I don’t have an issue with what Apple is doing. My issue was that they kept it silent until it was forced upon them.
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I understand that they didn’t keep silent but didn’t disclose fully in the details when the engineering solution applied involved throttling. Was it deliberate or if there were sinister motives? That’s for the courts now. Yes, it’ll be a messy discovery process.
Again, the problem was not throttling.
Nor was it the obvious fact that Apple did not foresee that their too-small battery could fairly quickly degrade to the point that an iPhone could crash. (Otherwise they would have included throttling in iOS from the start.)
The problem was that Apple's employees repeatedly told customers that their battery was okay, and some employees suggested upgrading to a newer phone. They did this (probably innocently because Apple did not clue them in either) instead of letting the customer know that a new battery could restore their phone's speed.
True, but Apple is infamous for avoiding anything that smacks of bad PR.
Apple had bragged about their phone speed and battery life. The last thing they were going to do (unless forced to) was publicly state that they had to throttle what they had bragged about.
The only info most users saw was the upgrade notice on their iPhone:
Only those who took the time to go look at that link would've seen this slightly more detailed explanation, which still avoided any direct mention of slowdown:
Apple clearly tried to avoid any bad PR related to performance, which is understandable. It just didn't work out in the long run.
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Battery health is more than the state of charge Battery health is ability to provide current without dropping voltage. This is generally related to capacity, but also chemistry.So why does the iPhone heavily throttle based on "battery health" (even when it reports as "Healthy") even when 100% charged and plugged in?
Better to think of your battery health more like a motor running on only 5 of the 8 spark plugs. Sure, it can idle poorly and maybe coast on the freeway, but if you step on it, it stalls. That's what happens to the battery. It dips like Apple stock on an iPhone production launch problem rumor!
Being plugged in doesn't matter if it's a measly 5W adapter. The processor can easily draw more than the battery and the 5W adapter can provide causing the phone to shut down without throttling.
If you've ever used the video mode in a car while plugged in you would have noticed that the battery level still drops and the phone really heats up.
You clearly have no idea how any of this works, but for some reason are very insistent that this is a flaw of a CPU.
What happens is that the CPU can use power in a given range... when it's idle let's call that level 1%, and when it needs to power through it can crank all the way up to, let's say 100%. When the processor speeds up from 1 to 100, it will require more power to do so. When the power supply (the battery) is in perfect condition, it can supply all the power level 100% requires very easily. As the battery ages, is not able to consistently provide that power required by the CPU when it hits 100%. This right here is the flaw of all battery technology. There are two ways to compensate for this. Replace the battery, or cap the CPU at, say 95%. Now the CPU can operate between 1% and 95% without errors because the battery CAN consistently supply the power needed to operate at 95%.
If Apple didn't throttle the power, then when you are doing something that requires 93% power, you're fine, but then that text message comes through, or your GPS kicks in because you had a geofence setup, and at that moment, the CPU needs to kick up to 98%. It will have gone over the 95% level that thee battery can supply, and right then you have a CPU crash and you phone restarts.
This is like driving a car with enough gas in the tank, or just fumes left in the tank. The minute you need more power than your gas supply can provide, you car is not going to perform like it can with adequate gas in the tank. That wouldn't be a fault of the engine, but the power supply (gas tank).
I changed my battery on my Iphone 6 and the phone is still a dog. I am so upset about this and how Apple secretly slowed down our phones without any notice. They were hoping we would just buy the next new product and not notice. Their excuses do not fly with me but we all know in the end not much will be done and Apple will get away with this trick they pulled with no punishment. They have the expensive lawyers and money. We might get a $50.00 price break on a $1000.00 phone. What a joke. I wish the courts would force Apple to either make the phones good or provide us with a new Iphone 8 or Iphone X. Will that happnen. I dont think so and the odds are very slim that anything will be done.
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Totally get this and if this was all Apple was doing I would applaud it, but it doesn't explain why my iPhone 6s, which had it's battery replaced in December 2016 under the 6s battery replacement program, and even now reports 94% of maximum capacity in battery health in iOS 11.3 (and was reported to have a battery health of 93% by an employee who checked it at the Apple Store a few months ago) was being throttled by between 35-50% (based on Geekbench scores & reported frequency in CPU DasherX) at all times. This despite never unexpectedly shutting down since the battery was replaced, except for once when I was making a phone call outside on a very cold day when the battery was at about 15%.
Exactly! Apple should be able to do whatever they wish to affect the hardware you bought and bully suppliers, buy competitors then shutter the business, Facebook should be able to collect whatever necessary data they need to stay rich, and they should be able to do this unencumbered and unmolested by, you know, those pesky laws and such...
Nope. iPads have a much bigger battery, so iOS doesn't enable throttling on them.
Unfortunately the iPhone 6 came out before Apple started using 2 and 3GB of RAM on their phones. iOS 11 really needs it. It was a great phone when it launched though but my 7 plus was a better purchase. It has the dual-lens camera, much more powerful A10, 3GB RAM and 3D Touch. The 6 does run better if you install a fresh battery and do a clean install of iOS 11. I wouldn’t even restore from backup to make sure there isn’t any leftover crap.
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Your criticism is fair, but not your use of the word invest. Spend is the correct word in this situation. Computers, phones and cars are not investments. They’re just goods that depreciate. Real estate, equities, bonds and some vintage cars and luxury watches (Patek, certain Rolex, AP) are investments.
Yes, if the car manufacture programs the engine computer to reduce performance after a year and doesn’t tell the customer before purchase that it will happen.
That’s what Apple wants you to think. They will lose all of their lawsuits because it isn’t true, though. The processors are defective and do not supply enough voltage to operate the device, so it shuts down. It’s never, ever been a battery problem. That was to save face until they were caught.
So the phone has been dog for you and the battery has nothing to do with it? How long have you noticed this?
Wtf are you talking about? Processors do not supply voltage. And the problem is instantaneous current supply, not voltage. (Processors also do not supplyncurrent, btw)
Eh, whatever. The point is that there is a communication problem with older iPhones between the battery and processors, and they were defective from rollout. None of this “degraded battery” nonsense. Was all a smoke and mirrors game
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As someone who owned a defective 6S I respectfully disagree.
Months and months and months before Apple ever announced anything, I had taken my phone in for unexpected shutdowns and then would not power back on until connected to power. It was under a year warranty still. The Genius hooked up my phone to their battery tester and told me that I still had 85% battery life remaining, that it passed. That it wasn’t defective.
When I said that has to be a mistake, and told them the percentages the phone would shutdown on, she looked VISIBLY startled. It was clear that this was some “backhouse, employee memo” type of thing and that she was already well aware that this was happening to many, but could not tell me that.
I ended up leaving with the same defective device. 4 months later Apple announced that certain models and blah blah blah crap and I took my phone in again, this time they replaced everything and for free.
Wanna guess why? Because they knew what they were doing was illegal and time would eventually catch up. I can’t wait to see ‘em settle or lose their 61 and growing lawsuits. Very shady business practice and they’ve lost my trust probably forever.
likely two different things. Apple's battery measurements tend to tell only degradation of capacity, (as in how much power over time is availabe).
to use a car analogy (and likely poor). All Apple's testing shows you is how much fuel is in the tank. What it doesn't show is that the fuel pump maybe broken so if you floored it, your car stalls because not enough of thatfuel gets to the engine.
they do not currently have a test for that. the problem with throttling, wasn't that the gas tank was bad, but that the fuel pump was bad. So their solution was to put a cap on your gas pedal so that you couldn't ask for more fuel than the pump could deliver.
its not a bad work around. It's the secrecy behind it and how FAST it started effecting devices that's the problem