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iPhone SE With Larger 5.7-Inch Display May Launch in 2023, 'iPhone SE+ 5G' Also Rumored
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I could see Apple keeping the current 2020 4G iPhone SE and dropping the price to $329-349 and have one or two storage options and only one color. (Black)
The iPhone 12 mini is at $599 and expected to be $499 when iPhone 14 arrives.
So SE+ 5G will likely stay at $399. Not to mention I expect a price hike for iPhone 14. $899 for iPhone 14 Max and Pro starts at $1099.
Guys, stop with these wishlists and think about what Apple has actually done with previous SEs.
For iPhones SE, Apple will never
(in order of likelihood)
For iPhones SE, Apple will never
- Do a completely new design for chassis/body or unique display/chassis combination. Why? Because that adds significant r&d costs.
- Give it any key features that are better than or equal to the current flagship iPhone. Key features are display size/quality, camera setup, Face ID, and these are deliberately kept outdated/less attractive to underline the added value of going for a current, flagship iPhone.
(in order of likelihood)
- A new 4.7" SE 2020(aka iPhone 8) with a A14 or A15 chip, slightly better cameras, added 5G support, 4GB RAM, new color options, slightly brighter display. Base model is now 128GB, still starts at $399. Makes a lot of sense to put this out now as many consumers want 5G. Most likely.
- An iPhone 8 Plus with A14-A15 chip, slightly better cameras, added 5G support, 4GB RAM, new color options. Base model is 128GB. Less likely.
- A slightly upgraded but also downgraded iPhone XR/11: A15-A16 chip(depends on launch), slightly better cameras, added 5G support, NO Face ID but a new iPad Air-style Touch ID side-button. Most other features same as iPhone 11, still 4GB RAM. This "new" 11 wouldn't drop in 2022, but more likely in 2023-2024. Overall unlikely.
- Slightly upgraded/downgraded iPhone 13 mini: Most 13 mini features are unchanged but OLED display is cut for an LCD, Face ID cut for iPad Air-style Touch ID side-button, A15-A16 chip (depends on launch date). Maybe very good battery life because of lower resolution LCD display and A15-A16 chip. Not likely for 2022. Overall very unlikely.
Ha ha. That's a common Russian lingo term for big screeen phones
The 2016 1st Gen SE was already cut by the 2018 lineup.
If Apple follows previous patterns, SE 2020 should leave no later than when iPhone 14 launches, when the 2022 lineup is announced at this year's iPhone event.
Think about it -Apple has consistently(!) never had iPhone lineups spanning more than three generations of mains chips for any lineup:
2015: A7, A8, A9
2016: A9, A10
2017: A9, A10, A11
2018: A10, A11, A12
2019: A11, A12, A13
2020: A12, A13, A14
2021: A13, A14, A15
So, unless Apple switches it's very successful launch strategy, all iPhones with A13 chips are gone from the lineup when iPhones 14(A16) launch in late 2022.
The only way for SE 2020 to stay is if Apple puts an A14 or A15 in it.
This means a 4.7" "SE 2022" with A15 and 5G launches in Q1-Q2, probably.
However, SEs being cut entirely from late 2022 and only coming back in Spring 2024 (with an upgraded iPhone 11) is equally likely.
1st SE launched in 2016, 2nd in 2020. So SE "3" should follow in 2024.
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This!
I think the screen will be deliberately smaller than the XR, as I’d imagine that apple has research saying that for many iPhone 12 & 13 purchasers, a big clear screen is a primary consideration.
So if that’s the case, it makes sense to put some distance between what will be the low end notch phone and the (more expensive) ranges that apple would prefer you to buy.
Exactly. Apple has never done anything but a "recycle and upgrade" for SE iPhones so there's absolutely no reason to expect any different.
Whatever the next SE will be, it's only ever going to be an old model with the same old display quality and dimensions. Upgrades to expect are main chip and front and back cameras.
Apple has never taken an older iPhone and switched the display dimensions while keeping the same body, or built a new body around an old display. All that is tons of extra r&d which means lower profit margins and thus doesn't happen.
SE are and will stay $399 at launch for a reason. They occupy a specific spot in a given lineup and switching the price up or down messes with the value hierarchy.
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5.7-inch display doesn't necessarily mean 5.7-inch chassis.
In all likelihood, the 2023 SE will adopt the 6.1-inch XR/11 chassis, but with a thick bezel 5.7-inch display.
Think about it, the SE won't have Face ID, but will likely use power button Touch ID. This makes it even more premium looking and full-screen than existing models, unless Apple uses a smaller display with thicker bezels.
We know 2022 SE will carry only 3GB RAM, so another refresh in 2023 isn't as early as it seems.
That’s not what @blairh was saying at all. He’s saying, that Apple won’t manufacture and sell a new iPhone for $200.
Of course there’s new-er iPhones that might slashed from third party retailers, but not from Apple at that price as a new release.
The next SE launches as an upgraded iPhone XR/11 in Spring 2024
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it's just another 4.7" iPhone 8/SE 2020 but with an A15 chip and maybe 5G and launches around Spring 2022
All these ideas about new display dimensions and that Apple is rebranding and upgrading the 12/13 minis for a next gen SE are ludicrous.
It's $399, guys. A $399 iPhone. Nothing more, nothing less.
or
it's just another 4.7" iPhone 8/SE 2020 but with an A15 chip and maybe 5G and launches around Spring 2022
All these ideas about new display dimensions and that Apple is rebranding and upgrading the 12/13 minis for a next gen SE are ludicrous.
It's $399, guys. A $399 iPhone. Nothing more, nothing less.
From what I remember is Apple dropped the price of the 1st gen SE to $349 from $399 when the iPhone X/8/8+ was announced before being fully discontinued.
True, I overlooked that. But it was still just a span of 3 different chip generations.
If A13(SE 2020 & iPhone 11) isn’t cut post iPhone 14 launch then it’s the first time the lineup will span more than three generations.
I like the idea, but adding the TouchID in the power button and doing different bezels from previous models will essentially be a new phone, even if its chassis have the same dimensions as XR and 11. So far Apple’s strategy with SE was to reuse what is already been done. Let’s see.
Wow, the SE rumors are all over the place. It's Ike everybody is claiming everything just so something can stick when the actual announcement happens.
5.7" LCD probably means it will use the iPhone X/Xs/11Pro body. The smaller screen is to compensate for using LCD vs foldable OLED (ie. Thicker bezels). Definitely a better choice than the iPhone 8 chasis with its tiny battery. Here's hoping for at least 3000mAh battery like the iPhone 11 Pro.
5.7" LCD probably means it will use the iPhone X/Xs/11Pro body. The smaller screen is to compensate for using LCD vs foldable OLED (ie. Thicker bezels). Definitely a better choice than the iPhone 8 chasis with its tiny battery. Here's hoping for at least 3000mAh battery like the iPhone 11 Pro.
Apple is not eliminating the iPhone mini. They just won't make a mini version for the iPhone 14 lineup. You can still get the iPhone 12 mini and 13 mini, which will remain in the lineup at reduced prices.
Whatever Apple is doing, I hope they'll do it this year instead of waiting for 2023. Yes, component shortages will be a huge challenge, but the 2020SE is severely outdated for a 2022 smartphone, mainly its severely limiting battery life. Apple cannot pretend that the SE has "acceptable" battery life for regular smartphone usage. It's embarrassing for a phone that is almost as expensive as a Galaxy S21 FE in my country.
Doubt it. As "cheap" the SE is, Apple has a minimum margin they require. Apple wants yout to spend more, not less.
In my country, the SE is a $550+ phone, so it sits in the premium mid range category. Sticking with the current chasis with its tiny battery is just unattractive.
This is where rounding gets us into trouble.... The iPhone X/pro screen is actually closer to 5.9" (5.86" if I remember correctly) where as this rumored display is around 5.68-9". That rumored display should just about fit in the current SE chassis with a bezel similar to the older pro models.
Another thing for people to keep in mind... Old tech is cheaper to make for a finite amount of time. Sooner or later you will begin to run into obsolescence issues where in that older 4.7 LCD will end up being more expensive to make then a newer all screen OLED design. The majority of modern budget phones are using all screen OLED displays so I would imagine that antiquated 4.7 LCD is getting more expensive for Apple to procure for the SE. Transitioning to an all screen design while maintaining the same body as the current SE might actually be the more economical route.
I definitely wouldn’t mind. I have a 12 mini and I absolutely adore the phone size factor. Say I’ve just about paid it off. I might be in thSay I’ve just about paid it off. I might be in the running soon
Not necessarily, especially if Apple is getting rid of the mini size on the new models, I could see them completely dumping all the minis from their lineup for continuity.
So both the 12 mini and 13 mini could disappear. So then there would just be:
SE: $399
SE+5G: $499
12: $599
13: $699
14: $799
14 Max: $899
You have absolutely no way of knowing that unless you work for Apple, it’s extremely likely, and I would say quite plausible, that when the 14 comes out all the previous minis are completely discontinued.
So the lineup would be: SE: $399
SE+5G: $499
12: $599
13: $699
14: $799