iPhone SE is Again Available From Apple's Clearance Site for $249

Sony suck at marketing. They got awesome hardware, but no one knows about them.

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Because they also change the market which ultimately leads to less choices that I preferred.

 

Yes they do know how to make hardware, I’ll give you that.

It’s tough (in fact nearly impossible) to fight the universe.

 

My professor once told us this:
Reasonable people changes oneself to fit into the world.
Unreasonable people changes the world to fit oneself, but it is the unreasonable people that made the changes to our world.

 

The apple customers who aren’t interested in an SE are the unreasonable people? Interesting hypothesis.

 

I believe you got it backwards.
People that don't follow the herd are the unreasonable people.

 

What herd? Are you saying directly that people who buy Apple products have a herd mentality?

 

I don't think that this expression applies to consumers. Unreasonable consumers are usually just OCD but with little control to change the outcome (because the herd will drown them).

On the other hand, an unreasonable engineer/designer can come up with something radical and noteworthy.

Jobs certainly qualified as one of those.
https://www.businessinsider.com/what-it-was-like-to-work-at-apple-under-steve-jobs-2015-6

It is usually very frustrating to work for/with such people (because they are unreasonable).

 

I am saying that people who just follow the crowd is a herd.

 

How does this relate to apple products and their customers. Unless I’m totally off the mark, it sounds like a back-handed diss.

 

Apple should make available about 10% of the number of iPhones it plans to sell every year in the iPhone SE frame size. It will tell them if there is a market for that size form.

The inference is that post iPhone 5S, the people who embraced the "gigantic" size of iPhone 6 and iPhone 6+ are the flock that got shepherded. There were about 169 million 4" form iPhone 5S were sold in the previous year, when it was released. Next year, that choice was gone - the much bigger iPhone 6 and iPhone 6+ were the only "new" iPhones available.

No logical (or scientific) study can conclude that the market for the 4" form factor did not exist from September 09, 2014! It was not manufactured/released anymore.

The major sheep here was Apple itself, aping the Android smartphones.

 

So here we have it...
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/01/29/apple-1q-2019-results/

Like it or not, small form factor phone customers (me included) are in a minority.

 

Not really; its what companies serve and they copy each other and do not provide smallish form factor; just watch when samsung releases their smallish phones soon which unfold or extend apple will follow like sheep to make small again; they copied samsung with brick phones (and left their best even SE phone without updates and even without updates) and now soon will copy them to make small again;;they have no guts to innovate anymore and when public is left with whatever phones they dish-out, many will just buy those

 

If that were true, why do the plus/max models outsell the smaller one in any given year?

 

Is this true - plus/max models outsell the smaller one?

Even if it is true, how does it negate the non-plus buyers size, or indicate that no one wants the SFF, the phone that fits in your hand?

Make the SFF available with the same specs that the non-plus and plus sizes, never mind the extra cameras. If Apple does not sell enough to cover production costs, they can discontinue the product.

When more than one size of the same model is offered, one will sell more than another; doesn't mean we have to shoot the second best into space and make just one size of each year model.

 

I'm going by data posted in one of the other threads. When released, 8 plus outsold the 8. Likewise for XSM and XS.

However, when we look a year later, usually the smaller phone outsells the bigger one.

It seems to say that when money is no object (those who buy near launch), a bigger screen is preferred. But when the customer is cost conscious (those who buy last year's model), they buy what is cheaper (smaller screen).

This is kind of like SUVs and sedans. One may think that people buy SUVs only because that is what manufacturers are building, but that is not what the data says. When the RAV4 outsells the Camry, it's pretty clear what consumers want.

 

Thats simple logic: There is no smaller phone available and even when SE was available it was never updated thus you only have large brick phones which (screen wise) are ok but practically/funstionally horrible as you cannot use with one hand and are annoying to carry as they do not fold etc etc

 

I was able to snag an SE from Apple’s clearance site during the second round, but was told it would take a week to arrive at the Apple Store. When I went to pick it up on the arrival date indicated, it wasn’t there. Fair enough, as there was an incoming snow storm. A few days later I received a call saying the phone was at the store. But, when I went to pick it up, I was told that I “ordered it wrong,” and was berated for this to the extent that I walked out without it. Hard to believe from a company that’s having difficulty selling phones, I know.

Regardless, forget the SE 2... Apple should just build an XE as the next step.

 

Sorry you went through that.

When I was nearly berated for trading in my 7+ for an 8+, after politely saying No thank you to X this and X that. I am not interested in Face ID etc., I very calmly told this specialist “Be grateful you’re making a sale because if you keep this up, you can go F$&@ yourself and any trade in.”

Just like that her nasty-doing-me-a-favor-attitude vanished. She checked herself immediately.

There’s no excuse for that kind of treatment.

 

Wow - a salesperson in Apple berated the customer/s! How does this happen? Weren't there people around you within earshot, or supervisors? I can imagine a salesperson defensively shout when assaulted, but just because the order was wrong or not to his/her satisfaction they get to berate the customer?!

How did they conclude that you "ordered it wrong?"

 

I cannot speak for the poster who tried to buy their SE in store, but my specialist could barely be bothered to working for a start and became increasingly annoyed I wasn’t interested in any X phone. I wasn’t going to be her punching bag.

I would definitely email Tim Cook and complain about that store and “you’re ordering it wrong.”

When I had three failed iPhone activation attempts by increasingly rude specialists in a two week span in Dec 2016, Cook’s people got that complaint to the store leader who made it right.

For me, since Fall 2016, it’s increasingly rare to get cordial, helpful support from Apple staff in store or on the phone.

 

I was told by the salesperson, “The manager said, ‘you ordered it wrong’ as you ordered it for home delivery, but mistakenly had it shipped to our store intead.” This was a false statement for two reasons; first, I don’t even know the store’s address because it’s in a mall, and second, I requested ship-to-store so as not to have to pay a shipping charge, but there was no shipping charge listed on the receipt, proving me right. When I tried to explain this to the salesperson, they just kept saying, “But, the manager said...” When I asked to speak to the manager, they blew it off, so I tossed the phone back and said, “cancel the order.” Even if I had “ordered it wrong,” I should not have been continually told so as if it was some grand mistake.

 

https://www.macrumors.com/push/

 

Requires OSX, to which I don’t have but thanks for the link.

 

So, I just picked mine up on Friday, and already, I'm going to have to take it back. Up until now, this has been my favorite phone ever, but today I tried using some EarPods with it (I'm not sure why I didn't immediately test this) and yep. Looks like the headphone jack is broken. Nothing but static until I turn the volume up to max. Then as soon as I lower the volume again, back to static. Doesn't work for music. Doesn't work for calls. Doesn't work for videos. So incredibly disappointed by this. And I know this is not a problem with my headphones. Tried them on my computer and it was fine. Then I took the new EarPods (the ones that came newly packaged with the phone) and I have the exact same issue. The jack is definitely messed up somehow. Any chance I'm able to get a replacement, or do you think they've cleared out all the remaining stock already? This is really the only phone I want. I hope the SE2 rumors lead to something incase they aren't able to get me a replacement...

 

When I picked up my clearance SE at the Apple Store I commented that I felt Apple should not have eliminated the small form factor.

The response was "Yeah, people who only want to use it as a phone love the SE."...