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Right?? Come on Apple.

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There will never be a $200 iPhone.
I could see Apple keeping the current 2020 4G iPhone SE and dropping the price to $329-349 and have one or two storage options and only one color. (Black)
 
actually the more I think about it, I think the new SE+5G will replace the 11 at $499, and the current SE will remain at $399.
So the entire lineup will be 5G, except for their cheapest phone.
So:
SE: $399
SE+5G: $499
And then the 12 mini and up obviously all have 5G already
The iPhone 12 mini is at $599 and expected to be $499 when iPhone 14 arrives.

So SE+ 5G will likely stay at $399. Not to mention I expect a price hike for iPhone 14. $899 for iPhone 14 Max and Pro starts at $1099.
 
Guys, stop with these wishlists and think about what Apple has actually done with previous SEs.

For iPhones SE, Apple will never

  • Do a completely new design for chassis/body or unique display/chassis combination. Why? Because that adds significant r&d costs.
  • Give it any key features that are better than or equal to the current flagship iPhone. Key features are display size/quality, camera setup, Face ID, and these are deliberately kept outdated/less attractive to underline the added value of going for a current, flagship iPhone.
The key takeaway is that iPhones SE have always older iPhones with careful selection of upgraded components/features, not new iPhones with new designs. Therefore, the most likely future SEs are some of the most boring you can think of:

(in order of likelihood)

  1. A new 4.7" SE 2020(aka iPhone 8) with a A14 or A15 chip, slightly better cameras, added 5G support, 4GB RAM, new color options, slightly brighter display. Base model is now 128GB, still starts at $399. Makes a lot of sense to put this out now as many consumers want 5G. Most likely.
  2. An iPhone 8 Plus with A14-A15 chip, slightly better cameras, added 5G support, 4GB RAM, new color options. Base model is 128GB. Less likely.
  3. A slightly upgraded but also downgraded iPhone XR/11: A15-A16 chip(depends on launch), slightly better cameras, added 5G support, NO Face ID but a new iPad Air-style Touch ID side-button. Most other features same as iPhone 11, still 4GB RAM. This "new" 11 wouldn't drop in 2022, but more likely in 2023-2024. Overall unlikely.
  4. Slightly upgraded/downgraded iPhone 13 mini: Most 13 mini features are unchanged but OLED display is cut for an LCD, Face ID cut for iPad Air-style Touch ID side-button, A15-A16 chip (depends on launch date). Maybe very good battery life because of lower resolution LCD display and A15-A16 chip. Not likely for 2022. Overall very unlikely.
 
I could see Apple keeping the current 2020 4G iPhone SE and dropping the price to $329-349 and have one or two storage options and only one color. (Black)
The 2016 1st Gen SE was already cut by the 2018 lineup.

If Apple follows previous patterns, SE 2020 should leave no later than when iPhone 14 launches, when the 2022 lineup is announced at this year's iPhone event.

Think about it -Apple has consistently(!) never had iPhone lineups spanning more than three generations of mains chips for any lineup:
2015: A7, A8, A9
2016: A9, A10
2017: A9, A10, A11
2018: A10, A11, A12
2019: A11, A12, A13
2020: A12, A13, A14
2021: A13, A14, A15

So, unless Apple switches it's very successful launch strategy, all iPhones with A13 chips are gone from the lineup when iPhones 14(A16) launch in late 2022.

The only way for SE 2020 to stay is if Apple puts an A14 or A15 in it.

This means a 4.7" "SE 2022" with A15 and 5G launches in Q1-Q2, probably.

However, SEs being cut entirely from late 2022 and only coming back in Spring 2024 (with an upgraded iPhone 11) is equally likely.

1st SE launched in 2016, 2nd in 2020. So SE "3" should follow in 2024.
 
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Ok I think I’ve figured this out.

The iPhone SE 2022 (4.7”) is meant to be the last iPhone for Home Button aficionados. It won’t be discontinued next year once Apple releases the iPhone SE Plus (5.7”) alongside the now 1-year-old iPhone SE 2022.

Being the last of its kind, it’s getting a “swan song” update with 5G and A15. That’s the model Home Button lovers will have to hang to until it’s discontinued a couple of years down the line.

Whereas the 2023 iPhone SE Plus will be the first notch-based iPhone SE.

If you look at it this way, it makes sense for them to be spaced only 12-13 months apart. They’re different products and they need room to breathe (attention, coverage, etc.).

So the iPhone line-up in spring 2023 could look something like this
- iPhone 14 and 14 Max
- iPhone 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max
- iPhone SE 2022
- iPhone SE Plus 2023
- the usual assortment of previous years iPhones to fill the various price tiers

(and yes I’m assuming the “Plus” moniker is flying around Apple campus but some leakers like Young himself are mistakenly associating it to the 2022 iPhone SE whereas actually it’s meant for the 2023 notch-based iPhone SE; by the way I vaguely remember a Gurman column from 1-1.5 years ago where he correctly called the future borderless larger-display SE “Plus”, but I may be wrong)
This!

I think the screen will be deliberately smaller than the XR, as I’d imagine that apple has research saying that for many iPhone 12 & 13 purchasers, a big clear screen is a primary consideration.

So if that’s the case, it makes sense to put some distance between what will be the low end notch phone and the (more expensive) ranges that apple would prefer you to buy.
 
Interesting, if we consider that none of the SE iPhones released so far had any chassis design differences from their predecessors, so SE 2016 was a boosted iPhone 5S and SE 2020 “inherited” iPhone 8 body. So far SE has been a “reuse & recycle” model, keeping R&D and production costs to a minimum. Yet so far no 5.7” iPhone was ever made by Apple. What gives? ??‍♂️
Exactly. Apple has never done anything but a "recycle and upgrade" for SE iPhones so there's absolutely no reason to expect any different.

Whatever the next SE will be, it's only ever going to be an old model with the same old display quality and dimensions. Upgrades to expect are main chip and front and back cameras.

Apple has never taken an older iPhone and switched the display dimensions while keeping the same body, or built a new body around an old display. All that is tons of extra r&d which means lower profit margins and thus doesn't happen.

SE are and will stay $399 at launch for a reason. They occupy a specific spot in a given lineup and switching the price up or down messes with the value hierarchy.
 
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Interesting, if we consider that none of the SE iPhones released so far had any chassis design differences from their predecessors, so SE 2016 was a boosted iPhone 5S and SE 2020 “inherited” iPhone 8 body. So far SE has been a “reuse & recycle” model, keeping R&D and production costs to a minimum. Yet so far no 5.7” iPhone was ever made by Apple. What gives? ??‍♂️

5.7-inch display doesn't necessarily mean 5.7-inch chassis.

In all likelihood, the 2023 SE will adopt the 6.1-inch XR/11 chassis, but with a thick bezel 5.7-inch display.

Think about it, the SE won't have Face ID, but will likely use power button Touch ID. This makes it even more premium looking and full-screen than existing models, unless Apple uses a smaller display with thicker bezels.

We know 2022 SE will carry only 3GB RAM, so another refresh in 2023 isn't as early as it seems.
 
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The next SE launches as an upgraded iPhone XR/11 in Spring 2024

or

it's just another 4.7" iPhone 8/SE 2020 but with an A15 chip and maybe 5G and launches around Spring 2022

All these ideas about new display dimensions and that Apple is rebranding and upgrading the 12/13 minis for a next gen SE are ludicrous.

It's $399, guys. A $399 iPhone. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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The 2016 1st Gen SE was already cut by the 2018 lineup.

If Apple follows previous patterns, SE 2020 should leave no later than when iPhone 14 launches, when the 2022 lineup is announced at this year's iPhone event.

Think about it -Apple has consistently(!) never had iPhone lineups spanning more than three generations of mains chips for any lineup:
2015: A7, A8, A9
2016: A9, A10
2017: A9, A10, A11
2018: A10, A11, A12
2019: A11, A12, A13
2020: A12, A13, A14
2021: A13, A14, A15

So, unless Apple switches it's very successful launch strategy, all iPhones with A13 chips are gone from the lineup when iPhones 14(A16) launch in late 2022.

The only way for SE 2020 to stay is if Apple puts an A14 or A15 in it.

This means a 4.7" "SE 2022" with A15 and 5G launches in Q1-Q2, probably.

However, SEs being cut entirely from late 2022 and only coming back in Spring 2024 (with an upgraded iPhone 11) is equally likely.

1st SE launched in 2016, 2nd in 2020. So SE "3" should follow in 2024.
From what I remember is Apple dropped the price of the 1st gen SE to $349 from $399 when the iPhone X/8/8+ was announced before being fully discontinued.
 
From what I remember is Apple dropped the price of the 1st gen SE to $349 from $399 when the iPhone X/8/8+ was announced before being fully discontinued.
True, I overlooked that. But it was still just a span of 3 different chip generations.

If A13(SE 2020 & iPhone 11) isn’t cut post iPhone 14 launch then it’s the first time the lineup will span more than three generations.
 
In all likelihood, the 2023 SE will adopt the 6.1-inch XR/11 chassis, but with a thick bezel 5.7-inch display.

Think about it, the SE won't have Face ID, but will likely use power button Touch ID. This makes it even more premium looking and full-screen than existing models, unless Apple uses a smaller display with thicker bezels.

I like the idea, but adding the TouchID in the power button and doing different bezels from previous models will essentially be a new phone, even if its chassis have the same dimensions as XR and 11. So far Apple’s strategy with SE was to reuse what is already been done. Let’s see.
 
Wow, the SE rumors are all over the place. It's Ike everybody is claiming everything just so something can stick when the actual announcement happens.

5.7" LCD probably means it will use the iPhone X/Xs/11Pro body. The smaller screen is to compensate for using LCD vs foldable OLED (ie. Thicker bezels). Definitely a better choice than the iPhone 8 chasis with its tiny battery. Here's hoping for at least 3000mAh battery like the iPhone 11 Pro.
 
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Since Apple will be eliminating the iPhone Mini this year. I really hope it really adopts the iPhone Mini design factor. Many people will appreciate this.
Apple is not eliminating the iPhone mini. They just won't make a mini version for the iPhone 14 lineup. You can still get the iPhone 12 mini and 13 mini, which will remain in the lineup at reduced prices.
 
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Whatever Apple is doing, I hope they'll do it this year instead of waiting for 2023. Yes, component shortages will be a huge challenge, but the 2020SE is severely outdated for a 2022 smartphone, mainly its severely limiting battery life. Apple cannot pretend that the SE has "acceptable" battery life for regular smartphone usage. It's embarrassing for a phone that is almost as expensive as a Galaxy S21 FE in my country.
 
I could see Apple keeping the current 2020 4G iPhone SE and dropping the price to $329-349 and have one or two storage options and only one color. (Black)
Doubt it. As "cheap" the SE is, Apple has a minimum margin they require. Apple wants yout to spend more, not less.
 
The next SE launches as an upgraded iPhone XR/11 in Spring 2024

or

it's just another 4.7" iPhone 8/SE 2020 but with an A15 chip and maybe 5G and launches around Spring 2022

All these ideas about new display dimensions and that Apple is rebranding and upgrading the 12/13 minis for a next gen SE are ludicrous.

It's $399, guys. A $399 iPhone. Nothing more, nothing less.
In my country, the SE is a $550+ phone, so it sits in the premium mid range category. Sticking with the current chasis with its tiny battery is just unattractive.
 
I follow your thought process - it could theoretically work. The other issue, though, is the size of the phone. The SE is actually quite a bit smaller than the X:

SE: 138.4mm x 67.3mm
X: 143.6mm x 70.9mm


Could they squeeze a 5.7" screen onto a phone that would have over 6mm less diagonal space than one with 5.8" screen? The difference between those screen sizes is only 2.5mm. So, it would mean shrinking the bezels down to essentially nothing. Perhaps technically possible, but you need some bezel so that your fingers don't inadvertently interact with the edges of the screen when the phone is in your hand. This seems like it would present a big challenge, and therefore is perhaps not the most likely route, especially for a $399 phone.

This is where rounding gets us into trouble.... The iPhone X/pro screen is actually closer to 5.9" (5.86" if I remember correctly) where as this rumored display is around 5.68-9". That rumored display should just about fit in the current SE chassis with a bezel similar to the older pro models.

Another thing for people to keep in mind... Old tech is cheaper to make for a finite amount of time. Sooner or later you will begin to run into obsolescence issues where in that older 4.7 LCD will end up being more expensive to make then a newer all screen OLED design. The majority of modern budget phones are using all screen OLED displays so I would imagine that antiquated 4.7 LCD is getting more expensive for Apple to procure for the SE. Transitioning to an all screen design while maintaining the same body as the current SE might actually be the more economical route.
 
Being that the rumors are that Apple will not be doing an iPhone 14 mini, maybe the mini form factor will be used for the next iPhone SE (3rd Gen)?
I definitely wouldn’t mind. I have a 12 mini and I absolutely adore the phone size factor. Say I’ve just about paid it off. I might be in thSay I’ve just about paid it off. I might be in the running soon
 
I think this adds credence to my theory that they will be keeping around the 2020 SE at a lower price, either $249 or $299.
So The lineup will be:
Se (Second generation): $249-299
SE+5G: $399
Or, The other option, and the one I’m slightly more afraid of them doing, is completely discontinuing the 11 that’s currently at $499, and adding the SE+5G there, and leaving the current SE at 399.
This has benefits for Apple, like the fact that every phone in their lineup except for the cheapest SE would be 5G, but also that means the current SE would get no price cut.
So that means the lineup would be:
SE: $399
SE+5G: $499
12 Mini: $599
12: $699
13 Mini: $699
13: $799
13 Pro: $999
13 Pro Max: $1099
Because it’s Apple, I fully expect them to go with the second option, but I would much prefer them go with the first option, lowering the SE by $100-$150, and putting the SE+5G at that $399 Price point.
This seems very on point.
 
The iPhone 12 mini is at $599 and expected to be $499 when iPhone 14 arrives.

So SE+ 5G will likely stay at $399. Not to mention I expect a price hike for iPhone 14. $899 for iPhone 14 Max and Pro starts at $1099.
Not necessarily, especially if Apple is getting rid of the mini size on the new models, I could see them completely dumping all the minis from their lineup for continuity.
So both the 12 mini and 13 mini could disappear. So then there would just be:
SE: $399
SE+5G: $499
12: $599
13: $699
14: $799
14 Max: $899
 
Apple is not eliminating the iPhone mini. They just won't make a mini version for the iPhone 14 lineup. You can still get the iPhone 12 mini and 13 mini, which will remain in the lineup at reduced prices.
You have absolutely no way of knowing that unless you work for Apple, it’s extremely likely, and I would say quite plausible, that when the 14 comes out all the previous minis are completely discontinued.
So the lineup would be: SE: $399
SE+5G: $499
12: $599
13: $699
14: $799
 
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