iPhone Unlikely to Adopt AMOLED Display in Foreseeable Future

[dk001]

But key here is we're talking very very tiny differences and its not the same to everyones eyes. I find the total black too harsh, and I can see jagged edges (like I can on my Apple Watch) but the biggest issue is I demand black text on a white background and if you start doing that on an AMOLED screen like Samsung you have to have white text on a black background on the battery will drain in twice the speed - which is not acceptable. I don't want to half my battery life and I don't want white writing on a black background, it feels like i'm using DOS again!!

I think OLED is the future of large scale TV's where power consumption doesn't matter (so long as they get the over saturation correct) but I think its flawed for mobile devices. I expect Apple will employ some form of nano crystal LCD over type which ironically is the technology Samsung are going for instead of OLED in their large screen TV's ha.

How old is that device you are describing? Your description is the older AMOLED tech, not the new stuff.

 

[JoeyD74]

Holy crap the amount of people in here that think IPS is better than OLED is shocking. IPS is not better than OLED, anyone that thinks so is years behind. Go back several years and you would have had a valid point, OLED color accuracy was poor, it had a short life span, muddy whites at low brightness and so on. This is no longer true, any and all professional display review sites will tell you the AMOLED screens in the Galaxy S6 and Note 5 are the best screens in the world. Not just mobile displays, but the best display of any type. If you adjust the color settings, they have the ability to be phenomenally color accurate with very low Delta E figures, way below the dE 2 benchmark. Anything below 2 is generally believed to unnoticeable to the human eye in terms of color error. The iPhone 6 does also score very well on color accuracy, but it can not match AMOLED on contrast, black levels and so on. IPS is an inferior technolgy in every way other than life span and cost. That's a fact. Get over it for those of you who refuse to accept this fact.

A lot of people here are confusing OLED tech with the default color profiles on a lot of Android OLED devices. Which is basically super saturated, unnacurate, very vibrant color settings. Joe Public likes this. Nice intense colors. But OLED does not have to be like this. It's just as if not more capable than IPS screens at being extremely color accurate.

I didn't know the colors were adjustable, in the stores they seem over saturated. I agree with your post though, Apple is lacking in the screen department.

 

[dk001]

Why does every Samsung phone I see has a blue/green tint to it. I hate that.

Interesting ... no clue.
I'm sitting here looking at a 6+, 6S+. Note 4 and Note 5.
The 6+ is the bluest, the 6S+ is the yellowest. From Blue to Yellow: 6+ > Note 5 > Note 4 > 6S+
Maybe the iPhone has a wider variance blue to yellow while the Samsung has a narrower variance toward the blue end?
Not sure....

I didn't know the colors were adjustable, in the stores they seem over saturated. I agree with your post though, Apple is lacking in the screen department.

Likely they have it set to Cinematic with the brightness up - makes the colors pop but is a "wee" bit oversaturated.

 

[RockSpider]

Holy crap the amount of people in here that think IPS is better than OLED is shocking. IPS is not better than OLED, anyone that thinks so is years behind. Go back several years and you would have had a valid point, OLED color accuracy was poor, it had a short life span, muddy whites at low brightness and so on. This is no longer true, any and all professional display review sites will tell you the AMOLED screens in the Galaxy S6 and Note 5 are the best screens in the world. Not just mobile displays, but the best display of any type. If you adjust the color settings, they have the ability to be phenomenally color accurate with very low Delta E figures, way below the dE 2 benchmark. Anything below 2 is generally believed to unnoticeable to the human eye in terms of color error. The iPhone 6 does also score very well on color accuracy, but it can not match AMOLED on contrast, black levels and so on. IPS is an inferior technolgy in every way other than life span and cost. That's a fact. Get over it for those of you who refuse to accept this fact.

A lot of people here are confusing OLED tech with the default color profiles on a lot of Android OLED devices. Which is basically super saturated, unnacurate, very vibrant color settings. Joe Public likes this. Nice intense colors. But OLED does not have to be like this. It's just as if not more capable than IPS screens at being extremely color accurate.

Don't worry, once Apple gets OLED, they'll love it. Don't waste too many words on this forum unless you're agreeing with the fanboys.

 

[dk001]

When i change to basic whites become yellows and all colours change dramatically and unnaturally. On a normal display you shouldn't have such settings at all.

Here is the screens on a Note 5 as taken by a 6S+
Basic > AMOLED Cinematic > Adaptive
Your eyes can decide ....

 

[GoodWheaties]

The differences are quite noticeable. The differences in brightness on the screens from the iPhone 6 Plus / iPhone 6S Plus to the Galaxy S6 edge+ outside in sunlight are huge for example. The Galaxy S6 edge+ and Galaxy Note 5 have a massive 861 nits with the 'Auto Brightness' mode on while the iPhone 6 Plus (iPhone 6S Plus uses the same screen) only have 556 nits. That's a HUUUUUUGE difference. You don't realize the huge difference before you actually see it in real life.

Excuse me but AnandTech measured only about 580 nits which is about the same as iP6. I trust them.

EDIT: I did some checking on DisplayMate's test and it appears they probably tested it at 1% APL so that 861 number is literally useless for real life. How many times will you only have 1% of the screen lit up? Maybe the clock on a black lock screen but that's it.

 

[Futurix]

Then for a growing number of OLED devices you have options to change the display type from Cinematic to stock RGB.

As long as OLEDs remain stuck with PenTile pixel layout, no amount of trickery will ever bring them to native efficiency of LCD RGB. They added a colour mode to emulate LCD-like RGB, but it cannot be perfect by definition.

Your use of dated AMOLED info was ancillary to that really rough descriptor: fake pixels. Does that mean they were imaginary?

I consider pixel sizes of PenTile OLED screens semi-fake - while officially they advertise certain resolution in pixels, you'd only get two thirds of subpixels you paid for. And that matters - essentially you are getting full resolution of green, and only half of resolution of red and blue.

But seriously, update your AMOLED info. Technology is a wonderful thing.

I'm an app developer and work with newest handsets daily - and even the latest Samsung phones are not a match for a good LCD (and I don't consider intentional oversaturation of OLED screens as a plus). Certainly modern OLEDs are light years better than pitiful OLED screens in 2010-2012, but they are still compromised.

And nobody talks about burn-in!

 

[jayisblessed]

Here comes the world class stupid fanboys who think this is the best move for consumers.
AMOLED is just perfect... You can't compare to LCD right now. We're are being forced to use inferior technology because Apple doesn't want to give Samsung more money.

Have you ever compared the picture quality?! I compared the pictures on Apple Watch with that on iPhone, and the Apple Watch's OLED picture quality is horrible!!! I am so happy that Apple doesn't want to use the inferior OLED! YES!!!

 

[tresmith]

May not be today or tomorrow but we'll get amoled screens in the iphone one day. it's not a questions of if it's a question of when.

 

[MacBH928]

So which is better, AMOLED or OLED?

A few years ago I heard OLED TV s the future for displays, high contrast, much better colors and very low energy consumption but I believe one of the RGB colors dies quickly.

 

[NetMage]

For those on brh sides putting the Apple Watch OLED display up as a counterpart to Smaung, it might help if you knew the watch uses an LG OLED display with a full RGB pixel arrangement, not Pentile.

So, no it doesn't have the potential color aliasing and jaggedness of a Samsung screen.

And, no, it isn't terrible color, etc compared to an iPhone LCD display, though it is slightly out in the blue color range, it is pretty closely calibrated to the iPhone standard RGB so images match. Just as you should expect from Apple.

 

[justinhu8]

People need to stop taking what this guy says as gospel. He's made just as many bad calls as he has (perhaps lucky, or obvious) predictions.

He recently predicted Apple would carry 3D touch onto next year's models. Of course his record looks good when he's predicting things like that.

There's nothing in this report that suggests he has any inside information. He's speculating based on something Foxconn is rumored to be doing.

Check yourself. http://appleinsider.com/topic/ming-chi+kuo/page/2
He has missed but usually only on minor details. He got the improved Touch ID for the 6s
https://www.macrumors.com/2015/02/10/iphone-6s-touch-id-kgi/

Here he is on the Apple Watch. Accurate down to the storage size (8GB). Although he does correctly peg a 38mm size option, he missed the 42 instead but everything else was right on the money.
https://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/04/iwatch-8gb/

He has misses but he's decades better than any other "analyst" out there

 

[Adithya007]

People need to stop taking what this guy says as gospel. He's made just as many bad calls as he has (perhaps lucky, or obvious) predictions.

And now he's considered as an "often-reliable" source too!

 

[GoodWheaties]

So which is better, AMOLED or OLED?

A few years ago I heard OLED TV s the future for displays, high contrast, much better colors and very low energy consumption but I believe one of the RGB colors dies quickly.

The best really is LG's OLED tech that they use in their new TVs. It uses white OLEDs with color filters for RGB rather than Samsung's pentile RGBG. It seriously extends the lifespan of the device as well since white lasts much longer than the other colors, particularly blue, from what I understand.

 

[John Mcgregor]

Here is the screens on a Note 5 as taken by a 6S+
Basic > AMOLED Cinematic > Adaptive
Your eyes can decide ....
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Seriously? The colours in the picture will be different due to camera sensor not being your eye and compression to jpg.

 

[trajano]

The good part about AMOLED is pure black takes up a significantly less amount of power to display. However, at the same time they released the Galaxy Nexus with AMOLED, Google introduced Holo where their dark theme does not even render pure black.

Material Design does not have black in any of their palletes https://www.google.com/design/spec/style/color.html#color-color-palette so only text would have their colors pure black as long as it wasn't anti-aliased.

Apple does not use black for most of their backgrounds it's always some off color and just a few specs of pure black on the text. So AMOLED won't really benefit much.

 

[John Mcgregor]

Don't worry, once Apple gets OLED, they'll love it. Don't waste too many words on this forum unless you're agreeing with the fanboys.

Don't worry if its same same S6 they will get just as much **** from me for it as everyone else gets right now.

 

[duction]

You don't want the amoled like on the Samsung phones, had mine for around a year and it got screen burn... No way to sell it on to get even half of my money back.

 

[TroyBoy30]

look on the bright side. you could have a new 6p with a pink screen and instant burn in

 

[0928001]

Yet you fail miserably in providing any useful "factual evidence", besides giving your own personal observations. Good luck with the kids!

The purpose of my post wasn't to argue AMOLED vs IPS. Anyone with half a brain would know that. It was to point out how ignorant you are, which you have, yet again, proved true. Way to go.

 

[Tom-Helge]

Excuse me but AnandTech measured only about 580 nits which is about the same as iP6. I trust them.

I'm pretty sure you are talking about the 'Manual Brightness' here. You can't put the brightness up to 861 nits by adjusting it manually. You will end up a little under 600 nits with manual adjusting of the brightness. So yeah, Anandtech is correct when they say the brightness is around 580 nits.

The 'Auto brightness' mode allows the brightness to go all the way up to 861 nits.

 

[Tom-Helge]

You don't want the amoled like on the Samsung phones, had mine for around a year and it got screen burn... No way to sell it on to get even half of my money back.

I have had the Samsung Galaxy S2, Galaxy Note, Galaxy S4, Galaxy Note 4 and now the Galaxy S6 edge+. None of those older phones have had any screen burn-ins. And i had the phones all from 1 year and up to 2 years before i changed them.

The burn-ins most likely comes from either old arguments about the technology or a bad / faulty screen.

 

[Luis Mazza]

The purpose of my post wasn't to argue AMOLED vs IPS. Anyone with half a brain would know that. It was to point out how ignorant you are, which you have, yet again, proved true. Way to go.

Once again, you have nothing useful to say. Go back to your hole.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

No other displays look as good as the Samsung models released this year.

 

[StyxMaker]

Here, let the professionals teach you something about this: http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note5_ShootOut_1.htm

The facts is right there. Super AMOLED screens today are the absolute best screens out there.

Here is something from that link:
The Galaxy Note 5 matches or breaks new records in Smartphone display performance for:

Highest Absolute Color Accuracy (1.4 JNCD), Highest Peak Brightness (861 nits), Highest Contrast Rating in Ambient Light (183), Highest Screen Resolution (2560x1440), Highest (infinite) Contrast Ratio, and Smallest Brightness Variation with Viewing Angle (24 percent). In addition, almost every display lab test and measurement shows some improvements compared to the Galaxy Note 4, the previous record holder, including slightly lower Screen Reflectance (4.7 percent), an 18 to 23 percent improvement display Brightness, and a 21 percent improvement in display power efficiency, so the Note 5 display actually uses less power than the Note 4 in spite of its much higher brightness.

In short, even when the IPS LCD screen on the iPhone 6S Plus is pretty good, it still doesn't even comes close to how good the screen on the Galaxy Note 5 / Galaxy S6 edge+ is.

De gustibus non disputandum est.

You can't argue with taste.

Poster was stating a personal preference for the LCD screens. Personal preferences are just that and have nothing to do with anything you may think proves one screen technology to be better than another.