iPhone SE Specs Include 1821mAh Battery and 3GB RAM, According to Chinese Carrier Listing

[PickUrPoison]

when will they stop referring to flash as ROM? it is beyond stupid.

Who is they? China Telecom?

 

[maunders]

when are we likely to see reviews?

 

[johnnylarue]

WTF, no LiDAR??? What is this phone from the 80s or something? /s

Btw if anyone has any suggestions for what I can actually do with the LiDAR camera on my new iPad I’m all ears. (I’ve already measured my couch fwiw.)

 

[Zwhaler]

Phones are not just a SoC, I've never understood this obsession with SoC, I mean it would have been better to have a A12 but an OLED screen with smaller border.
Honestly, the S9 is often discounted around 350-400$ and it's a better value BUT it doesn't have iOS which is the real deal there, but that's not the point of the argument wich speak about the spec and not the whole device experience

I agree with you, which is why I like Android phones, but an S9 is already on the chopping block for updates whereas the SE will last at least 4 years (a big reason why SoC matters).

Not to mention you're comparing a two year old used phone with a brand new phone that was announced April 15, 2020. Used iPhone XS can be had for just under $500. What new Android phone compares?

 

[EM2013]

Honestly, it's not worth upgrading over the iPhone 8.

 

[44267547]

when are we likely to see reviews?

I guess it depends what kind of ‘reviews’ you want to read/watch. In terms of tech critic reviews, those should be surfacing quickly, but in terms of actual ‘user reviews’, that’s what matters most to me, is there more practical without any scripted lines.

 

[tennisne1]

Disappointed with the battery life. I thought with the 3D Touch removal, there would be a slight increase, even if it was just 1/2 hours. The battery life on the 8 is just shocking.

iPhone 11 with the A13 had ~6% battery life increase over the XR with the A12. Both the 11 and the XR have same battery size.

If the new SE has the same battery size as the 8, my guess is that in the real world we will most likely see ~6-10% battery life increase with the new SE since the 8 as the A11. Further guessing, Apple probably knows battery life would be one of the main decision drivers to possibly upgrade to the 11 and wants to further distinguish the 11 from the new SE and intentionally do not want to advertise increase in battery life.

The new SE has enough bells and whistles for me to consider switching from my current phone (Note 10 Plus), but hesitant going with a smaller phone in general due to shorter battery life.

Still considering the new SE because it's such a great value in my opinion.

 

[Cosmosent]

● FYI, while DRAM Manufacturers produce 3 GB, 4 GB & 6 GB chips, & (future) iPhones & iPads (will) include such chips, that's NOT the Amount of DRAM Available to iOS, or to Mobile Apps !

 

[mi7chy]

For those concerned about 1821mAh battery, Apple's SoC and iOS are efficient so they only need half the capacity that's needed for Android phones. Wouldn't be surprised to see 8 to 10 hours screen on time.

 

[zorinlynx]

Honestly, it's not worth upgrading over the iPhone 8.

The biggest market I suspect will be iPhone 6 users. The 6 actually feels pretty damn slow these days, unlike the 6S and newer. It was also left behind on iOS 12.

This phone will be an excellent less expensive upgrade to current-gen tech for people who still have their 6 and want to keep the form factor.

 

[SeattleMoose]

hoping for same size as original SE - nope (bigger)
hoping for headphone jack - nope (gone...same as all the phablets)
hoping for physical home button - yep

Already knew the guts would be refreshed so meets only 1 out of of 3 requirements to be considered a "classic" iPhone.
Disappointed.....

 

[ingambe]

I agree with you, which is why I like Android phones, but an S9 is already on the chopping block for updates whereas the SE will last at least 4 years (a big reason why SoC matters).

Not to mention you're comparing a two year old used phone with a brand new phone that was announced April 15, 2020. Used iPhone XS can be had for just under $500. What new Android phone compares?

Yes that's why I was speaking only from a spec perspective.
But to be honest Samsung is really good for that, compare to other Android manufacturer

I was talking about a brand new one, they are still some new S9 on the market
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hoping for same size as original SE - nope (bigger)
hoping for headphone jack - nope (gone...same as all the phablets)
hoping for physical home button - yep

Already knew the guts would be refreshed so meets only 1 out of of 3 requirements to be considered a "classic" iPhone.
Disappointed.....

People needs to stop wishing for headphones jack, Apple will not put it back

 

[freakomac]

There is something in that Chinese list which read '3.5mm', wonder what it refers to considering it doesn't have a headphone jack.

 

[johnnylarue]

There is something in that Chinese list which read '3.5mm', wonder what it refers to considering it doesn't have a headphone jack.

My Chinese is rough but I’ll give it a shot:

“Fully compatible with Apple Lightning to 3.5mm stereo iDongle (sold separately).” 😏

 

[ani4ani]

Not to mention another 5 years of guaranteed software updates. iPhone 7 should stop getting the latest OS in the next two years.

This really does blow out of the water anything else in this price range from other makers in terms of features and guaranteed software life cycle.

hmm...I’m not so sure you’re right. First, will people be worried about “another” 5 years of software updates for a phone that will be a 11 year old design by then? How many folks are using an iPhone 3G now ( amother 11 year old phone?)

Then there are plenty of phones much cheaper it competes with that offer far better value, e.g. Galaxy A51 which in the UK is £150 cheaper and has more RAM, twice the storage, MicroSD, 4 cameras, bigger-higher resolution OLED screen, twice the battery size, headphone jack, under screen touch etc. Ok slower CPU and no iOS, but still very appealing. Then you have the new TCL’s, Pixels, all pretty appealing.
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For those concerned about 1821mAh battery, Apple's SoC and iOS are efficient so they only need half the capacity that's needed for Android phones. Wouldn't be surprised to see 8 to 10 hours screen on time.

...for about 6 months. I have a 6s, purchased refurbished with a new battery just over a year ago. The battery capacity is down to 77% and I get maybe 4 hours of SoT now. (Or 90 minutes of Fieldrunners2!) I get about a day in standby with 60 minutes of calls.

 

[tennisne1]

hmm...I’m not so sure you’re right. First, will people be worried about “another” 5 years of software updates for a phone that will be a 11 year old design by then? How many folks are using an iPhone 3G now ( amother 11 year old phone?)

Then there are plenty of phones much cheaper it competes with that offer far better value, e.g. Galaxy A51 which in the UK is £150 cheaper and has more RAM, twice the storage, MicroSD, 4 cameras, bigger-higher resolution OLED screen, twice the battery size, headphone jack, under screen touch etc. Ok slower CPU and no iOS, but still very appealing. Then you have the new TCL’s, Pixels, all pretty appealing.
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...for about 6 months. I have a 6s, purchased refurbished with a new battery just over a year ago. The battery capacity is down to 77% and I get maybe 4 hours of SoT now. (Or 90 minutes of Fieldrunners2!) I get about a day in standby with 60 minutes of calls.

While the new SE retains mostly the same design and form factor of the iPhone 6, the internals and the capabilities have been upgraded incrementally every year up to a point that you can argue that the new SE is completely different phone from the original iPhone 6 (IP rated, better processor, AI/ML, better camera, better speakers, no 3.5mm jack, wireless charging, etc).

Personally, I have never used a phone for more than 3 years (other than my original iPhone SE that I use as a backup phone that I still have, which was released in March 2016). However, I do like the option that the phone will be supported in terms of hardware and software for up to 4 or 5 years in case I do decide to use that phone for that long.

I'm currently a Note 10 Plus user and the thing that gets me is that Samsung won't support Android upgrades beyond 2 years on a $1,200 phone, while Apple will support upgrades for way longer on a $400 phone.

I also need to mention service support. I had a cracked screen and 2 battery replacements on various iPhones in the past. All 3 issues were taken care of within a day at an Apple store. I had a cracked screen on a Note 8 that I had to send to Samsung in Texas for repairs. Took 3 weeks to get my phone back after they received the phone.

Not arguing what is value because value is in the eye of the beholder, but value for me goes beyond hardware spec's.

 

[ingambe]

Personally, I have never used a phone for more than 3 years (other than my original iPhone SE that I use as a backup phone that I still have, which was released in March 2016). However, I do like the option that the phone will be supported in terms of hardware and software for up to 4 or 5 years in case I do decide to use that phone for that long.

I'm currently a Note 10 Plus user and the thing that gets me is that Samsung won't support Android upgrades beyond 2 years on a $1,200 phone, while Apple will support upgrades for way longer on a $400 phone.

It's factually false, the proof being that Galaxy S7 (4 years old phone) just got their last update a week ago: https://9to5google.com/2020/03/31/galaxy-s7-march-2020-security-update

Also, recent Android smartphone support project treble which allows for easier and faster Android update, so it will improve in a near future

 

[tennisne1]

It's factually false, the proof being that Galaxy S7 (4 years old phone) just got their last update a week ago: https://9to5google.com/2020/03/31/galaxy-s7-march-2020-security-update

Also, recent Android smartphone support project treble which allows for easier and faster Android update, so it will improve in a near future

The link you provided is for a security update and not an Android upgrade.

The Galaxy S7 got its last major Android update in 2018 with the arrival of Android Oreo, but two years after that and almost exactly four years since the S7 and S7 Edge launched, these devices are still getting security updates.

It’s absolutely great to see Samsung living up to pushing security updates for this long. If only the company would do the same for full Android updates!

 

[Darth Tulhu]

This device is just Apple being clever with their resources. Why hand over the mid-range (low-end?) market to the competition? It's about time they started playing this game.

I wish Apple would trot out more their old tech with updated internals on the MBP side, so as to skip the 2016-2020 era and even go as far as 2011 (17" MBP. YES). Seems this is limited to the iOS camp though, I mean, that's where the money is after all.

They did trot out the new old keyboard though, so there's that. And an all-ultrabook laptop lineup is not as bad today as it was 4-9 years ago (damn you soldering irons).

Then again, I wouldn't want old MBAir bezels again...
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While the new SE retains mostly the same design and form factor of the iPhone 6, the internals and the capabilities have been upgraded incrementally every year up to a point that you can argue that the new SE is completely different phone from the original iPhone 6 (IP rated, better processor, AI/ML, better camera, better speakers, no 3.5mm jack, wireless charging, etc).

Personally, I have never used a phone for more than 3 years (other than my original iPhone SE that I use as a backup phone that I still have, which was released in March 2016). However, I do like the option that the phone will be supported in terms of hardware and software for up to 4 or 5 years in case I do decide to use that phone for that long.

I'm currently a Note 10 Plus user and the thing that gets me is that Samsung won't support Android upgrades beyond 2 years on a $1,200 phone, while Apple will support upgrades for way longer on a $400 phone.

I also need to mention service support. I had a cracked screen and 2 battery replacements on various iPhones in the past. All 3 issues were taken care of within a day at an Apple store. I had a cracked screen on a Note 8 that I had to send to Samsung in Texas for repairs. Took 3 weeks to get my phone back after they received the phone.

Not arguing what is value because value is in the eye of the beholder, but value for me goes beyond hardware spec's.

We're getting close to the time when the 2-year upgrade cycle for phones is unnecessary, given the power and RAM inside the devices. I'd say we're already there with this current gen, including the new SE.

Now, regarding the Note 10, what software feature are you looking to get on that device that you don't have now? Apple and (Galaxy) Android updates are like apples and oranges. With Apple you get missing features you wish you had two years ago baked into the OS, but with the Galaxy devices you're (at least) 2 years ahead. EDIT: Apple has closed this gap considerably, but only by splitting iPadOS out, keeping some of the limits on iOS.

I'm currently on a Note8 and there is NOTHING I want (again, on the software side) from a newer Note, and there will be features I WILL MISS if I switch to iPhone (which I'm planning to do soon enough). If it wasn't for burn-in, and my wish to re-integrate back into my existing Apple ecosystem, I'd keep this Note for even longer.

 

[tennisne1]

Now, regarding the Note 10, what software feature are you looking to get on that device that you don't have now? Apple and (Galaxy) Android updates are like apples and oranges. With Apple you get missing features you wish you had two years ago baked into the OS, but with the Galaxy devices you're (at least) 2 years ahead. EDIT: Apple has closed this gap considerably, but only by splitting iPadOS out, keeping some of the limits on iOS.

I'm currently on a Note8 and there is NOTHING I want (again, on the software side) from a newer Note, and there will be features I WILL MISS if I switch to iPhone (which I'm planning to do soon enough). If it wasn't for burn-in, and my wish to re-integrate back into my existing Apple ecosystem, I'd keep this Note for even longer.

Nothing really related to software features. Although, iMessage, Facetime, and Find My Iphone will come in handy because rest of my family all have iPhones.

Just getting tired of "lugging" around a phone as big as the Note 10 Plus. I still have the Note 8 (also have burn-in even on the screen that got replaced late last year). Note 10 Plus feels much bigger than the Note 8 (both wider and taller) and makes the Note 4 look miniscule.

One feature on the Note 10 Plus I might miss is the split screen. I would occasionally watch YouTube and surf the web on the browser or have a split screen to text with my friends while I watch YouTube.

 

[sakurarain]

I will purchase one for my dad, he just broke the screen of his Xiaomi MIX2 several days ago (btw. He refuses the iPhone with Face ID), but unfortunately there is no PLUS-model, a bigger display will make him much happier....

 

[Macbookprodude]

If its from China, don't listen to it - it may have a coronavirus in it - honestly, we should NOT trust anything from Communist China, EVER !

 

[Darth Tulhu]

Nothing really related to software features. Although, iMessage, Facetime, and Find My Iphone will come in handy because rest of my family all have iPhones.

Just getting tired of "lugging" around a phone as big as the Note 10 Plus. I still have the Note 8 (also have burn-in even on the screen that got replaced late last year). Note 10 Plus feels much bigger than the Note 8 (both wider and taller) and makes the Note 4 look miniscule.

One feature on the Note 10 Plus I might miss is the split screen. I would occasionally watch YouTube and surf the web on the browser or have a split screen to text with my friends while I watch YouTube.

Yes, the Note 10 is huge. I like that, but I can see how it's not for everybody.

My biggest pet peeve with screens now (aside from burn-in) is the aspect ratio.

I really liked the Note3-Note5 size and aspect...those devices had just about the perfect screens for me.

And I really like the centered dot cam on the new Notes (over the notch at least, I'd actually rather have a pop-up front cam).

But I'm also in your situation, where everyone in the family moved to iPhone, and my inlays have been Apple for a while. And Apple has caught up enough with features to make the transition not as painful for me (I've been working out on my wife's iPhone & iPad in preparation for the shift). It WILL hurt, but in all it's for the best in my situation.
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If its from China, don't listen to it - it may have a coronavirus in it - honestly, we should NOT trust anything from Communist China, EVER !

You might want to avoid listening to that fox playing that trumpet exclusively. Expand your musical palate, mate, 'cause it's likely to mess up your hearing if you don't and going tone deaf is no joke.

 

[pbasmadj]

Upgrading from the iPhone 8, this is looking like a mostly ideal phone for my use.
Anyone clear on if the camera is totally different from the 8? they do say "best single lens camera in an iPhone ever", so I presume that means it is new.

Was a little disappointed with battery not being better but oh well.

Other factors are having a fresh new phone and being under warranty, AppleCare+, and so forth, solid play that will last years, this phone is on point with my usage. Will be nice to have the upgraded processor and presumably ram as well.

 

[FlyingDutch]

i disagree, but I agree that there won’t be many people upgrading from the 8 to it. It’s mostly for people in the 6/6s/7 world. From that realm it’s a fantastic upgrade at a fantastic price.

I think it is meant for people coming from the previous iPhone se.
People still looking for a “small” smartphone.
It is not small like an iPhone SE 1st gen, for sure, but it is substantially smaller than everything else.
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Honestly, it's not worth upgrading over the iPhone 8.

It is much faster than iPhone 8. Much faster.
By the way, I don’t think iPhone 8 users are its market target.
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In Europe, it's between 479 and 499 euros, in my opinion, it is worthy to put a bit more and get the Xr
It's a nice update, the same kind of update between the 2018 iPad Pro and the 2020, you get more for less, always nice

If you are looking for an iPhone SE, you surely don’t want an XR.
It is much bigger and heavier.
And the new iPhone SE is better in almost every single point.
So you are happy to pay more to get less. 🤔
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Is the battery life really that bad? I currently have the SE which barely lasts me 3 hours of constant use. On any normal day before quarantine I’d be out of the house at 8 am and home at 7 - 9 pm, so I’d always have to have a charger on me which got tedious and now I want to upgrade for when things get back to normal. I don’t need a super amazing battery life, just one that gets me through the day.

I was waiting for the new SE to come out since that seemed to be the perfect price point, but over here it’s €500 and everyones saying the battery life isnt good.. which was the whole reason I want to upgrade. Now I’m seriously considering upgrading to an XR/11 instead just for that battery life even though its specs are definitely overkill for my usage.

If battery life is your major concern, buy an iPhone 11.