iPhone Used to Browse MacRumors.com?

[Raidersmojo]

Its a browser. Its a smartphone....who cares. Good god next someone is going to wet their pants when someone shows that they received an e-mail from an iPhone.....*screams like a little girl and swoons* Be still by beating heart.

a lot of people care because its not like other "smart phone" browsers out there, this is full HTML on your phone, which is pretty cool. if you don't like it then don't post we don't want to see your "oh who cares" crap here. last thing I want is someone coming in and peeing in my cherrios.

My friend is on the iPhone OS X team. He's been using his iPhone for some time and has been trying to convince me how awesome it is. I saw it though iChat and it certianly looks cool, but I'm not yet convinced that I can justify the expense in my current situation.
My friend is very tight-lipped about specifics, but says that I "wont' be disappointed" with the iPhone and all that it can do and will do in the future.
If the iPhone allows me to combine my PocketPC, phone, and iPod into one device (obviously OS X Light instead of Windows Mobile), that I think that it will be worth it for me.
I guess I'll wait and see.
One thing is for sure, though, the iPhone LOOKS totally awesome. I guess it's lighter that it appears too, so I'm told

everyone has that "one friend" on the apple development team and always come in and say the same things like that all the time. so sorry if we take it with a grain of salt

you know what my friend told me yesterday? and I called him on his BS instantly. he said a lady at radioshack said she could get the iphone right now with a 4 year contract for 150 dollars. he didn't understand when I was telling him they are not going to offer any knock off prices for the iphone. he stuck by his guns and kept saying it was going to be like that. he doesn't realize its not coming out till the 20th and no one will have one (aside apple employees and anyone they give a phone too) will have it before hand

why do people always want to act like they have "the information?"

 

[localoid]

Is this snippet from someone's server log file the one in question?

If so, it shows data from three different visitors, and only one is using an iPhone. Although the other two visitors are using Windows, what OS and browser those other visitors are using has nothing to do with the iPhone user.

In other words -- the 2nd line is the one (and only) and entry that pertains to the iPhone.

 

[natejohnstone@g]

everyone has that "one friend" on the apple development team and always come in and say the same things like that all the time. so sorry if we take it with a grain of salt

you know what my friend told me yesterday? and I called him on his BS instantly.

why do people always want to act like they have "the information?"

If people didn't want to know "the information" then this website would not exist. If others did not have/think they had "the information" this website would not exist. Everyone on this forum wants to know these things--including yourself--that's why we're here.
Now sure, a lot of people make things up and what not because it's human nature to want to be on the inside of things, and so you have to take everything with a grain of salt, I agree.

But when I was talking about my friend at who has an iPhone, I wasn't trying to prove how cool it was, or whatever. Actually, i was saying that EVEN THOUGH my friend has one and tried to convince me how cool it was, I'm still skeptical that it's worth the price for my needs. I'm sure it's an awesome device and that when I actually hold one in my hand I'll want to buy , but in all likelihood I'll wait until later because...
and here's a question that my friend at didn't answer...
will the iPhone be able to work in Europe and Japan? I'll likely be moving abroad in 2 years and don't want to plop down $600 if it's worthless to me in just 2 years.
Does anyone know if there is any information on this yet?

 

[geese]

If people didn't want to know "the information" then this website would not exist. If others did not have/think they had "the information" this website would not exist. Everyone on this forum wants to know these things--including yourself--that's why we're here.

will the iPhone be able to work in Europe and Japan? I'll likely be moving abroad in 2 years and don't want to plop down $600 if it's worthless to me in just 2 years.
Does anyone know if there is any information on this yet?

Well... if your 'friend' at Apple isnt sure, then why would anyone else here know?

Its going to be a GSM phone. Assuming its tri or quad band it'll work anywhere with a GSM network. So yes in Europe, not sure in Japan.

But its going to be locked to a specific network, so you're either going to have to get it unlocked (of which it is uncertain on the iPhone) or pay shed-loads on roaming charges.

 

[paulyras]

Its going to be a GSM phone. Assuming its tri or quad band it'll work anywhere with a GSM network. So yes in Europe, not sure in Japan.

But its going to be locked to a specific network, so you're either going to have to get it unlocked (of which it is uncertain on the iPhone) or pay shed-loads on roaming charges.

I have read here and elsewhere that it will not be unlockable by traditional methods and is may even be locked at the hardware level (though again, time will tell. I have no real inside sources). What will be really interesting to see is whether it's locked to a carrier or locked to any of the apple approved carriers, thus potentially allowing one to sign up for a contract on the eventual European carrier.

This might be the more likely scenario, since there is apparently no plans to have any hard imprinted logos on the phones, though that my also just be to in order to preserve the aesthetics as well, or even just laziness.

I have to say though, it would be nice to be able to drop a local SIM in to the iPhone when traveling. Still not cheap, but typically better than roaming on your original carrier.

Oh, and yeah, it should work in Japan and most of Asia as well (I think there are one or two Asian countries which are on CDMA for some odd reason).

 

[EagerDragon]

If people didn't want to know "the information" then this website would not exist. If others did not have/think they had "the information" this website would not exist. Everyone on this forum wants to know these things--including yourself--that's why we're here.
Now sure, a lot of people make things up and what not because it's human nature to want to be on the inside of things, and so you have to take everything with a grain of salt, I agree.

But when I was talking about my friend at who has an iPhone, I wasn't trying to prove how cool it was, or whatever. Actually, i was saying that EVEN THOUGH my friend has one and tried to convince me how cool it was, I'm still skeptical that it's worth the price for my needs. I'm sure it's an awesome device and that when I actually hold one in my hand I'll want to buy , but in all likelihood I'll wait until later because...
and here's a question that my friend at didn't answer...
will the iPhone be able to work in Europe and Japan? I'll likely be moving abroad in 2 years and don't want to plop down $600 if it's worthless to me in just 2 years.
Does anyone know if there is any information on this yet?

I believe your story, your friend would be very excited but unable to reveal the realy cool features. Makes sense. As to advice, it is a personal thing. My wife just quit her job, so I can not afford a bag of candy let alone a phone no matter how cool it will be.

 

[EagerDragon]

Well... if your 'friend' at Apple isnt sure, then why would anyone else here know?

Its going to be a GSM phone. Assuming its tri or quad band it'll work anywhere with a GSM network. So yes in Europe, not sure in Japan.

But its going to be locked to a specific network, so you're either going to have to get it unlocked (of which it is uncertain on the iPhone) or pay shed-loads on roaming charges.

It is GSM Quad. Yes, It is locked in USA, but we can not be sure that it will be locked to a single provider in Europe or Japan. The fact it is GSM may limit it in Japan, don't know for sure.
My understanding is that in Europe most everyone buys their phones unlocked, so I am not sure if Apple will be able to keep it locked there.

 

[Goldfinger]

They can't lock it to one or two carriers in Europe. There is no such thing as a Europe-wide carrier. Even companies like Vodafone or Orange are different in every country. Vodafone UK or Vodafone Italy or whatever are seperate businesses they only carry the same brand. And they'll have to have an unlocked version for Europe. Especially Belgium where locked phones or carrier specific phones are illegal.

The Cingular + iPhone business model is impossible in Europe. It would be a huge mistake.

 

[AppleMojo]

There is no doubt Apple is testing their product, as any normal business should. I find the details of the rumor a little strange / misleading, however.

"these requests originated from Apple's internal IP addresses."

1) An internal IP address would not be in any logs as 'internal' usually references non-internet-routable addresses.

2) The IP would not be coming from Apple's network, but rather a cellular service providers network. Much like my Sprint phone and my Blackberry come from their respective network blocks. *

* Unless they were using WIFI for browsing.

 

[firebox]

Unlocking the iPhone...

Am i right in thinking that it has (recently?) been made illegal for US carriers to prevent users from unlocking their phones ?

I believe the carriers ARE allowed to lock the phone and do not have to provide and unlocking service but are NOT allowed to prevent a user from unlocking it elsewhere, please could someone correct me if i am wrong..

I am assuming that locking the phone at the hardware level would require voiding the warranty in some shape or form to unlock it, therefore preventing the user from unlocking it (I certainly wouldn't want to void my warranty on a 1st gen product, although i'll definately be buying one for use in the UK)

Surely forcing the customer to void the warranty if they want their phone unlocked would be illegal ?? I would also assume that they will sell many more if unlocking it was relativly straight forward.

I'm sure that there are many forum members on here that would appreciate it if this law could be clarified by someone in the know. I certainly would!

 

[zap2]

Good to here...heopfully that will be me in less then a month!

 

[cycocelica]

Its always good to know that at least the iPhone seems to be working. Not really front page worthy, but still cool.

 

[gnasher729]

My friend is on the iPhone OS X team. He's been using his iPhone for some time and has been trying to convince me how awesome it is.

If you did actually have a friend on the iPhone OS X team, he would have suffered a heart attack right after reading your post.

 

[plinden]

Want to have fun with Apple/Mac fan sites?

Open Terminal and type on one line (replace URL with one of your choice):

curl https://www.macrumors.com -H 'User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 
(iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like Gecko) 
Version/3.0 Mobile/1A538a Safari/419.3'

 

[arn]

Want to have fun with Apple/Mac fan sites?

Open Terminal and type on one line (replace URL with one of your choice):

curl https://www.macrumors.com -H 'User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 
(iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like Gecko) 
Version/3.0 Mobile/1A538a Safari/419.3'

The trick is doing that from an Apple IP address.

arn

 

[oogje]

The trick is doing that from an Apple IP address.

arn

Would an Apple Store count?

brian

 

[AidenShaw]

actually, no

The trick is doing that from an Apple IP address.

arn

I don't think so - the rabid fanbois would interpret user-agent strings that look like they're from the Iphone coming from all over as *proof* that there are thousands of Iphones in the wild!

 

[peharri]

Am i right in thinking that it has (recently?) been made illegal for US carriers to prevent users from unlocking their phones ?

I believe the carriers ARE allowed to lock the phone and do not have to provide and unlocking service but are NOT allowed to prevent a user from unlocking it elsewhere, please could someone correct me if i am wrong..

Alas no, although as you worded it that should be obvious because it doesn't make much sense (it's locked but the user can unlock it... well, then is it really locked? If a mobile phone rings in the forest, and nobody has an unlock code, does it make a sound? Heh.)

What actually happened is that the US Copyright Office made it explicitly legal (that is to say, it wasn't entirely certain it was illegal in the first place, but the DMCA is such a can of worms that people pull all kinds of legal stunts with it to prevent the legal owners of consumer goods from doing perfectly reasonable things) to circumvent service provider locks put on phones.

So if your iPhone is locked to Cingular, and you find a way to make it accept and work with your T-Mobile SIM, neither AT&T/Cingular nor Apple can successfully sue you under the DMCA or under general copyright law.

However, that doesn't mean that AT&T/Cingular and Apple aren't allowed to make an impossible to circumvent lock that third parties aren't physically able to break. Apple could, for example, ensure that the logic that locks the phone to AT&T/Cingular is blown, physically, into the silicon at such a low level that it would be impossible to reprogram it (or replace the chip) without rendering the entire phone useless.

That said, as others have pointed out, many countries have laws outlawing service provider locks completely. If Apple wants a bite of those markets, it will have to sell an unlocked version of the phone, a phone that, in all probability, will work fine in the US with T-Mobile, SunCom, et al. Other markets have laws that imply locks must be in software and circumventable - that is, in the UK the law requires that operators provide phone owners with unlock codes/keys within a certain amount of time upon request.

Of course, Apple may simply decide not to sell the phone in those markets, or to sell a dual-band or UMTS version that will not work in the US. We don't, at this stage, know what their strategy is and fully what their obligations to AT&T are.

 

[barijazz]

has macrumors made a web app for the iphone?

 

[shoelessone]

wow, what a bump!

 

[pamon]

to add a second bump to the old thread... i love Macrumors on my iphone... great viewing and a great bookmark to my iphone...

 

[JNB]

has macrumors made a web app for the iphone?

No web app, but there's always this...

 

[averyash]

while we're bumping...

I'm not sure of where else to post this thought...

Does anyone else remember the interview conducted with Steve and AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson shortly before the iPhone release this summer? (for those who don't, you can read the transcript here: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techinvestor/corporatenews/2007-06-28-jobs-stephenson-qa_N.htm).

The part of this interview that I am particularly intrigued by is this question and response:

"Q: What about corporate e-mail? I understand that's an issue for many consumers, who may not be able to hook up to their company networks?

Jobs: You'll be hearing more about this in the coming weeks. We have some pilots going with companies with names you'll recognize. This won't be a big issue."

As far as I remember, and have found through research, none of these pilots went out.

Any chance that this is a piece of Macworld keynote, potentially with the iPhone sales figures?

As far as I have read, I'm the first to suggest this, so if Jobs hits on the at Macworld, I'm going to take some serious pride in this.