iPhone VS Palm Pre

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by brent0saurus, May 23, 2009.

  1. brent0saurus macrumors regular


    Feb 16, 2006
    I made my own feature comparison of the iPhone and the Pre. I have to say, I LOVE the iPhone, but the Pre is looking pretty damn good...
    Read on to find an in depth analysis.

    Note: This is comparing the current iPhone, considering everything we know about the upcoming 3.0 update. It is widely anticipated that a new iPhone is coming out early June, so I tried not compare what could possibly be improved, like processor speed, camera, storage capacity etc.

    Multi-Tasking: The biggest advantage the Palm Pre has over the iPhone. You can run multiple applications at once and seamlessly switch between them. The iPhone can only one run app at a time. One example of the Pre's multitasking capabilities would be when you get a phone call, it slides your current "card" or application down to the bottom, instead of just dumping it like the iPhone does.
    One thing that iPhone has over the Palm Pre, is that when using 3G, you can be on the phone and search the web at the same time. The Pre does not allow this currently, which definitely sucks a little bit.

    Syncing: Another shining area of the Pre. Palm calls their technology Synergy. Basically, it takes contact information from ALMOST everything your heart could desire (Facebook, Google, Outlook) and puts them all together as one. So when someone changes their phone number on their Facebook account, it changes in your phonebook. This basically completely eliminates the need to edit contact info and delete duplicates etc.
    The other amazing thing about this is there's no more switching between iChat, Google Talk, Facebook chat or texting. There's just talking. Everything is all together. (italicized for awesomeness.)
    What the iPhone does have is the ability to sync with iCal, which anyone who has a mac knows this is one of the best calendar apps out there. But, as long as you're running Leopard, iCal can sync with Google Calendars, essentially letting your Palm Pre sync with iCal. The fact that the Pre syncs entirely relying on the "cloud" is what makes it so fantastic. It's compatible with every OS, in a way.

    Network: Sprint has a faster and larger 3G network than AT&T, but that's it. As far as cell service for calling, AT&T probably has the advantage.

    Pricing of Phone/Plan: The Pre is $200 after a $100 rebate. The iPhone is $200 and you don't need to fill out a rebate form.
    Sprint's plan is better, hands down. The iPhone's plan starts at $70/month for 450 minutes, unlimited data, and that's it.
    For the same price, the Pre plan gives you all of this plus unlimited messaging; something AT&T charges $20 for. Plus you get some extra goodies like Sprint's Navigation and TV service. I've no idea how good these services are but they're worth noting.

    Keyboard: This is really personal preference. The iPhone's virtual keyboard is the best there is, and anyone who argues that is either an idiot or has never used the iPhone. The Pre has a physical keyboard, which by the people who've used it, isn't the greatest keyboard. The keys are mushy and small, but nonetheless, it's a physical keyboard; and some people need this.

    Notifications: I used to think the iPhone's notification system was the best a notification system could be. But the Pre does it better. Instead of making you dismiss a text message notification, it just scales your current app down slightly and puts the notification at the bottom, not unlike a weather warning on tv. Very smart.

    Gestures/Multi-Touch: Both the iPhone and the Pre have fantastic gestures and support similar Multi-Touch capabilities (pinch to zoom etc), but again, the Pre takes it a little bit further. Instead of having to press back/forward buttons in the browser, you just swipe left/right, respectively, on the gesture area of the Pre. This is just one example. I should also note that the Pre's gesture area has white LEDs behind it that trail behind your gestures. Kind of like Quicksilver's Abracadabra for OS X. Very nice touch.

    Form Factor/Style: The iPhone is thinner, but bigger. The Pre is smaller but chubbier. You decide what's better. The only thing I really like about the Pre is everything in the status bar (wireless reception, time, battery life) looks like it's not on the screen. Very cool design. At the same time, I think the iPhone looks a little more professional, while the Pre is chubby in a cutesy way.

    App Store: At first, you'd think the iPhone is a sure winner for this. It has a very impressive app store and it's so easy to find an app you want an install it. Apple pioneered this; it's undeniable.
    But the deal breaker is in the SDK. Don't get me wrong, XCode is a great tool that apple provides to all of its developers, but the iPhone uses Cocoa and C++, which are both great, but not as widely used as HTML, Javascript, and CSS, which is what the Pre uses.
    Basically, the iPhone is winning currently, but the Pre has the potential to be just as big, if not bigger. And the only approval process for Pre apps is security and stability tests. We all know Apple's approval process is very strict and a little ridiculous at times.
    I still think Apple is going to win this one, though. They were the first ones to do this, and I think people are going to stick with it.

    Right now, it seems like the Pre is a better phone. Now, you could argue that the Pre stole a lot from the iPhone (which it did) and even OS X (which is absolutely did), but that's what happens, and if it means keeping Apple on their toes then I'm all for it. Apple have made the best computers and the best phone, with nothing coming even close to them for a long time. Now that their phone possibly has a worthy competitor, Apple has to step up their game. Before 3.0 was announced, the Pre had the clear advantage, but with 3.0, Apple added a lot of features that fill the gaps between the two devices, which is great! Now Apple can't get away with not giving us basic features like MMS and video recording just because the rest of the phone is light years ahead of all the competition.

    But I also have to say that everything I've written about the Pre has not been tested in the wild. So we'll have to wait and see how it truly works once it's released (June 6th); not just in tech blog's youtube videos and Palm's walkthroughs. For instance, maybe the Pre's screen isn't totally scratch proof like the iPhone's screen is.

    Official Pre Site: http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/
    Cheesy/Informative Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD5b5Gh-Kt4
    And Some Real Life Action: http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/13/palm-pre-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know/
  2. thejadedmonkey macrumors 604


    May 28, 2005
    Assuming everything you wrote is correct (and time with it in the wild will tell), I'll get a Pre myself. Probably sometime in July so I don't have to cancel my current contract with AT&T, and so that if there are any show-stopping bugs at launch, they've been fixed.

    I never thought I'd see the day that I'd leave AT&T and walk away from the possibility of an iPhone, and yet here that day comes.
  3. brent0saurus thread starter macrumors regular


    Feb 16, 2006
    I honestly never though there'd be a phone better than the iPhone, and it seems like that day may have come...

    And even if it isn't better than the rumored iphone to be released at wwdc, at least it'll be close and keep apple on their toes. competition is a great thing, and apple also seems to be miles ahead in the race.
  4. pugnut macrumors 6502a

    Jul 1, 2007
    Can not talk and use data at the same time

    Seems to be a huge issue that people are not talking about
  5. robothero macrumors 6502


    May 18, 2009
    I'm waiting until after WWDC to make a judgement call on which one is better. Just like every year, we never know the full extent as to what Apple is going to throw at us, and I'm sure they have more than one card up their sleeve.
  6. Michael CM1 macrumors 603

    Feb 4, 2008
    Nice of you to leave out the battery life, which will probably be an issue if you start running numerous tasks at once.
  7. Masquerade macrumors 6502a


    May 16, 2007
    also you got gps... with gps navigation! XD

    :confused: link please!
  8. ki2594 macrumors 6502a

    Apr 12, 2008
    Carmel, IN.
    I'm not making any comparisons until June 8th. Because this iPhone 3G is year old technology compared to the Pre, when we see the next iPhone, i will compare it to the Pre, because they came in the same year let alone month (possibly)
  9. chriszzz macrumors 6502

    Oct 29, 2008
    When talking about the SDK you left out the fact that as a WebOS, the Pre will be limited in terms of 3D performance.
  10. Padraig macrumors 6502a

    Dec 12, 2005
    I also appreciated the fact that he left it out, as there is no way of telling what the performance will be like till we get production models to test. Who knows, the battery life when multi tasking may be excellent, like my e71.
  11. Dr. Cabrera macrumors 65816

    Aug 25, 2008
    Los Angeles
    a) thank you for taking the time to make this extensive post

    b) It's pointless

    I don't care what a single reviewer says, until I get my hands on the actual phone, none of us can make a decision

    A "small keyboard" to some, might be the perfect keyboard for someone else

    You guys can make every speculation thread in the world, but until the phone is released publicly, these threads don't mean jack.
  12. skwoytek macrumors 6502a

    Feb 15, 2005
    Palm Pre

    Are there any videos of the Pre's synergy in action (with several sources of information?)

    From what I read, Synergy is basically a merge of all the cloud data (but doesn't have it's own cloud data) on to the device. I can already sync my iPhone with my Yahoo Contacts, Google contacts, MobileMe contacts, and Mac contacts - sure there are some differences, but what Synergy does isn't that advanced.


    People I know from MySpace are canceling their accounts faster than I can keep up with and moving to Facebook. So with Pre would all those contacts from MySpace disappear? Would I not be able to get them back until I got a Facebook account? What about my Aunts, Uncles and grandparents that simply have a phone number in my phone, how does that eliminate the need for me to edit info? Most of my contacts aren't on a social site and don't have access to the places I store their information, how does that "basically completely eliminate" editing contact info?

    As for multitasking, sure, if I'm starting a game or something really intensive the App load time makes a difference, but when I'm flipping between contacts, calendar, email, etc. the switching times often appear to be less than what I'm seeing based on the videos from Palm. And many of Apple's productivity applications have direct buttons to other pertinent applications' information built right in. Bringing up cards and shuffling through them is not seamless, and again in some demos appear to take longer than the same process on the iPhone. Also, you haven't seen any processor intensive applications running under Pre's multitasking - email, calendars and contacts are all but static pages when in the background. Just wait until we see Palm's footnote in action, "Number of applications and actual performance will vary depending on applications used and actions performed."

    The Palm may end up being the greatest device in history. But making a judgement on a yet to be released device with unknown specs (battery life) and almost no real life tests VS. a year old iPhone is pretty a foolhardy move. We haven't seen either of these 2009 devices in action.
  13. Gatteau macrumors 6502a

    May 23, 2009
  14. daneoni macrumors G4


    Mar 24, 2006
    Early reports are that the phone does indeed live up to the hype. If you want source listen to the latest CNet's buzz out loud podcast. However you're right...the phone needs to be handles extensively before being judged
  15. brent0saurus thread starter macrumors regular


    Feb 16, 2006
    If you think it's pointless you don't have to participate in the thread.
    Everyone knows that a small keyboard for some may be perfect for others. that's how everything works. But many people still like to read reviews/speculations and base part of their opinion on them because not everyone can try before they buy.

    you coming in here and saying it's pointless is just as pointless as you think this thread is...
  16. slapppy macrumors 65816

    Mar 20, 2008
    For Pete's sake, the iPhone multitask just fine. Look I'll play Need For Speed Undercover ( which the Pre OS cannot even dream of being capable of ) while I listen to my iPod part. In the meantime these services are running in the background, syncing Mail, Contacts, Calendar, various sensors, SMS, oh the phone portion... seems to me the iPhone multitask just fine.
  17. brent0saurus thread starter macrumors regular


    Feb 16, 2006

    here's some real life action.

    Like I said, we really don't know what it's going to be like, and we don't know what the new iPhone will be like. This is pure speculation. I'm sure a cancelled myspace account won't delete that contact, though. But who knows, maybe it will. The great thing about it is that it merges all contact info together. Like i stated, there's no such thing as switching between iChat, google chat, facebook and texting. there's just talking, which is a fantastic feature that the iphone can't yet do.

    Again, i LOVE the iPhone. I'm just happy to see something that might be able to compete with it. But only time will tell. As another poster stated, though, the reports are that it does live up to the hype. It's fast, the touch screen is just as responsive as the iPhone's and the GUI is gorgeous. All we can use is the people that have used the phone and the official specs, and that's what i've used.
  18. Dr. Cabrera macrumors 65816

    Aug 25, 2008
    Los Angeles
    so in other words speculating about which one is better now is... pointless ;)
  19. brent0saurus thread starter macrumors regular


    Feb 16, 2006
    it's just fun. speculation on how 3.0 will run, how it's camera will be different, and the next time apple refreshes the macbooks is pointless too, but a lot of people like to do it.
    sorry for wasting everyone's time. :p
  20. sd2009 macrumors 6502

    May 30, 2008
    I love how you say this sarcastically like it's a bad thing. I'm an iPhone user but, honestly, have fun with your Pre :D Maybe I'll switch some day if it turns out to be as good as they say.
  21. brent0saurus thread starter macrumors regular


    Feb 16, 2006
    it's just fun. speculation on how 3.0 will run, how it's camera will be different, and the next time apple refreshes the macbooks is pointless too, but a lot of people like to do it.
    sorry for wasting everyone's time.:p
  22. brent0saurus thread starter macrumors regular


    Feb 16, 2006
    Exactly! Who knows. Maybe it will be better. And it maybe it'll be worse.
    And i never said i'm getting a pre! I'm totally waiting to see what apple releases and how the pre works out in the wild. I'm just speculating on what i've found and posted to see what the community i respect thought.
  23. nfl46 macrumors 604

    Oct 5, 2008
    Honestly, the Palm Pre SHOULD NOT be compared to the iPhone, until Apple introduces the new iPhone this summer. People really shouldn't compared it against the 3G one because we all know a new one is coming out soon.
  24. brent0saurus thread starter macrumors regular


    Feb 16, 2006
    True, this is why i tried not to compare hardware like camera, storage capacity or processor speed.
    But you're right, apple could totally throw something at us that is totally new and awesome considering the 3g is a year old. But as far as software goes, we pretty much know what it's going to have since we've seen 3.0
  25. srl7741 macrumors 68020


    Jan 19, 2008
    In my world
    Nice post

    Great 1st post (thread). I think you pointed out some great things and I agree that devices like the Pre will make the iPhone a better phone. People will dump any device in a heart beat if there is something better. It does not matter if it's Apple of not.
    I will have to wait and touch the Pre before making up my own mind. I'm a little hesitant on the form factor and slide out keyboard. That feature does not excite me personally. Actually I feel the iPhone can be so much more and due to many factors it's not. One factor is AT&T's less than... Network and two would be no competition or threat of another taking away customers.
    I'm interested in Battery Life on the Pre. I also wonder about the web surfing experience? Let's face it, screen size matters when surfing the web via any phone and the iPhone screen is nice.

    I also agree in part with the Pre App store idea, given time it could really support some great Apps. Apples store however is easy enough to navigate and anyone can use it. If Palms App store is difficult to navigate or confusing it will hurt no matter how nice the Apps are.

    I'm looking forward to Apple picking up the pace and giving us more great stuff. You know they will, they are not going to stop doing what they do best.

    Anyway, to the OP. Great post. Will you be able to get your hands on a Pre when they come? Maybe stop back and post your impressions related to the first post?


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