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iPhone VS Palm Pre

srl7741 said:
Great 1st post (thread). I think you pointed out some great things and I agree that devices like the Pre will make the iPhone a better phone. People will dump any device in a heart beat if there is something better. It does not matter if it's Apple of not.
I will have to wait and touch the Pre before making up my own mind. I'm a little hesitant on the form factor and slide out keyboard. That feature does not excite me personally. Actually I feel the iPhone can be so much more and due to many factors it's not. One factor is AT&T's less than... Network and two would be no competition or threat of another taking away customers.
I'm interested in Battery Life on the Pre. I also wonder about the web surfing experience? Let's face it, screen size matters when surfing the web via any phone and the iPhone screen is nice.

I also agree in part with the Pre App store idea, given time it could really support some great Apps. Apples store however is easy enough to navigate and anyone can use it. If Palms App store is difficult to navigate or confusing it will hurt no matter how nice the Apps are.

I'm looking forward to Apple picking up the pace and giving us more great stuff. You know they will, they are not going to stop doing what they do best.

Anyway, to the OP. Great post. Will you be able to get your hands on a Pre when they come? Maybe stop back and post your impressions related to the first post?


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Thank you! I agree with your entire reply. Great point about the screen size of the iPhone. The browser on the Pre looks fantastic, but definitely not better than the iPhone. And in real life use, i'm sure the iPhones bigger screen will win for browsing.

I will not be getting the Pre when it comes out, mainly because i'm waiting to see how it'll work out in the wild for a while and because i want to see what apple releases, and partially because i'm on a verizon family plan that i pay very little for so i need to make sure i can afford the switch.
I'll definitely be looking for other reviews and hands ons by other people so if i find anything good i'll post it!
 
The Pre looks very exciting, but we haven't seen anything good out of Palm in a long time. Even though the Pre looks like it will be good, I'd like to see some reviews on it first.
 
queshy said:
The Pre looks very exciting, but we haven't seen anything good out of Palm in a long time. Even though the Pre looks like it will be good, I'd like to see some reviews on it first.
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Agreed, and I want the reviews to be from "Real People". Not Maxim Magazine, not Late Night Show (Who got Sponsored by Sprint? Even Worse), not Engadget or Gizmodo.

I want to read some reviews from Mr.Joe Average, some from Mr.Tech Geeky before I make the decision.
 
I think any discussion or comparison between the two is moot at this point. I get sick of reading about people trashing the iPhone (or a Blackberry for that matter) by saying the Pre is this or that. For gosh sakes the phone hasn't been released yet! Up until it is released, the only thing you can do is go on assumptions and the Palm checklist of features.

Comparisons like this are pretty pointless from anything other than a philosophical standpoint.

And I'm not bashing the Pre there - It would be great if the Pre was a success and prompted improved features and innovation in their competitors and gave Palm a fighting chance and kept thousands of people employed. But at this point any discussion is purely theoretical.
 
How can you not mention storage? I have 120 MB left free on my 2G 8 GB iphone. The most you can get on the pre is 8 GB. By all accounts, the new iphone will be 32 GB (and certainly not less than 16). This seems like kind of a big point to leave out.

The other thing is, the Pre may well be the last gasp of a dying company. It's like buying a new Chrysler. It may be the greatest car in the world (I mean, it's not, but you see my point :p), but do you really want a product from a company about to go under? Now maybe I'm wrong and the Pre is big enough to save Palm, but I don't think so. They basically have nothing else at this point, and as good as the pre looks, I don't think it wins enough market share (esp. when tied to sprint-only) to save the company.
 
QCassidy352 said:
The other thing is, the Pre may well be the last gasp of a dying company. It's like buying a new Chrysler. It may be the greatest car in the world (I mean, it's not, but you see my point :p), but do you really want a product from a company about to go under? Now maybe I'm wrong and the Pre is big enough to save Palm, but I don't think so. They basically have nothing else at this point, and as good as the pre looks, I don't think it wins enough market share (esp. when tied to sprint-only) to save the company.
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You never watched cheesy kids sports movies as a child, huh? Never doubt the underdog. Especially in technology.

Based on what I've heard and read, all signs point to the Palm Pre being a formidable competitor in the coming months. Palm always had great product development back in the day, and I wouldn't be surprised if Palm completely left the PDA market on purpose to devote all resources to this project. True, its make or break, but Palm does know a thing or two about adding cellular radios to a PDA. I mean, I'm probably going to get the next iPhone, but hey - if the Pre is as good as everyone says it is...

Even if the phone weren't a success, no one's dumb enough at Apple or AT&T to not notice the recent strides Sprint is pushing recently, let alone the sheer amount of press the Pre has already achieved. If I were Apple, I wouldn't dismiss this as just another 'Storm'. ;)
 
AiralynRose said:
I just wanted to point out that iPhone coding is done in Objective-C not C++.
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Objective-C is required, but C++ and ANSI-C can be mixed in. For some situations, using C or C++ will be more efficient because you can bypass Objective-C's inherent overhead. In fact, the Address Book framework on iPhone OS has only ANSI C (procedural) programmatic interfaces.
 
LOL. Another iPhone killer. And like so many other bugs that ultimately have splattered on Apple's windshield, this one is killing the iPhone based rumors alone.

I can't use AT&T, so no iPhone for me, but I did own the previous iPhone killer Blackberry Storm, and it's a joke.
 
Fugly or what?

One very important point, - most Europeans don't like ugly phones that look like the pre. (anecdotal evidence).

To me, it 'looks' dated.

And slide out keyboards? How yesterday - or last Century!
 
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Hmac said:
LOL. Another iPhone killer. And like so many other bugs that ultimately have splattered on Apple's windshield, this one is killing the iPhone based rumors alone.

I can't use AT&T, so no iPhone for me, but I did own the previous iPhone killer Blackberry Storm, and it's a joke.
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The first time I held the Storm I actually laughed out loud for real. I could not believe it was a RIM product.
 
JPIndustrie said:
Even if the phone weren't a success, no one's dumb enough at Apple or AT&T to not notice the recent strides Sprint is pushing recently, let alone the sheer amount of press the Pre has already achieved. If I were Apple, I wouldn't dismiss this as just another 'Storm'. ;)
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Agreed; it looks much better than the storm, and I think it will be a very good phone. It just reminds me of GM's new ad campaign trying to show how their cars actually compare pretty favorably to Hondas, Toyotas, etc. It may be true, but it also be too late to matter.
 
JPIndustrie said:
You never watched cheesy kids sports movies as a child, huh? Never doubt the underdog. Especially in technology.
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Rumors say the Pre will also have a Slingplayer at or just after launch. Any bets on whether or not Sprint would pull an ATT and prohibit it over 3G?

nazuk said:
To me, it 'looks' dated.
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Interestingly, the Pre seems to follow the hot concept phones from last year's Japanese shows... where stone shapes where the thing.

And slide out keyboards? How yesterday - or last Century!
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In the USA, keyboard phones are just hitting the majority of sales.
 
As an iPhone user I want to Pre to succeed. So much so I hope AT&T is forced to change it's habits for fear of loosing customers. I love the iPhone but think AT&T needs fired.
 
- No video recording on the Pre
- No tethering
- Only limited to 8 gb
- Can't talk and browse at the same time
 
Just like with cars or probably anything, it's all about preferences, I can prefer a product but also like some others. I'm currently using an iPhone 3g, never owned a 2g only cause it wasn't sold officially here in Italy. I'm quite positive I'll be getting the new one this summer and give mine to someone in my family. I haven't heard "official" rumors about the new iPhone's processor/graphics etc, but I have to say I'd really like for it to have Pre's OMAP and RAM, doubt it could be better than that. Since Apple's always been about fluidity/multitasking etc, I don't see why this case should be any different, especially since some new phones this year are catching up. Apart from that the Pre wouldn't be for me probably cause of the differences in being so compatible with my Mac, iPod function included, the 3.5" screen, I wouldn't want extra bulk in my cellphone, since it's a touchscreen device I don't think I should use the screen for pointing at things only, if the new iPhone has 802.11n that's a huge plus in my book, I don't see other cellphones having that, talking about announced ones as well.
 
Goona said:
- No video recording on the Pre
- No tethering
- Only limited to 8 gb
- Can't talk and browse at the same time
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Two, maybe three, can be addressed by software updates, and all four will very, very likely be addressed by the next hardware revision.
 
joeshell383 said:
Two, maybe three, can be addressed by software updates, and all four will very, very likely be addressed by the next hardware revision.
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If you want to fight the iPhone I think you'd want to keep the hardware as is for at least 6 months, it would be too cost effective to make another one in less than that, and there has to be something seriously wrong with the first one, and for the people to give a damn about your product they need to get to know it, less than 6 months is not much. And if that's what happens in more than 6 months you better compare it to the next iPhone, not the 2009 revision.
 
To be honest, the Pre has grown on me. In a lot of ways, I'm jealous of this device. It looks like it has great guts and software, even though I doubt this device is going to be successful because of how Sprint and Palm are advertising it. The only major things I don't like about this device are it's small physical keyboard and lack of a software keyboard, small 3.1" screen, chunky body, lack of iTunes support, lack of visual voicemail, 8GB of storage (I have 8 on my iPhone 3G, but I need more), it's somewhat cluttered interface (at least compared to the iPhone), Sprint service, and I have a few minor issues with the interface (I hate drop-down menus and I would prefer a list view in bookmarks, memos, and for open apps instead of cards and boxes). But everything else I've seen from this device is gold (though I haven't actuall used it). If 3.0 didn't include copy, cut, paste, select, and undo, MMS, spotlight, and landscape in mail and messages, I would dump my iPhone and move to Sprint and get a Pre. But that's why I love my iPhone. I don't have x feature now, but I know I'll get it sooner or later and when I do get it, it'll be the best out there (like with Copy/Paste).

Written on my iPhone. The frusterating device that I love to pieces.
 
brent0saurus said:
True, this is why i tried not to compare hardware like camera, storage capacity or processor speed.
But you're right, apple could totally throw something at us that is totally new and awesome considering the 3g is a year old. But as far as software goes, we pretty much know what it's going to have since we've seen 3.0
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Yet again, it is not about SPECS. It is about the software. One of the greatest assets of the iPhone is its ecosystem (appstore and devs building great games and apps for the platform). 99% of the posters in this thread seem to be missing the point.

Come back to me when EA, Id, ngmoco + thousands of indie developers start making apps for the pre.

The fact is my friend, the sdk + appstore has left the competition in the dust. All these features (hardware or not) you have been listing means absolutely nothing. It is also why Apple has been focusing on attracting more and more devs to develop for the iPhone. Because they know, this is what matters.
 
What Palm understood was it needed to build an OS from scratch, this puts it in Apple/Google situation where you have an OS built for the hardware you are selling, not an adapted one. In the mean time from what I understand Symbian released a couple of devices with its new OS designed for a touch screen, but it's not really a new OS.. same would go for WM where it's all more chaotic, maybe 6.5 will be completely different but I doubt it..
Either way, Palm's not the only one with good hardware and multitasking like it's making you believe.
Looks to me like Android has some sort of multitasking but its hardware is a bit behind, there will be more devices this year though.
Symbian has a 3.7", I believe, AMOLED capacitive touch screen Samsung, with multitasking and Pre-like processing power, and it has multitasking.
 
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