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iPhone/Verizon? 3G Unlocked?
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Ahhh.
Anyway, I agree. To draw up new plans and start building a CMDA iPhone would probably not be worth it in the large picture. If you really wanted it, you would switch.
Depends, because we do not get good service in the 18444 Zip Code in our area and Verizon is putting a new tower up 2009/2010 time frame to correct this issue. If you report "Problem Areas" to verizon they will research and take the best course of action they can to correct the issue. That said they CANNOT place a tower in an area that is covered by another carrier. (These are the words from the verizon tech I spoke to, not my own)
Here's the thing. Verizon does not personally own every tower they utilize. There are companies that build, own, and maintain cell towers and Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, etc all rent space for their equipment. So this restriction could mean that only one CDMA carrier is allowed in a given area, but I thought Sprint and Verizon have roaming agreements...so that sounds to me like the tech was trying for an excuse.
I agree completely.
A good friend of mine is a T-Mobile tower tech and said a lot of the carriers will not only share equipment, most will also share the physical tower.
They place multiple antennas on one tower if the radio equipment is not compatible with the other carrier.
Correct. Apple and AT&T signed an exclusive 5 year contract in the US prior to the launch of the iPhone in June 2007. On a side note, I have to wonder if Apple has an out clause. I would think that one was structured into the contract but I'm just speculating.
Petition to Verizon
So, I've been watching this fun (and sometimes a little petty) conversation. I'm impressed that it's up to 9 pages!
Anyway, I thought I'd just chime in about an online petition going to the execs at Verizon about this issue... If anyone has any interest in signing it, that is.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/bring-the-iphone-to-verizon
Don't know that it'll do anything other than help communicate to VZW and to the media that the iPhone should be opened up, or that VZW made a mistake in turning it down. But, who knows.
So, I've been watching this fun (and sometimes a little petty) conversation. I'm impressed that it's up to 9 pages!
Anyway, I thought I'd just chime in about an online petition going to the execs at Verizon about this issue... If anyone has any interest in signing it, that is.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/bring-the-iphone-to-verizon
Don't know that it'll do anything other than help communicate to VZW and to the media that the iPhone should be opened up, or that VZW made a mistake in turning it down. But, who knows.
So...the end result would be Verizon asking Apple to engineer a new SKU for them, for a single market?
The action is up to VZW. You guys have complained throughout this that VZW doesn't listen, it puts out bad products (or reduces them to nothing, feature-wise) etc. So, rather than just ranting about it I thought I'd share the link.
If you care sign the petition if you don't care then don't. No reason to be smart about it. At least someone has taken the time to start one instead of complaining about it. Do I beleive it will happen? No way but I signed it to show my support.
Its not a single market...Alone in the US there are more CDMA users than GSM:CDMA (VZ-67 mil + Sprint 51 mil) compare to GSM (ATT 70 mil+ tmob 21 mil). I did not include smaller US cell comp. There are also other countries like China, Brazil, and a few more that use CDMA technology.
Well the iPhone will eventually have to transition to LTE because AT&T will use it, so when that happens if Apple still has an exclusive contract with AT&T then you could probably unlock it and put it on Verizon's network. Then again, it will be awhile, but its more likely than Apple making a CDMA iPhone.
EDIT: I see others have already brought this up. So yeah...
EDIT: I see others have already brought this up. So yeah...
That would win, because 95% of the people in the school I go to have Verizon, and if I have to spend over 100 dollars for a decent phone (which looks like i'll have to at this point), i'd rather spend it on an apple product. Of course it never would happen unless hell froze over/iPhone unlocked
Most of my friends and family are with Verizon so it would be great to have an iPhone with Verizon but even if hell froze over and the iPhone was unlocked, it still would not work.
What's the problem? Can't we just sign an online petition to get Verizon to allow the iPhone on their network? The answer is NO, not unless a CDMA iPhone is developed.
The recently ended HD format war is an example of why this will not work. Consider this:
HD DVD disc + HD DVD player* = high definition video entertainment
Blu-Ray disc + Blu-Ray player* = high definition video entertainment
HD DVD disc + Blu-Ray player* = nothing at all
Blu-Ray disc + HD DVD player* = nothing at all
Now consider an unlocked iPhone with Verizon:
CDMA phone + CDMA network = successful phone calls and data transfer
GSM phone + GSM network = successful phone calls and data transfer
CDMA phone + GSM network = nothing at all
GSM phone (iPhone) + CDMA network (Verizon) = nothing at all
*Yes, I know there are combo HD DVD / Blu-Ray players. For the purpose of the analogy - explaining why the iPhone does not work with Verizon - I'm referring to single format players. Also, I'm not taking a side on which video format is better than the other, nor am I taking a side on which network is better than the other.
I never said there wasnt more GSM users. I was just trying to say that CDMA was not a single market. I believe there are over 2 Billion GSM users worldwide.
Nice but I don't think we need it explained AGAIN about the diffrence in the networks. I would hope by now we all would know. We also know that Apple would need to agree to greate a CDMA chiped iPhone in order for it to work. We also know that the chances of that are VERY slim, and yes we all know that Apple and AT&T signed some type of exclusive deal for atleast 5 years. We should also know that CONSUMERS drive the market! A company ceates a market and offer a product within that market we as consumers have to decide whether to buy that product. Guess what if no one buys that product then ** ding ding ** there is no market for it. If we buy that product than ** YEP YOU GUESSED IT ** there is a market for it. Nothing will change change unless us as consumers make a choice. If verizon looses enough customer to a rival because they offer a better product and/or harware then I would guess verizon may want to reconcider when/if the contract ends with AT&T. Verizon does not and will not care until they loose money because of it. And the HDDVD war was not fought or decided completly by consumers but we sure played our part and I saw your tag line and yes there where dual players but I do "THINK BUT NOT SURE" that there was 2 diffrent lasers for each format not one for both so your explination would still be valid.
This is what is going to happen: Verizon will realize their dumbass mistake and give Apple half the money for the buyout of the contract with At&t. Of course this will al be very hush hush. I can definitely see that happening because it cannot be ignored that the iPhone is going to become the best smartphone after this summer is done.
Here's the most likely scenario. Apple will wait until Verizon completes their LTE rollout. By then, their exclusive agreement with AT&T will be nearly over and a 4G iPhone would be imminent (AT&T's roadmaps indicate an LTE roll-out slightly delayed relative to Verizon's), and then, it would be a more opportune moment to offer the iPhone on various carriers in the U.S.
I dont see that happening either.
Verizon will not give apple the controll that they have with AT&T.
They sell their own music, ringtones, games, programs etc.. thru itunes
They have their own customer service line for iphone users and handle their own warranty work.
Verizon would want to add all their vcast and junk software on the phone and lock down the device and all its good features.
Verizon will not give apple the controll that they have with AT&T.
They sell their own music, ringtones, games, programs etc.. thru itunes
They have their own customer service line for iphone users and handle their own warranty work.
Verizon would want to add all their vcast and junk software on the phone and lock down the device and all its good features.