pickup two used 5s's. One on iOS 7 & one on 9, a ST warranty for one of them, and still save money.

The only way i could justify the cost is if I were already in bed with ApplePay (is apple pay one word or 2?) which i'm not. Is that bad? I hope not.

Then don't buy it. Simple. You're arguing about something you don't want. Why???

 

[AVN6293]

Then don't buy it. Simple. You're arguing about something you don't want. Why???

My anxiety mostly stems on how apple conducts its advertising. There are many out there that will make a uninformed purchase without really diving into the specs. Wasting both time & money. Maybe that's a little melodramatic at best but that's just the way I am.
In my eyes the SE is a under-cooked souffle`.



edit:
Then again, If I had it my way anyone who was *vested with android would be walkin around with a CA-201L -J, in their pocket too.

Minus the color trackball the only true successor to the N1.

 

[Qbnkelt]

My anxiety mostly stems on how apple conducts its advertising. There are many out there that will make a uninformed purchase without really diving into the specs. Wasting both time & money. Maybe that's a little melodramatic at best but that's just the way I am.
In my eyes the SE is a under-cooked souffle`.



edit:
Then again, If I had it my way anyone who was *vested with android would be walkin around with a CA-201L -J, in their pocket too.

Minus the color trackball the only true successor to the N1.

Personally I don't care one iota what the specs are. The extent of my interest is how the thing I am buying (fridge, car, phone, TV) fits into my life. If it does what I what it to do and I can expect support and a lifecycle that is acceptable to me, I buy it.

If my fridge, car, phone, TV does what I want, it's not money wasted. What I consider money wasted is buying on specs just for their own sake. That's when I see a fridge with a camera inside which is to me ridiculous or a car with back seat entertainment system when no one in my life uses it or a phone with VR suitable for gaming when I don't game or a TV with more features than I'll ever use since I can't for the life of me figure out the one I've currently got. I also see it with people who buy a horse that is clearly too much horse for the rider or a dog that's too intense for the sportsman, simply because they bought lines instead of horse. They bought specs.

Thing is not everyone is interested in specs. Not everyone is interested in overall package. People differ. To say that you have a problem with people who don't buy on specs places your value judgement on a use case that is not mine.

Your undercooked soufflé works better for me than my SGS7 edge. Why? Because of the whole experience. I hate the edges. I hate the stutter. I hate the bloat. So I prefer my SE. Now.....you can turn up your nose at my soufflé. But in the end, if I'm going to eat it and I like the taste, having understood all the ingredients, who are you to pass judgement on my soufflé????

 

[I7guy]

My anxiety mostly stems on how apple conducts its advertising. There are many out there that will make a uninformed purchase without really diving into the specs. Wasting both time & money. Maybe that's a little melodramatic at best but that's just the way I am.
In my eyes the SE is a under-cooked souffle`.



edit:
Then again, If I had it my way anyone who was *vested with android would be walkin around with a CA-201L -J, in their pocket too.

Minus the color trackball the only true successor to the N1.

You're worried about the world wasting time and money by purchasing a product that doesnt have a piece of hardware you deem critical?

Yes, it does seem melodramatic.

 

[C DM]

My anxiety mostly stems on how apple conducts its advertising. There are many out there that will make a uninformed purchase without really diving into the specs. Wasting both time & money. Maybe that's a little melodramatic at best but that's just the way I am.
In my eyes the SE is a under-cooked souffle`.



edit:
Then again, If I had it my way anyone who was *vested with android would be walkin around with a CA-201L -J, in their pocket too.

Minus the color trackball the only true successor to the N1.

Given how long this thread has been going in circles the part about being anxious in regards to wasting time certainly seems to be rather "interesting".

 

[AVN6293]

Personally I don't care one iota what the specs are. The extent of my interest is how the thing I am buying (fridge, car, phone, TV) fits into my life. If it does what I what it to do and I can expect support and a lifecycle that is acceptable to me, I buy it.

If my fridge, car, phone, TV does what I want, it's not money wasted. What I consider money wasted is buying on specs just for their own sake. That's when I see a fridge with a camera inside which is to me ridiculous or a car with back seat entertainment system when no one in my life uses it or a phone with VR suitable for gaming when I don't game or a TV with more features than I'll ever use since I can't for the life of me figure out the one I've currently got. I also see it with people who buy a horse that is clearly too much horse for the rider or a dog that's too intense for the sportsman, simply because they bought lines instead of horse. They bought specs.

Thing is not everyone is interested in specs. Not everyone is interested in overall package. People differ. To say that you have a problem with people who don't buy on specs places your value judgement on a use case that is not mine.

Your undercooked soufflé works better for me than my SGS7 edge. Why? Because of the whole experience. I hate the edges. I hate the stutter. I hate the bloat. So I prefer my SE. Now.....you can turn up your nose at my soufflé. But in the end, if I'm going to eat it and I like the taste, having understood all the ingredients, who are you to pass judgement on my soufflé????

lol Now who's being dramatic damn your souffle!

Can you explain what you mean exactly about hating the edges & shutter?

I can't really compare a fridge or tv purchase to a phone purchase. For many reasons. But mostly because I feel like my phone is a very intimate extension of myself in so many different ways.

 

[Qbnkelt]

lol Now who's being dramatic damn your souffle!

Can you explain what you mean exactly about hating the edges & shutter?

I can't really compare a fridge or tv purchase to a phone purchase. For many reasons. But mostly because I feel like my phone is a very intimate extension of myself in so many different ways.

The use of specs as the defining decision point assumes that all purchases would be made to specs and not use case. Therefore my analogies hold. If one is going to hold specs as the deciding point then that would apply to any purchase anytime. That's why specs re not something I follow.

Hey the soufflé was your analogy

On the stutter....my SGS7 edge catches/stutters on media heavy pages. So if I scroll to try to get, for example, to a specific date on FB, it stutters. Regarding the edges, they launch or type when I don't intend them to. So for example I'm constantly typing the letters p, l, backspace, or return when I don't want them to. If I use a case it renders the edge inaccessible when I do want to launch something in the edge.

Therefore, while the SGS7 outspecs my iPhone 6s Plus on paper, the experience is nowhere near as satisfying. So, I prefer my soufflé or my iPhone 6s Plus over the higher specced SGS7, making specs *not* my deciding factor when I make *my* informed decision for *my* preferred daily driver. (My SGS7 Edge is primarily a test device for my team.)

 

[AVN6293]

The use of specs as the defining decision point assumes that all purchases would be made to specs and not use case. Therefore my analogies hold. If one is going to hold specs as the deciding point then that would apply to any purchase anytime. That's why specs re not something I follow.

Hey the soufflé was your analogy

On the stutter....my SGS7 edge catches/stutters on media heavy pages. So if I scroll to try to get, for example, to a specific date on FB, it stutters. Regarding the edges, they launch or type when I don't intend them to. So for example I'm constantly typing the letters p, l, backspace, or return when I don't want them to. If I use a case it renders the edge inaccessible when I do want to launch something in the edge.

Therefore, while the SGS7 outspecs my iPhone 6s Plus on paper, the experience is nowhere near as satisfying. So, I prefer my soufflé or my iPhone 6s Plus over the higher specced SGS7, making specs *not* my deciding factor when I make *my* informed decision for *my* preferred daily driver. (My SGS7 Edge is primarily a test device for my team.)

Well you are comparing the SGS7 to the 6s which is hardly a fair fight. Samsung for the most part overall doesn't really make great devices like apple does. Apple uses a top QoS refining process in pretty much every aspect of their devices.
Which is why i bought 3 iPod nanos (two nano 7's and one nano 6). I use one for personal use with a custom built application i made using parts of nan0hail along with iMazing. The other for small mi-noot business purposes. And the N6 i keep FLAC audio on it.
Apple simply refines everything they do. It's one of the reasons they have been so successful in the past 3 years.
Some might even say they are a victim of their own success.

I just feel like leaving out the barometer (like many others here have stated) was sorta like removing the doorway to another world. It was and is to valuable a "linchpin" to overlook.

I actually haven't time to play around to much with the 6s in the apple store, my sisters friend has one and from what i have seen its a really sleek device. I like it. Happy you are happy with it

 

[Qbnkelt]

Well you are comparing the SGS7 to the 6s which is hardly a fair fight. Samsung for the most part overall doesn't really make great devices like apple does. Apple uses a top QoS refining process in pretty much every aspect of their devices.
Which is why i bought 3 iPod nanos (two nano 7's and one nano 6). I use one for personal use with a custom built application i made using parts of nan0hail along with iMazing. The other for small mi-noot business purposes.
Apple simply refines everything they do. It's one of the reasons they have been so successful in the past 3 years.
Some might even say they are a victim of their own success.

I just feel like leaving out the barometer (like many others here have stated) was sorta like removing the doorway to another world. It was and is to valuable a linchpin to overlook.

I'm confused. Why is comparing the iPhone 6s Plus to the SGS7 not fair? Isn't the SGS 7 Edge the top specced device that Samsung puts out at this time? I keep hearing how the iPhone 6s Plus lags in specs. Yet, in real life, it kills my SGS7. So I'm confused. Frankly I can say that I enjoy my SE over my SGS7. Hugely so.

Back to the barometer's absence on the SE and the extreme scenarios previously discussed, my two points are that I don't miss it at all and that if I needed it to make sure I don't fall off a cliff, I'd use specific equipment and not use a Swiss knife to try to do discrete measurement work.

 

[AVN6293]

I'm confused. Why is comparing the iPhone 6s Plus to the SGS7 not fair? Isn't the SGS 7 Edge the top specced device that Samsung puts out at this time? I keep hearing how the iPhone 6s Plus lags in specs. Yet, in real life, it kills my SGS7. So I'm confused. Frankly I can say that I enjoy my SE over my SGS7. Hugely so.

Back to the barometer's absence on the SE and the extreme scenarios previously discussed, my two points are that I don't miss it at all and that if I needed it to make sure I don't fall off a cliff, I'd use specific equipment and not use a Swiss knife to try to do discrete measurement work.

Well I have to imagine the swiss army knifes made by apple would be far better than the ones we have now

As for the GS7. It's really all in the quality of materials used, the QoS process, and level of support.
Now if you had said lets compare the Z10 to the iPhone 5 or something like that, i'd suggest taking a look at blackberries refining process which has always used shielding on all of its circuit boards unlike all other smartphone manufacturers. Kind of a bad example but i hope you get the idea.

You are walt mossberg to my Nikolai Tesla. You use a device for what it is and how long it has lasted you, I use a device as a very very intimate purchase much like buying a car or fine swiss clock.


@ All
One final point i wanted to make in this entire thread <sigh>... is if you take a look at other companies who have entered the smartphone market since the barometer was introduced in smartphones you will see their own R&D lead them to adding the barometer in their own devices.
amaz0n ...which i'm hesitant to mention , is one small example with their fire ph0ne.

Also probably a bad example but you see where i'm going with that.

 

[Qbnkelt]

Well I have to imagine the swiss army knifes made by apple would be far better than the ones we have now

As for the GS7. It's really all in the quality of materials used, the QoS process, and level of support.
Now if you had said lets compare the Z10 to the iPhone 5 or something like that, i'd suggest taking a look at blackberries refining process which has always used shielding on all of its circuit boards unlike all other smartphone manufacturers. Kind of a bad example but i hope you get the idea.

You are my walt mossberg to my Nikolai Tesla. You use a device for what it is and how long it has lasted you, I use a device as a very very intimate purchase much like buying a car or fine swiss clock.


@ All
One final point i wanted to make in this entire thread <sigh>... is if you take a look at other companies who have entered the smartphone market since the barometer was introduced in smartphones you will see their own R&D lead them to adding the barometer in their own devices. amaz0n which i'm hesitant to mention, is one small example with their fire ph0ne.
Also probably a bad example but you see where i'm going with that.

Hhhhhhmmmmm.....I use a device for what it does for me to include its dependability within its life cycle.

I've gone from Windows back in 2002 to BlackBerry in the 90s to iOS in 2009 to Android in 2010. On those years the one that's not let me down and which matches my lifestyle and which is dependable enough to be my daily driver is the iPhone. It's taken what I've dished out. That's why I use it. It's my work device and it's my personal device. Can't get any more intimate than that. If you want to use watch analogies as opposed to cuisine, It's my Omega to your Rolex, maybe. For all its cachet, my Rolex can't stand up to my Omega. So again, I'm more interested in the dependability of my Omega than the flash of my Rolex. Similarly I use my iPhone for its dependability, quality of customer service, App quality, integration to all aspects of my life, and UIX.

 

[Qbnkelt]

Oh and yes I once had a Z10. I was never happier than when it decided to leap into the dogs' water bowl.

 

[AVN6293]

Hhhhhhmmmmm.....I use a device for what it does for me to include its dependability within its life cycle.

I've gone from Windows back in 2002 to BlackBerry in the 90s to iOS in 2009 to Android in 2010. On those years the one that's not let me down and which matches my lifestyle and which is dependable enough to be my daily driver is the iPhone. It's taken what I've dished out. That's why I use it. It's my work device and it's my personal device. Can't get any more intimate than that. If you want to use watch analogies as opposed to cuisine, It's my Omega to your Rolex, maybe. For all its cachet, my Rolex can't stand up to my Omega. So again, I'm more interested in the dependability of my Omega than the flash of my Rolex. Similarly I use my iPhone for its dependability, quality of customer service, App quality, integration to all aspects of my life, and UIX.

If dependability is truly something that is important to you long term above all else you might want to look at updated versions of the G'zOne commando being sold only in japan. With it Mil specs and leatherman like feature set.
It could end up adding other opportunities you can obviously afford to try, and extra safety nets for you in the future.

Hard to purchase with english roms right now but maybe a adventure in itself.

I was also a windows phone user. I still own and use a Dash3G for initial meetings with clients.

It's a shame my blackberries couldn't catch up to the pack Maybe next year

 

[Qbnkelt]

If dependability is truly something that is important to you long term above all else you might want to look at updated versions of the G'zOne commando being sold only in japan. With it Mil specs and leatherman like feature set.
It could end up adding other opportunities you can obviously afford to try, and extra safety nets for you in the future.

Hard to purchase with english roms right now but maybe a adventure in itself.

I was also a windows phone user. I still own and use a Dash3G for initial meetings with clients.

It's a shame my blackberries couldn't catch up to the pack Maybe next year

Dependability within its life cycle is one of the things I value. I also listed several things that were important to me independent of dependability. I didn't weigh its importance in the overall decision for a purchase. But since I mentioned integration into my life, which would include banking, media, social media, family connections, I would not consider any other device because, of the platforms I've used, my iPhones suit me best. Therefore, having made an informed purchase, I don't feel the need to change my daily driver. Purchasing a device from Japan is not exactly conducive to having optimal customer service and support. Pretty difficult to schedule the equivalent of a Genius Bar appointment.
If you want to try BlackBerry, the 23rd will give you an idea of whether there is a "next year" for the hardware section.

So to return to the barometer and the SE, I haven't found a need for it, and if I ever go to the Cliffs of Moher in a deep fog, I'll take an analog barometer.

 

[5684697]

What do you people need a barometer for? Don't you know how tall you are?

 

[S.B.G]

Mod note: Thread has veered off topic a long time ago and its time to close it.